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Offline Bearded Blunder

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Choosing Connection Type (Primary v Secondary)
« on: July 11, 2006, 08:26:21 am »
Contrary to the advice given on other sites, & the impression given during setup if you only scan the dialogue.  Just because you're able to make a Primary connection, it doesn't mean you must, or even in some circumstances should.

While the network does need a certain proportion of Primary users to work properly, it actually works less well if everyone runs primary.

Firstly I would encourage anyone who can to set up & run primary long enough to prove they have their port setup correct & working, I thought I'd list some valid reasons why you might run Secondary thereafter.  Secondary users are NOT leeches, they help support the network & community by sharing files & using chat.  It's worth noting that you can download FASTER from secondaries as they don't use bandwidth supporting searches etc., being a secondary isn't a bad thing. 

Therefore, I thought I would take this chance to post valid reasons for choosing to run secondary on a day to day basis:

1) You keep WinMX on only for short periods & restart it or your computer often
          in this situation, your searches will be less effective, & the shutdowns & resets disconnect any secondaries you happen to be hosting, which is disruptive to those users.

2) You find you have to reduce "Search Thread Duty Cycle" in settings from the default, for decent PC performance on primary
          running a reduced primary reduces network efficiency & does no favours either to you, the secondaries you host, & for any searches you process, if you need a primary to host, fair enough, though in that situation it would be worth considering a third party chatserver.

3) Your ISP imposes restrictive bandwidth limits
          Australians in particular need note here, as the biggest ISP imposes a 10GB / month limit on the normal dsl account and reduces your speed dramatically after it has been reached, running primary will use this limit by itself (without searches or downloads) in a matter of days (around a week) and you'll find yourself with a connection that sucks generally the rest of the month..  This can apply anywhere, depending on ISP.

4)  Heavy CPU usage and/or slow PC (also network intensive software use e.g. online games)
          Primaries process searches at idle priority, using "spare" CPU cycles, if your PC is heavily loaded, or slow (or both), there won't be many for it to use, keep an eye on your spm= value over a period of time, if it's routinely much less than a 5 digit number, consider switching as it is processing searches very inefficiently.

5) "Slow" broadband (yes cable/dsl packages under 512K exist) and / or traffic shaping ISP
           in this situation you have (or are alllowed) only limited resources, don't waste them trying to support a Primary connection badly, run secondary & enjoy the increased upload & download speeds.

6)  You connect using a modified hosts file (typically Pie patch)
          in this situation, even using PeerGuardian & the winmxworld blocklist you will be hosting flooders at times, owing to the long update interval, in this situation you should either upgrade to using the winmxgroup patch available HERE or download & run THIS FILE to change patch, or run as a Secondary connection AT ALL TIMES

I hope this enables you to make an informed & rational choice of connection, the above reflects my current  understanding, I'm sure if it contains errors those who know more will point them out, in which case I shall be happy to edit this post to correct them.

Happy WinMXing

*Minor edit to include extra important information   BB
*edit direct link to patch revised to point to winmxgroup homepage   BB
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Re: Choosing Connection Type (Primary v Secondary)
« Reply #1 on: July 11, 2006, 08:50:21 am »
*Minor edit to include extra important information   BB

so is it minor, or important? :-)

as well as that long list, there are also search routing issues with too many primaries as searches have a fixed "horizon" (they will only go so far) so having more primaries makes the network more spread out so that search horizon actually covers the same number of primaries, but a lower number of total users (as each primary has less users on it)... however I'm not sure the exact effects that has because the only real way to tell would be by comparisons on a real WPN with hundreds of thousands of users all primary, and another WPN with the same number of users with mostly secondary and just the required number of primaries... i don't happen to have 2 spare WPNs laying around atm unfortunately

i think the most obvious difference is of course the uploads, all of those users who are running primary that don't need to, if each of them switched to secondary that would be at least 7k/s more bandwidth being used for file transfers from each of them, making files download faster, reducing queues, etc

Offline Bearded Blunder

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Re: Choosing Connection Type (Primary v Secondary)
« Reply #2 on: July 11, 2006, 08:55:37 am »
The edit is minor, there wasn't much change, the information was important, therefore the statement stands.
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Re: Choosing Connection Type (Primary v Secondary)
« Reply #3 on: September 17, 2006, 01:43:00 pm »
My thanks to all of you who responded to my primary versus secondary question.  Especially bearded blunder, I found that information very useful.  Again, thanks.

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Now I can move on to my next question!

Joseph Carrel

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Re: Choosing Connection Type (Primary v Secondary)
« Reply #4 on: August 21, 2007, 09:41:16 pm »
i am having problems with my tcp ports

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Re: Choosing Connection Type (Primary v Secondary)
« Reply #5 on: August 21, 2007, 11:39:10 pm »
please expand upon your post joseph in order for someone to help you
      

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how do i open ports on a siemens se567 router?
« Reply #6 on: March 29, 2008, 03:07:51 am »
how do i open ports on a siemens router?

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Re: Choosing Connection Type (Primary v Secondary)
« Reply #7 on: March 29, 2008, 03:15:08 am »
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seems you chose the final option like most people..
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Re: Choosing Connection Type (Primary v Secondary)
« Reply #8 on: March 29, 2008, 03:39:40 am »
before anyone gets too vexed with me Amy is one of my regs & took it in good part as indeed i knew she would..
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