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Title: Important WPN attack information
Post by: silicon_toad2000 on June 04, 2011, 04:38:34 pm
All,

I have recently been made aware that the targeting of the attack on the winmx community has changed.

background here (http://www.winmxworld.com/tutorials/wpn_attack_information_.html)

More recently the attacks have been targetted to trick parts of the winmx network into believing certain IPs have requested a room listing. As such these parts of the winmx network respond to these spoofed IPs.

At the time of writing, the attacks on the winmx community are directing these responses at various parts of the US Department of Defence.

The parts of the network most affected seem to be chat room servers, which are responding to spoofed channel list requests.

What are you to do about it?
There are a few options open, in no particular order.
-switch your room to the opennap network.
-leave your room in offline mode
   These options will stop the spoofed packets from reaching you through the network.

-run peerblock with http://www.winmxworld.com/files/pblist.txt
   This can be updated if the attacker alters the attack target.
   As always we do not reccommend the use of the default lists.
       Using peerblock this way will stop outgoing traffic to the addresses on the list.
Title: Re: Important WPN attack information
Post by: GhostShip on June 04, 2011, 06:35:30 pm
Sensible advice Silicon  8)

I would also urge all primary users hosting a room or not to use the same blocking method as a temporary security measure.
Title: Re: Important WPN attack information
Post by: White Stripes on June 04, 2011, 06:43:48 pm
request;

they (the dod) hold the 6.0.0.0/8 range as well... pls to add this... better to be safe than... uh... investigated....
Title: Re: Important WPN attack information
Post by: nylly444 on June 04, 2011, 07:56:28 pm
Actually there are more ranges they hold or that can be associated with them.
Honestly there's no telling which range will be afected next though.
The reason we made it into a list at all is that we can update if and when it's needed.
Be sure that atm we're closely monitoring things, so if they move on to a different range we will add it and let you know about it.
I think it's sensible to only block the ranges we see affected though for the moment.
Title: Re: Important WPN attack information
Post by: silicon_toad2000 on June 04, 2011, 11:32:55 pm
Further to this of course is to block the ranges yourself through your own router/firewall solution.
Please ensure to keep abreast of any developments and monitor your outgoing traffic for changes if possible.

At the time of writing I can still see traffic trying to get out to the 7.x.x.x range from one of my machines which I have chosen to block at the firewall on my router.
Title: Re: Important WPN attack information
Post by: White Stripes on June 05, 2011, 07:03:43 pm
this range should be in patch blocklist too ive got -no- chatserver installed and mx is still making requests to this range....

that is if the patch can hold that large of a range....
Title: Re: Important WPN attack information
Post by: GhostShip on June 05, 2011, 08:39:35 pm
I did profer that same advice some posts ago, however its always good to see others independently reaching the same conclusions and delivering the right advice.

Any Primary or chat server host need to block that IP range at their own location using the software suggested above, in our democratic ways of thinking we never envisaged anyone would want to censor the whole of winmx via the chat room listing and so that has never been filtered in the patch, its a shame that those who started this nonsense are simply forcing more responsibilities on those who deliver the patches and thus weakening the communitys freedom.

I shall be thankful when all these abusers are not able to drive away the thousands of users they already have done, in the last 2 months we have seen at least 30% of the chats disappear I think that and the lower user count confirms the true motives of these cowards.

Title: Re: Important WPN attack information
Post by: White Stripes on June 05, 2011, 10:22:33 pm
/me wonders what in the world gs is talking about....


i ment adding it (the 7 range) to this; http://www.winmxworld.com/block/cache_list.txt so it gets spread to the patch users.....
Title: Re: Important WPN attack information
Post by: silicon_toad2000 on June 05, 2011, 10:37:06 pm
My understanding is the patch does not filter this kind of outgoing traffic.
The range was added to the blocklist to see if it would have any effect and it did not so we removed it.
Title: Re: Important WPN attack information
Post by: White Stripes on June 05, 2011, 11:08:41 pm
ahh ok... thought the patch had a 'peerblock' like effect of its own... didnt know... thx for clearing that up...
Title: Re: Important WPN attack information
Post by: Bundoker on June 06, 2011, 05:46:19 am
Anything new about  hackers hosing basic Beta 4 winmx searches like they did in May?   

Between then and now someone posted we should switch to using chat rooms ... which now are under attack.
Looks like the beasties are smart enough to read winmx world postings. 
Maybe we should converse in Visayan or tagalog but saw a post in Yahoo from someone in the Phiippines wondering waz happenin,
I'm so stupid last May I swithced tthe 53 version and when the zillions of hits went away I thought it was a Beta thing ,,, wrong ... 't was timing.

Anything we can do to help?   
Title: Re: Important WPN attack information
Post by: allenx1966 on June 10, 2011, 03:28:15 am
I hope limewire isn't a dirty word anymore. I used to hate it, but since winmx is down, and the new limewire pirate 5.6 is running,I like it ,I got no choice.
   Actually, there is something I am really diggin on limewire, it actually works better WITHOUT a static IP. It sure is burning up the peerblocker though, be sure to use it. This is my second post about this,just trying to spread the word. I am no PC expert, I just know successfully running winmx right now is impossible for me. I tried limewire a few weeks ago, and it was horrible. I messed with it tonight, fired up peerblock and released my static ip and BAM success. I am not in the "CLIC" here, and I hope I am not stepping on toes or making anyone mad. Just trying to help out.
   Be sure to let me know if I need to shut up about this.
Title: Re: Important WPN attack information
Post by: bu44er on June 10, 2011, 07:08:51 am
We have people working very hard, to resolve the current issue. We can not say at this moment how long it will be, before everything goes back to normal. We can say that eventually things will go back to normal.

I understand that for loads of users, this is frustrating. Please rest assured that as soon as something is developed, we will post information on it here.
Title: Re: Important WPN attack information
Post by: silicon_toad2000 on June 10, 2011, 08:10:33 am
My understanding is the specific attacks outlined above have stopped.
Title: Re: Important WPN attack information
Post by: dabud on June 12, 2011, 01:27:38 pm
OS - openSUSE 11.3  64 bit kde 4.4   WinMX 3.54b with Eagle patch   Primary connection  thru Wine 1.2   WCS185b3 or EServ 0.28   Asus RT16N using modified software DSL PPPOE connection  Firewalled with router and OS firewall.
 
I have successfully run a Winmx room for a number of years, without any major problems. My ISP is not an issue, they don't engage in throttling like other bigger ISP's.

I am having a lot of trouble connecting and staying connected to the peercaches.  Users are dropped from my room.  Also, I cannot stay in other rooms for long periods, eventually I get dumped.  Whether I use EServ or WCS doesn't seem to matter, they both  crash and disconnect me at times.  When I restart them, it takes forever to get connected.   Also, Winmx crashes at times.
It has become such an issue that many users are not coming back.  I have been collecting email addies so that when a solution is found I can hopefully encourage them to return.

Is there anyway I can use the peer blocking program with the linux system.  Or is there any other help you could suggest?
Thank You

Title: Re: Important WPN attack information
Post by: silicon_toad2000 on June 12, 2011, 02:07:46 pm
Do you have the latest wcs? I know after the attacks started, Merlin released an updated WCS to handle one of the attack types.

Also if you monitor outgoing traffic you might spot the spoofed responses and you could block the range:port combination in iptables or firewall to take the load off your router.
Title: Re: Important WPN attack information
Post by: dabud on June 13, 2011, 02:38:40 am
@ silicon_toad
ty for replying

I am upgrading to latest WCS now

I will try the firewall and blocking info as soon as I get info on how to do it.
Title: Re: Important WPN attack information
Post by: silicon_toad2000 on June 13, 2011, 04:43:08 am
sorry i cant be of more help there, that's too far out of my area to offer any useful advice
Title: Re: Important WPN attack information
Post by: dabud on June 14, 2011, 01:44:49 am
@silicon_toad

I switched to the new WCS 1.8.3.1 and now it crashes with an error    Segmentation fault
Any idea what I can do to correct it?
Title: Re: Important WPN attack information
Post by: auhgra on July 01, 2011, 09:31:11 pm
 :/  OK, something fishy is going on.  Seems, maybe, WINMX was hijacked?  It doesn't matter what I type in the search field, band name, song name, disc name, etc., a whole lotta crap comes up except what I am looking for. Most of it isn't even legible.  Anyone know what is going on?  I have the v3.54 beta 4 patch. 

auhgra
Title: Re: Important WPN attack information
Post by: GhostShip on July 01, 2011, 09:47:43 pm
A quick browse over the forum will likely show many posts similar to your own Auhgra

Here are some areas for you to obtain information and some general background history to the problems and our hopes for a solution.

http://winmxworld.com/tutorials/wpn_attack_information_.html

http://forum.winmxworld.com/index.php/topic,10932.0.html
Title: Re: Important WPN attack information
Post by: synesthetize on July 03, 2011, 02:15:15 pm
I recently noticed my primary connection level rarely surpass the "3" value. This doesn't happen during the sporadic attack recesses when it's around the "8" or "9" level as normal.
Title: Re: Important WPN attack information
Post by: GhostShip on July 03, 2011, 02:24:36 pm
This is mainly due to the primary network being ridden to straining point with duff traffic, if you take a look at your bandwidth graph much of that traffic can be seen and its also helpful to switch on your incoming and outgoing bandwidth limits in settings to help cap such traffic to a reasonable level, its not perfect but it does aid those holding on by their finger nails against the cowards attacking the network.
Title: Re: Important WPN attack information
Post by: Ralphw62 on July 09, 2011, 04:25:21 pm
THIS WORKS.........DO YOUR SEARCH WITH THE CAPS LOCK ON........ TRY IT
Title: Re: Important WPN attack information
Post by: DaBees-Knees on July 09, 2011, 04:46:08 pm
Ralph,
           I think you will find that the attacks have stopped and that's why it works. It's nothing to do with using caps.
Title: Re: Important WPN attack information
Post by: achilles on July 09, 2011, 06:07:44 pm
I just tried a search using "axxo" to see how many results I would get.  I only got 93 results. Before the attacks started I would always get around 3000 or more.  It looks like hardly anyone is left on the network now.
Title: Re: Important WPN attack information
Post by: DaBees-Knees on July 09, 2011, 09:26:34 pm
I suggest you try again. People are coming back. You won't instantly get the results that you did before the attack and it will take a while for them to slowly improve.
Title: Re: Important WPN attack information
Post by: White Stripes on July 10, 2011, 12:27:00 am
id like to know why the attacks stopped....  .....smells fishy to me....
Title: Re: Important WPN attack information
Post by: Wizzzzard on July 14, 2011, 05:18:31 am
I'm getting spammed search results also, Its like I have requested a search of every file on wimx, I'm also get a short chat room list of about 100 and can't find any of the rooms I usually idle in.

I have updated to the new united v1.0 patch and added the pdlist.txt to peerblock but that hasn't changed anything.

I have been having problems for quite a few months now and have not been using Winmx because of this, I hope this gets fixed soon. :(
Title: Re: Important WPN attack information
Post by: DaBees-Knees on July 14, 2011, 06:06:41 am
WinMx is under attack and the attack is causing the problems that you have seen. It is the intention of the individuals concerned to try and kill off WinMxWorld. So far they have been unable to do this. A work around is available for the room list. Go to http://tinyurl.com/winmx to get a full room list. To search for files enter rooms and then browse users in the room to find files that you like.

These are temporary measures until a cure can be found that counters the attacks
Title: Re: Important WPN attack information
Post by: DaBees-Knees on July 16, 2011, 07:30:49 pm
It seems that the attacker has decided that he wasn't really acahieving anything and has shown common sense and stopped the attacks.

We at WinMxWorld would like to thank all users for showing patience and understanding.
Title: Re: Important WPN attack information
Post by: White Stripes on July 17, 2011, 07:24:42 pm
"popular searches in the last hour"
1. c: (10,273) 
...

Quote
It seems that the attacker has decided that he wasn't really acahieving anything and has shown common sense and stopped the attacks.

We at WinMxWorld would like to thank all users for showing patience and understanding.

"Train him for the games, let him hope for a while, then blow him away." -- Master Control Program (Tron)

...i think they fooled you there 'knees... best not to announce things premature....
Title: Re: Important WPN attack information
Post by: Baba_Booey on July 17, 2011, 09:56:01 pm
My searches are still messed up.  =(
Title: Re: Important WPN attack information
Post by: DaBees-Knees on July 18, 2011, 12:38:32 am
Sorry, I should have known stupidity knows no bounds.
Title: Re: Important WPN attack information
Post by: Baba_Booey on July 21, 2011, 03:26:56 am
Much better tonight!
Title: Re: Important WPN attack information
Post by: synesthetize on July 27, 2011, 04:16:31 am
‎7,000,000 files as for today at OpenNap's OpenWorld network. Maybe more users have migrated to the OpenNap recently. This could explain the lack of search results in the WPNP you are picking up.
Title: Re: Important WPN attack information
Post by: White Stripes on July 27, 2011, 04:51:16 am
...should see the amount on the 'napster friends' network...
Title: Re: Important WPN attack information
Post by: synesthetize on July 27, 2011, 05:32:19 am
1,872,608 right now. Far much less.
Title: Re: Important WPN attack information
Post by: White Stripes on July 27, 2011, 05:38:13 am
it limits the amount of files users can have (listed in the server anyway... if your client and the client of the person you are browsing support direct browse you can get to the rest) ....

compared to times past tho its busting at the seams.... as are most of the other public naps.... at least the ones on gotnap.... seems the 'popularity' (or rather lack thereof?) of the wpn has given the naps a middle-aged spread :P
Title: Re: Important WPN attack information
Post by: GhostShip on July 27, 2011, 09:18:50 am
I'm rather pleased users are taking our advice and taking steps to ensure a few criminals cannot destroy their p2p experience, the less folks using the WPN the faster the criminals will be caught, and like the cowards they are they wont like it one bit  :-D

I have to say KM and NB really have shamed themselves in this series of child like attacks, not only have they failed to acheive anything but they continue to fail day after day as folks find work-arounds to mitigate their stupidity, KM the wannabe winmx "expert" seems still not to understand what he did wrong and why his stupidity has been the cause of the WPN being nearly demolished despite his claims of everyone already knowing the dangerous information, are you comprehending it KM, has the drug fuelled stupor lifted and reality broken through yet ?

I know both of the 2 folks I have just mentioned are not regularly to be found on the network nowdays except to issue further threats of attack when you ask why any "expert" would not understand publishing information on the primary network was dangerous, I think the assumed "expert" title is more than a little puff and wind and light on the facts as usual when it comes to this malicious individual.

I would be very pleased to hear if either of these two individuals had actually gotten jobs and did some work instead of acting as cyber vandals perhaps then normal WPN users could have their network back from these two theives and their anarchistic but socially challenged cronies.

I love a good rant  :lol:
Title: Re: Important WPN attack information
Post by: DaBees-Knees on July 27, 2011, 01:31:05 pm
I think the fact that they no longer attempt to defend their actions speaks volumes. They are fully aware of how the majority of users view their activity. Being moronic means that they carry on when there's no longer any point. Anyone with a reasonable IQ would have long ago realised that there's nothing to be gained by continuing. If of course you have a twisted mind and enjoy spoiling other peoples enjoyment you can justify continuing the attack. Sad isn't it? 
Title: Re: Important WPN attack information
Post by: White Stripes on July 27, 2011, 03:39:12 pm
Quote
Sad isn't it?

unfortunately its called 'human nature' ...... put a group of ppl together... any group of ppl... and eventually the group separates into niches and eventually one niche wont like the view of another niche and arguments start.... it will happen every time....
Title: Re: Important WPN attack information
Post by: DaBees-Knees on July 27, 2011, 05:51:34 pm
Argument and debate is one thing. Intentionally setting about destroying the enjoyment of others is something else. Taking it to it's ultimate end has recently been illustrated in Norway.
Title: Re: Important WPN attack information
Post by: GhostShip on July 27, 2011, 07:01:26 pm
I'm sure we all remain stunned at the mindless slaughter recently in Norway, no words can ever encompass the sheer misery and despair caused by such random acts, nor can we ever hope to understand just why one individual left all respect for human life behind and went on a run of carnage.

May the murdered children rest in peace, and their relatives who are left behind to pick up shattered lives and lost futures find comfort in cherished memories and those left around them in this time of sorrow  :(
Title: Re: Important WPN attack information
Post by: White Stripes on July 28, 2011, 01:01:25 am
Argument and debate is one thing. Intentionally setting about destroying the enjoyment of others is something else. Taking it to it's ultimate end has recently been illustrated in Norway.

unfortunatly ... taking it to its ultimate end is part of 'human nature' .... thats when debate/conversation stops and the person 'snaps' ....

@GS -- i hate to say this but while the taking of that many lives in norway is horrid... ...such senseless lifetaking is so common in the states (school shootings ... gang shootings ... random shootings) that it passed by as yet another 'shooting event' in the news.... ....what caught my attention was when they said 'norway' .... i thought 'wait... where?! thats not normal...' .... had they said 'texas' or 'los angeles' it would have just been another day....

for those of you living in countries that have... for the most part... 'grown up' ... do enjoy it... you dont know just how good you've got it.... (hello canada.... hello most of europe...)
Title: Re: Important WPN attack information
Post by: Darren on July 29, 2011, 05:53:48 pm
I Just Find It Sad That People Can No Longer Enjoy A Network Where Even Tho It Is Under Attack There Is Still The Peace And Love Of what i have heard It was Before but it's a damn shame that i can't even open a room without getting DDOS offline or having my modem Reboot it self from the volume of traffic going through it i mean it like installing a lag switch on my network that's how much having winmx open or having a chat server open slows down my home network but anyway i just wish these people OR person who is attacking the network stops cause it's getting highly annoying and frustrating 
Title: Re: Important WPN attack information
Post by: reef on July 29, 2011, 06:41:20 pm
Darren you could run your room in offline mode and enter your roomname manually to the site below

http://winmxunlimited.net/tools/chat-room-list/ (http://winmxunlimited.net/tools/chat-room-list/)

It will have a good chance of showing in the list and i dont think you'll notice any slow downs operating it that way.
Title: Re: Important WPN attack information
Post by: achilles on July 29, 2011, 07:29:50 pm
From the amount of flooding i'm seeing they could very well be working with the cartel. It is untelling who all they have given the flawed protocols to by now. These people are worse than the cartel. At least the cartels gives you their reasons for attacking users. Not these low lifes! I would love to have a chance to meet up with these people when they were not behind a keyboard. Their all a bunch cowards!
Title: Re: Important WPN attack information
Post by: Bluey_412 on July 30, 2011, 12:14:38 am
Darren, what room server program do you use?

Some are less susceptible to the attack patterns than others...
Title: Re: Important WPN attack information
Post by: Bieb on July 30, 2011, 01:47:14 am
Bluey is correct. WCS and all of its children made using the WCS code base are more susceptible to these attacks. The reason is, WCS does not keep track of which requests it has already sent its room information to. So based on the fact that it keeps 6 primary connections, it is sending 6x as much traffic as using WinMX or a chat server that does keep track will as it is receiving that room list request up to 6 times and dealing with it that many times.
Title: Re: Important WPN attack information
Post by: AmishCake on August 06, 2011, 01:00:23 pm
Hello, long-time user here and just wanted to ask if the search results are still being flooded with bad files. I uninstalled WinMX when I read about the attacks here. Let me know if you need more information.
Title: Re: Important WPN attack information
Post by: White Stripes on August 06, 2011, 02:07:37 pm
Hello, long-time user here and just wanted to ask if the search results are still being flooded with bad files. I uninstalled WinMX when I read about the attacks here. Let me know if you need more information.
(emphasis mine)

as of the date of this post... yes....
Title: Re: Important WPN attack information
Post by: Bluey_412 on August 06, 2011, 04:46:57 pm
Incorrect

The flooding is NOT bad files, just a list of all files indexed by a primary or primaries near you

All the files listed are real, downloadable files

The flooding is still going on tho, (its just certain information packets that are being flooded) but there are periodic halts where normal search and channel listings are available
Title: Re: Important WPN attack information
Post by: White Stripes on August 07, 2011, 05:04:42 am
Incorrect

The flooding is NOT bad files, just a list of all files indexed by a primary or primaries near you

All the files listed are real, downloadable files

The flooding is still going on tho, (its just certain information packets that are being flooded) but there are periodic halts where normal search and channel listings are available

technically correct but it gets old repeating it over and over...
Title: Re: Important WPN attack information
Post by: Darren on August 10, 2011, 05:46:20 pm
i don't know if this is the write place to post this or not but as a user of the network hearing about the new patch and what not is kinda getting old for me i'm sick of hear talk about i was wondering there is anyway possible for me or the public to see results cause i have run across people who nothing is happening and blah blah blah and then there are some that say it's being worked on i would just like some answers to as of now where we stand
Title: Re: Important WPN attack information
Post by: silicon_toad2000 on August 10, 2011, 10:27:34 pm
It's one of those questions Darren, people can code this thing day and night for ages, unless it works its nada.

I'm not sure what's getting old... hearing about a bunch of people who give up their own free time to do something for the network kinda makes me glad every time I hear it.

As of where we stand now, theres a group of people giving up their free time trying to do something for the wider winmx community to counter the actions of a <insert your own adjective here> few.
As of now, the code they have developed doesn't do what they need it to do.
Title: Re: Important WPN attack information
Post by: CrayonWarrior on August 13, 2011, 06:41:44 am
Dear Persons,

I know this is a difficult problem, and that you are all working very hard to resolve it, however you need to release something, at least a partial patch, soon, or there aren't going to be any users left to send the patch out to.

I know that you are all aware of the generalized search problem, and the problems with the chat rooms as well, but are you also aware that the search problem is now extending itself into user share directory browses as well? At this time, it does not appear that the problem with individual share directory browses is affected by the character scrambling jibberish displayed in the general searches, it is not affecting the character sets, at least not yet. What it is doing is completely blocking a share directory display, comming back with no items in the share list. This is an intermittant problem at this time, sometimes the share works, and sometimes it doesn't.

In addition to the searching problems, another problem seems to be creeping up as well. I and many others users I share with have noticed, that, if by some off chance you can locate a file you are looking for, and are actually sucessful in locating the person as well, once you are in their que, or them in yours, there is a very high incidence of the link not being sucessful, I would say in excess of 60% of the time, the transfers are cancelled for one reason or another.

This problem is getting entirely out of hand at this time, the problems with the network are propogating through many areas of the system, like a cancer progressing through a host.

Please release at least a partial fix, even one that is not entirely effectiove but somewhat effective, would be better than attempting to release the final solution at one time, which is causing severe delays in the users getting any releif at all.

Whoever or whatever is launching this attack upon the WinMX Community is obviously no novice, they KNOW what they are doing, and they are very good at it. This may be a very long term problem for us here, one, that I think will require an ongoing effort, in stages, for a considerable amount of time to come. Please listen to my request seriously, Please release sometihng NOW, even if only a partial fix, before there is no network or users left at all !!!
Title: Re: Important WPN attack information
Post by: silicon_toad2000 on August 13, 2011, 09:12:55 am
Hi Crayon Warrior.

I realise the environment in winmx is frustrating. I think it's safe to say everyone is fed up and frustrated with this nonsense. We're all in the same boat.
I hear what you're saying and I know those working at it are well aware of the timescale and the effects of the passage of time. However if the solution does not do what they need it to do, there isn't any point releasing it.
I would suggest the additional things you mention is a function of the bandwidth and additional traffic being caused by the attacks. The browse listings and even some of the uploads just cant get through the number of packets going across the primary network.
I'm not sure what you mean about the problems with the network propogating through other parts of the system, you'll have too elaborate on that.
As you say, if this person/people attacking the network are no novice, clearly a partial fix would be no fix at all.

A lot of workarounds have been suggested on this forum in various places by many members of the community. They mostly include;
parking in a room, asking the room host to consider using shareguiard if they do not already, browsing users in the room or in your upload queue, take a look at opennap and try your file transfers there (theres a few tutorials here on using opennap and more on their way).
Title: Re: Important WPN attack information
Post by: ñòóKýçrÕôK on August 13, 2011, 11:08:34 am
Please release at least a partial fix, even one that is not entirely effectiove but somewhat effective, would be better than attempting to release the final solution at one time, which is causing severe delays in the users getting any releif at all.

Whoever or whatever is launching this attack upon the WinMX Community is obviously no novice, they KNOW what they are doing, and they are very good at it. This may be a very long term problem for us here, one, that I think will require an ongoing effort, in stages, for a considerable amount of time to come. Please listen to my request seriously, Please release sometihng NOW, even if only a partial fix, before there is no network or users left at all !!!
Hi Crayon how are you? Please believe that everyone who is anyone that manages this site and WinMX itself has nothing but the best of intentions for you and other users like you with the problems that you all are facing on the network at the moment. I worked with them for a long time until personal issues took up so much of my life I had to leave this behind. I'd like to address the issue of a "partial patch" for you. The fact that you can continue to connect to WinMX itself is due to a partial patch that is directed at fixing a particular issue with WinMX connectivity. That area of WinMX is not what is now under attack or incompacitated. Nearest I can gather from what little I've read say that a completely different area of WinMX is now under attack and that area is out of the reach of the current patch's scope. A new patch to stop what is currently going on would have to broaden the scope of what protocols are effected by the patch. To prematurely release any partial fix would perhaps require a seperate patch from the connection patch and would be more than irresponcible on anyones part to even attempt without a large range of testing and trial. It could even prove to be more volatile than what the attackers of the network are doing in that it could completely negate the connectivity patch. Please understand that from what I can gather is these folks are dealing with more than just riaa and mpaa network attacks now. Their problem atm is someone who knows WinMX very well. He is no expert as an expert would take into consideration that what they're doing is effecting more than just a handfull of people. An ego the size of Texas is the largest problem this network has now and ever had to face. The current attackers are well versed in WinMX and it's workings and have only intentions to disrupt and for them causing hundreds and thousands of people issues just to see the group of people who try to keep things going is of no worry for them. "So what if others have issue, as long as it gets us who we're after." Your frustrations and the frustrations of others have been and will continue to be duely noted. Please continue to exercise patience and hopefully they will get this and other continuing issues fixed for you and everyone else on the network.
Title: Re: Important WPN attack information
Post by: Lagerlout666 on August 13, 2011, 02:21:16 pm
And why you wait, everyone can use open-nap. Its why we set a server up for you. To tie you over. Their is also a help room on their. That you can park and meet your mates if you want. If your a host and want to migrate your room, ill even set a space up just for you on their. Its being worked on, and all efforts are in place to cover you while you wait. Theirs nothing else really that can be done till the patch is ready.
Title: Re: Important WPN attack information
Post by: moses on August 14, 2011, 01:06:06 am
You've all been had, and especially my old mucker Quartz from 2sen.

Can I have a toast to the downfall of WinMx once and for all. Happy days.
Title: Re: Important WPN attack information
Post by: Bluey_412 on August 14, 2011, 01:13:39 am
No
Title: Re: Important WPN attack information
Post by: silicon_toad2000 on August 14, 2011, 03:29:39 am
personally i don't tend to need an excuse to drink, but if you feel the need to validate your own drinking with various percieved events then I'm sure there's many you can choose from.
Your perception of winmx being dead may be correct if your perception of winmx is merely a bit of software.
Winmx is no longer being developed by its creator.
Like most people my perception of winmx extends beyond a bit of code, winmx is the community.
The community, while smaller than it was or has ever been, is still very much alive and one of the most stubborn beings I have ever come across.

So if you want to toast, then you'll have to answer your own question regarding your perceptions.
Title: Re: Important WPN attack information
Post by: cuttingedge on August 14, 2011, 01:23:52 pm
 :lol: What most of the abusers and flooders dont realize is you cant stop this system. It will always be there! And as for the problems it incurs along the way only gives us things to do and problems to solve which is what us problem solvers enjoy. I have seen this network of people go from thousands to none, and back to thousands.
I see some getting frustrated! If ya cant figure out how to use it broken,check back next year. I assure you winMX will still be here. :bow:
Title: Re: Important WPN attack information
Post by: Oily Discharge on August 19, 2011, 07:25:37 pm
Hi Merv, Long time viewer, first time caller-- I just wanted to say that these attacks cannot stop those who really desire to share - there have been many such attacks on file sharing community due to greed, ego, or just stupidity over the last 20 years. Record companies couldn't stop us, ISP's couldn't stop us, and hackers won't succeed either.

Keep searching, keep your files online, and keep your powder dry!

Never lose faith because the digital domain is always here as long as that stands we can never fall!
Title: Re: Important WPN attack information
Post by: Big Eric on August 21, 2011, 09:34:26 pm
I've been using WinMx since 2005 - just months before it was "shut down". It's been a faithful program that I've enjoyed. I've been following this recent slate of troubles and have a few questions.

1. Is everyone sure this isn't an effort by the RIAA? Seems to me, if I was the RIAA and wanted WinMx shut down, I'd pay some pretty smart people to foul it up. Secondly, I'd pay people to keep it fouled up until it was hardly used any longer. It would take time to do, but they have the money to keep it fouled for some time.

2. Instead of fixing a program that is at least 6 years old - what are the odds that it can be scrapped and a new program built? If we know what the problem is, can't a new program be written which corrects or improves upon the WinMx program to prevent this sort of attack? Maybe this is already being done?

3. I'm no rocket scientist - or computer expert. How is it that these attackers can make my program foul up? The program is on my computer. It's the same program that it always has been and so I'm curious as to how they are making it pull in all of these goofy results? Did they inject a virus into the system somehow? I probably don't understand how WinMx works well enough - but seems to me that whatever is supposed to filter your results is where the problem lay. I thought that function would have been on my computer?

I'm not flaming. I'm not angry. I'm just very curious. I'm also a laymen, so some of the stuff you guys are posting is over my head - which is alright. I'm glad you guys know more than I do. We'd be in trouble if it were left to me to figure out. Wish I could be of some help.
Title: Re: Important WPN attack information
Post by: silicon_toad2000 on August 21, 2011, 10:16:20 pm
Heyya Eric,

1. No, there's always a possibility those doing this have sold out to the riaa or similar organisation, or even that they are doing it directly. However from verything I've heard about whats going on, I think it's unlikely.

2. Yes, That's possible. A new program could be written. It all just comes down to volunteers time and skillsets. I know of a few members of the community who have been dabbling with a new client.

3. Winmx runs off information it receives from the net. These attacks are based on the attackers manufacturing bits of that information that look enough like what your winmx is expecting to see but also containing information which is not correct.
Title: Re: Important WPN attack information
Post by: LadyWinifred on August 21, 2011, 10:26:35 pm
I've been away for quite some time, not because of attacks but because I can't get WinMX to work through my router.

It would be nice to have a contact who can help me get WinMX working again.  Then I can try to figure out how to deal with attacks.

LW
Title: Re: Important WPN attack information
Post by: Bluey_412 on August 21, 2011, 10:34:16 pm
Lady Winifred, WinMX has a chat function, and that too, is being interfered with, but, having said that, there are ways to still use chat and enter chat rooms
There is a help room that can help you get your WinMX working as intended

WinMXWorld.com Help_BABA1354BABE
Title: Re: Important WPN attack information
Post by: cuttingedge on August 21, 2011, 11:19:06 pm
Lady, Your router can be programmed  to do anything you want to do with winMX. I would start by familiarizing yourself with the firmware your router uses. Learn how to open ports, and use a simple software firewall other than windows default.
Title: Re: Important WPN attack information
Post by: Bluey_412 on August 23, 2011, 11:11:09 am
Your router probably also has a built-in firewall that works better than ANY software firewall
Title: Re: Important WPN attack information
Post by: LadyWinifred on August 28, 2011, 09:02:37 pm
Let me start with my first problem and try to work my way back to functionality.

System information:  Running Windows 7 (64-bit), with a Cisco Linksys E3000.  Computer is hard-wired to router (EtherNet).

When I start WinMX, it tries to make a secondary connection and fails.  If I try to make a primary connection, I get this error message:

––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––
You cannot make a primary connection to the WinMX Peer Network for the following reasons:

   - Outgoing TCP connections use proxy server

For more information, plese see the online help files.
––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––––

In the settings window (Outgoing TCP Connections) it  has an IP address which looks like it is valid, and it has the Proxy Login Name of the router.

Under "Proxy Server" the 2nd box is checked (Use SOCKS4 proxy).

L.W.
Title: Re: Important WPN attack information
Post by: GhostShip on August 28, 2011, 11:12:30 pm
Some proxies rely on you using certain ports, check with the proxy provider and make sure your ports are set to those they advise.
Title: Re: Important WPN attack information
Post by: Bluey_412 on August 28, 2011, 11:53:55 pm

In the settings window (Outgoing TCP Connections) it  has an IP address which looks like it is valid, and it has the Proxy Login Name of the router.

Under "Proxy Server" the 2nd box is checked (Use SOCKS4 proxy).

L.W.

Lady Winifred, unless you WANT to use a proxy, then all i can suggest is to turn off the (Use Socks4 proxy) i.e., select 'Dont use a Proxy'

you may need to restart winmx

Then, open a command-prompt window and type in the IPCONFIG command and press Enter, you will see a few items listed, but in the Ethernet Adapter section, you should ideally see a line IPv4 address...................................192.168.1.2 and a line Default Gateway............................192.168.1.1 or other similar sets of numbers where only the last part is different (in this case, the last digits, 2 and 1) but as long as there is a set like 192.168.1.x

just doing this will likely sort the connection
Title: Re: Important WPN attack information
Post by: cuttingedge on August 29, 2011, 12:18:11 am
Yes what she said. You should be able to connect as a secondary connection using no proxy and you shouldnt have to mess with the router as a secondary cause it will connect to port 80. computer thinks its a simple web browser. but now you say your running windows 7 and I dont know what the security settings are like for that OS.
 I do know that with the router your running you should not have to mess with the settings to connect as secondary.
First says : Outgoing TCP Connections = Dont connect using Proxy (connect directly)
Second says : Incoming TCP Conections = Unable to accept incoming TCP connections
Third says : IN/OUT UDP Connections = Unable to send or receive UDP ........
And make sure winMx has permissions to run in windows 7.

CE
Title: Re: Important WPN attack information
Post by: Bluey_412 on August 29, 2011, 12:56:38 am
WinMX will run in Win7 without drama, it does here...

To run as a Primary is just as easy as other O/S's

Decide on port numbers, set a static IP for the PC, set up port forwarding in the router, switch to Primary, go...
Title: Re: Important WPN attack information
Post by: cuttingedge on August 29, 2011, 01:05:45 am
Thats a good thing to know Bluey. I figure it is easy to get the Lady running with out having to deal with port forwarding but I do believe folks should learn how to use their routers. Good thing to know about.

 :)
Title: Re: Important WPN attack information
Post by: CarDar Inc on November 05, 2011, 05:48:33 am
Hey everyone, 

I just read the news of what's happening with winMX.  I really think it's sad that a couple of losers have to try to destroy something so amazing that winMX is.... I was using this program for many, many years and have been very pleased with the way it runs.  I have given it to my friends and they enjoyed it as well...When winMX went down for the very first time I was upset because I didn't know of any other programs to use.  Someone pointed me to winMX world and I found the patches to keep it running properly on here!   I am so very thankful to you amazing programmers that are working hard to keep winMX alive.  I am and will always be a loyal user and as long as I'm using it you can guarantee my 100 friends online will be using it as well!  since these attacks been happening I have been using bit torrent, but I am always checking up on winMX because I have gotten many albums and movies I can't find anywhere else.... needless to say winMX got me from 100 files to over 50,000 files sharing into the community and that just mp3's alone!  If you are in need of donations to help fight this winMX terrorism please put up a donation box for us loyal users to help support the fight!  Best regards!  And please don't give up the fight .... there are many of us users eagerly awaiting your Victory in this battle!!!
Title: Re: Important WPN attack information
Post by: silicon_toad2000 on November 05, 2011, 06:45:29 am
I'm sure your thanks are very welcome. It's nice to hear the positives and meet members of the community who enjoy winmx. Noone's given up the fight besides a the users who have elected to leave the community, but they tend to keep checking up on us all to see how its going.

Winmxorld do this because we enjoy it. Philosophically we have never asked for donations and it would be a big change to start. The thought and the intent are well appreciated.
Title: Re: Important WPN attack information
Post by: otahu26 on November 11, 2011, 06:30:19 pm
 :) I've been using WINMX since it's inception. There was no Spyware, etc.  I think WinMX has the embodiment of what the interest was supposed to do. Allow people to remain in contact wither terrorist attacks, Sabotage or a world disaster may happen. It's provided the world with the greatest of all  Library's, wealth of culture's, an communication of idea's from  all.  I myself,  being a hermit due to social  phobia's. Have benefited from WINMX.
 Also Think of this as the new form of a Ham radio operator.  Sure the millions of "acquaintances" using Winmx at one time shared the great wealth, New artist got exposure  they other wise wouldn't have.
  So WinMX had a target on it's back. It was easy to attract attention of the global powers that be. This site undermined there control.  If Ham radio had been allowed to "file share" as we do now. What would have been the ability's of the everyday man during WWII.

Anyways. I will always Try to use Winmx. Wither it be a day, a month or a year from now.
Title: Re: Important WPN attack information
Post by: OnTopOfYourWife on December 06, 2011, 04:12:09 pm
It must be frustrating for moses and his friends business partners to finally realize that after six months spending all those resources to cause a minor nuisance that didn't affect most people in any serious way, they accomplished a total of nothing.

Nothing, zero, nilch, nada. 0.

WinMX is there and going strong like it always has, everyone is there and doing what they always did.

Poor guy, must have choked on that toast of his. Life is hard for all the "moses" types out there in the world. But I'm glad they exist, because otherwise life could be almost as boring, insipid and pointless as theirs. So thanks for the free entertainment. :lol:
Title: Re: Important WPN attack information
Post by: musiclover30 on December 10, 2011, 10:51:36 am
oy long time user and long time viewer first time caller i been usin win mx since 01 and since its rebirth in 05 the best p2p network with the most active users in the world just wanna pop in and say thanks for all the great years and hope for many more to come
Title: Re: Important WPN attack information
Post by: Bongowill on February 11, 2012, 12:07:05 pm
I haven't really felt these attacks in a significant way myself since I'm not a big user of the search window (all I need is right there on the people queued on my user list), and when I go to the Wikipedia entry for WinMX and I read something like

"WinMX has been under severe network attacks and almost all usable functionality of the network has been lost."

That almost makes me laugh, and I do hope someone contacts Wikipedia soon to have that ridiculously exaggerated statement corrected to something a little more accurate. Sure, people who rely more on the search window will no doubt feel a little more hindered, but that comes with the way you use WinMX and your experience using it. For me, it proved virtually irrelevant !
Title: Re: Important WPN attack information
Post by: harold on February 11, 2012, 12:26:33 pm
It doesn't really matter whether it's some sorry ass loser with no life who invests his full time on this from his parents basement, where he lives despite being well on his thirties and still a virgin, or if it's a dedicated and well paid group of wannabe hackers hired by the media industry cartel, of if it's a disgruntled, sanctimonious salaryman going a little more than out of his way in a personal crusade against what he perceives as "the enemy" or whatever...

The point to be made out of this, is that a network with the dimension and scope of WinMX shouldn't have obvious vulnerabilities sitting there to be so easily exploited. It's not about the attacker's motives and reasons, but about the holes being there for anyone who wants to attack WinMX.

The really important aspect to retain is that, thanks to these otherwise pointless and almost result-less attacks (for most savvy users anyway), soon WinMX will emerge stronger than ever, more secure than ever and more reliable than ever. :)