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Title: For the Restless - OurMX Support Group
Post by: GhostShip on January 12, 2016, 12:00:58 am
I am growing rather bored of having time wasted by the same folks who come to the forum under different names and generally succeed in wasting both time and stealing focus from the community client so .. to speed things up a tad and get the project back into a higher gear it requires more human resources, this folks is where you guys/gals step in and offer your services in the sphere of feature planning, beta testing/ feedback as well as anything else you can think of that brings benefit to the project,  as has been stated many times when the client is able to use an updated protocol set it can be made open src atm we have two versions in hand one secondary only that's a rework of some of the earlier work and a primary level client that's still incomplete but solid in many areas, developers are in such short supply I am like yourself growing weary of the wait however many hands make light work and I feel with more brains on the matter progress and new avenues can be accessed by creating a proper support group.

The group will need to consist of no more than around 8 folks to start with so folks can self allocate tasks after seeing whats required and also have the mindset to research potential solutions and champion those to fruit, lot of big words here but in short this project needs some help to revitalise it and gain traction to reach an eventual stable release.

I intend to hold meetings in a chat room to get real time activities proceeding and to get some decent quality discussion fermenting regarding the project (and not myself) and to swap ideas plans and share the workload between us once its clear what can reasonably achieved with the fellow network volunteers.

If you want to help build the group and take a part in moving the entire community ahead then please consider joining and taking an active part in this group, I believe we have the brains within our shrinking community to restore its fortunes but this will only occur if we accept that we too must help at times to keep the ship afloat,  -  drop me a line if you want to attend the first meeting of the group and lets move on as a group, focused towards delivery of the community client and any ancillary research or assistance undertaken to that end.

 I hope to hear from anyone interested within the next few days -  Thanks  8)

 

Title: Re: For the Restless - OurMX Support Group
Post by: GhostShip on January 18, 2016, 07:12:43 am
Thank you all for your patience, a small issue with the forum is holding up the creation of our private space here but we hope will be resolved soon and then we can all get plotting and planning as well as testing, once again my apologies for this unforseen annoyance and our thanks for your kind gift of time.
Title: Re: For the Restless - OurMX Support Group
Post by: White Stripes on January 18, 2016, 12:34:37 pm
i wondered what happened
Title: Re: For the Restless - OurMX Support Group
Post by: wonderer on January 19, 2016, 07:28:09 am
would it help to create a secret hidden group on facebook?
that gives the possibility to have a group chat.
this group only intended to discuss and or post code snippets as we will want to keep developing  software centralized on our forum.

Title: Re: For the Restless - OurMX Support Group
Post by: White Stripes on January 19, 2016, 12:08:56 pm
you cant hide anything on facebook
Title: Re: For the Restless - OurMX Support Group
Post by: GhostShip on January 19, 2016, 06:41:58 pm
I dont use facebook nor will I, I believe its nothing but a tool for various governments to abuse and snoop on folks with.

This is the same reason I dont use email. if any gov wants to spy on me let them work hard to do so  :-D
Title: Re: For the Restless - OurMX Support Group
Post by: GhostShip on January 19, 2016, 10:17:16 pm
Ok the group is now set up and the initial members have been included, thank you all for your patience and a special thank you to Silicon Toad and Nylly our forum guru for resolving the issue that caused the delay. cheers to you both  8) 8) 8)
Title: Re: For the Restless - OurMX Support Group
Post by: silicon_toad2000 on January 20, 2016, 04:23:28 am
ha ha i helped by not touching anything  :))
Title: Re: For the Restless - OurMX Support Group
Post by: GhostShip on January 20, 2016, 06:56:52 am
Its not always what one does, but often what one says  :-D
Title: Re: For the Restless - OurMX Support Group
Post by: Plum on January 20, 2016, 08:17:23 am
I am here, but not sure why. All I see is idle chit chat at this point.
Title: Re: For the Restless - OurMX Support Group
Post by: TOAD on January 20, 2016, 08:19:54 pm
I am here, but not sure why. All I see is idle chit chat at this point.

It's been that way for years  :lol:
Title: Re: For the Restless - OurMX Support Group
Post by: GhostShip on January 20, 2016, 09:59:17 pm
Lest anyone forgets Toad is the person who claimed there was no OurMX despite it being released months before such claims, when folks make that sort of amateur hour trolling mistake you have to ask where their minds are at  :crazy:

Plum can you confirm you're ready to join the OurMx Support group as I will need to add you if you do, its not a public group.
Title: Re: For the Restless - OurMX Support Group
Post by: Plum on January 20, 2016, 10:59:46 pm
GS, what does that entail? I mean, what would my responsibilities be?
Title: Re: For the Restless - OurMX Support Group
Post by: GhostShip on January 20, 2016, 11:12:30 pm
Nothing I will hold you to my friend, I need logical minds and folks to discuss and test stuff with at their leisure, the idea is we do what we seem to do in the rest of the forum topic but in a more controlled environment where we can make progress with concepts, ideas, feedback and planning without wasting time with trolls and other time wasters during each discussion, such people only come here to derail our operations and waste time and TBH I am growing weary of them, having all the clever folks in one area means we adults can get on unhindered  :)
Title: Re: For the Restless - OurMX Support Group
Post by: Plum on January 21, 2016, 06:05:43 am
How is this different than the Core areas? Surely you haven't given access there to those who have not been vetted.
Title: Re: For the Restless - OurMX Support Group
Post by: GhostShip on January 21, 2016, 07:12:49 am
The group has been vetted and are all folks known to the community thats why they volunteered in the first place, The core is our first step resource for developers and those undertaking research into areas of interest, there are further areas which require a more selective access arrangement.but we try to be flexible and have a decent initial discussion with all of the developers simply to ensure they are trustworthy and to gauge their needs and abilities etc, all those whom have the primary information for example will have spoken to myself and comprehend the responsibility placed upon them, aside from those whom have received a non WMW originated version of  incomplete primary information along with stolen community property via KM not one of the developers has ever let us down, I,m sure you know i do my best to ensure we work in a positive and trust building fashion, tbh your question suprises me.
Title: Re: For the Restless - OurMX Support Group
Post by: wonderer on January 21, 2016, 08:09:11 am
GS, what does that entail? I mean, what would my responsibilities be?
GS will not even ask your pincode :)
Title: Re: For the Restless - OurMX Support Group
Post by: Plum on January 21, 2016, 10:28:40 am
I'm interested so far. Not sure what value I'd add. I'm an ideas person, but I don't code in anything current or compatible, and know little about protocol specifics.
Title: Re: For the Restless - OurMX Support Group
Post by: GhostShip on January 21, 2016, 09:05:48 pm
I want to say a lot more Plum but tbh I dont want to have to keep typing the same thing multiple times in different forum areas, just nod your head if you want me to add you to the Support Group section, I feel you have a skill I need and I hope thats all the encouragement you need to come and work with me and the others to bring the best out of all of us for the good of the community.

Title: Re: For the Restless - OurMX Support Group
Post by: Plum on January 21, 2016, 11:18:07 pm
Sure. I'll accept.
Title: Re: For the Restless - OurMX Support Group
Post by: Plum on January 22, 2016, 10:44:15 am
This thread title nearly sounds like a soap opera title. But I guess here we have "The Plum and the Restless." <g>

And as I said, I'll accept.
Title: Re: For the Restless - OurMX Support Group
Post by: White Stripes on January 22, 2016, 11:16:19 am
the yellow squares under your name should mean you should see a new part of the forum at the bottom..
Title: Re: For the Restless - OurMX Support Group
Post by: Plum on January 23, 2016, 07:37:08 am
Now what? I see the new forums and looked around. What would you like from me that I haven't shared already?
Title: Re: For the Restless - OurMX Support Group
Post by: GhostShip on January 23, 2016, 08:50:29 am
Please don't turn the whole thing into an against-your-will chore, if and when you feel you want to work in any of your ideas and even new ideas in fine detail then we can go ahead but my main priority is to get you guys testing Ourmx and working on a fix list for me so we can move towards a release in some controlled fashion, to that end i am working on a version for you guys so a bit of self participation might be in order to size up the others whom are also hiding out in the shadows atm,, its seems a free area for us to chat as humens and get some work done is now a place of fear or dread  :lol:

Jump in when your ready until then I will continue to post items and support data that can be studied and then we can get on with the big picture work and discuss the way ahead and how we are going to deliver it ,  this cannot be a one way street however I need the support you guys can offer but i understand that folks need to find their feet and sort out other working relationships amongst themselves.
Title: Re: For the Restless - OurMX Support Group
Post by: Plum on January 23, 2016, 11:03:39 am
Sure, I'll be glad to test. I just don't know what to do in terms of suggestions. I've given most of mine, and am not sure how understood they are. I don't want things to become acrimonious.

There are a number of ways to reduce abuse, and it isn't just about deliberate attackers. You may see more individual types of abuse, like hacked/modified clients for selfish people which go as far as hack values in memory to create things that are normally not possible. That was what I mentioned before. It isn't about checking all fields and stats of other users for the sake of stopping big attackers, since they will want to look as close to the real version as they can. The reason to check all the stats and fields are to look for other types of abuse that aren't as bad but not as good. I mean, they are not going to put incorrect or impossible information unless it serves a specific goal, like those who have 50 slots open out of a total of 0 slots in all -- logically and mathematically, that makes no sense. ("Out of" or "per" really means "divided by" and you cannot divide by zero.) So they deliberately hacked their client or used a 3rd-party tool to try to deliberately deceive clients that had anti-leech software.

Then the argument on leeching is, "But maybe they just want to chat." True, so that gives me a possible thought. Why not a loosely-coupled chat network? I mean, why not the ability to join the chat portion of the network without joining the file portion? Thus they can chat without giving or getting files. Or even use them for routing, relays, or hub management without them having any direct ties to the file-sharing part. Thus if there is any integrated leech prevention, it doesn't have to harm those who mainly want to chat, or don't mind their bandwidth being used for other tasks that help the network. So they cannot show up in download lists but will be able to chat, etc.

And another "leech" scenario is when someone owns an entire network but only have files on some of the machines. So they might want to download with the empty machine while hosting with another machine. So if someone really wants to block leeches without blocking those who share on other machines from what they download from, it would take some artful coding to be sure. It would not be fair to block those who do share using other equipment. There could be a way to prove one has another machine like that, but I am not sure that is a good precedent either (may make them more vulnerable to our enemies). The ones who run multiple connected machines are doing a service if they share on at least 1 machine.

Yet, if folks are going to use leech filtering, I'd rather it be in the program than a 3rd party option, since 3rd party can introduce bugs, crashes, etc., and possibly introduce vulnerabilities to the entire network. And it seems that most of the time, leeches only take bandwidth and don't give much back, but the worst concern is that the leeches may be disruptors, RIAA, MPAA, etc. So there are quite a bit of concerns when one looks at the leech thing. The leeches might not be leeches, some are not downloading anyway, and some leeches are some really bad players and are noway our friends. And forcing sharing is not the way to go either, since that invites hacking and is not a show of good faith. I might have lost my files and need professional recovery software before I can give back to the network. So it is a multifaceted issue with no easy solutions that would be fair to the entire community.
Title: Re: For the Restless - OurMX Support Group
Post by: GhostShip on January 23, 2016, 09:08:14 pm
Programs that demand forced sharing are on very shakey legal ground but those that do whole computer scanning for files to share are currently illegal in the US following on from a US court ruling in a limewire dispute in which a person claimed that they didn't intend to share copyrighted materials but the scan drives function shared said files without them noticing, thus the initial setup wizard request to share drives or folder in winmx is not included in OurMx so there can be no claims of folks accidentally sharing private or illicit materials by accident, folks have to actively share materials in OurMx theres no way to add folders by accident. .

This isn't the OurMx support area btw so I will curtail any further exchanges by myself here for the reason I mentioned some posts back.
Title: Re: For the Restless - OurMX Support Group
Post by: MinersLantern on January 24, 2016, 06:34:36 am
Meh.

Some have accused me as a leech because of the way I like how winmx allows you to download some target files, but upload other shared files. (this only in chatrooms btw)

I have not had any problems with getting my downloads from others, while sharing other files that they are interested in trading for. Both sides are happy. Files traded.

I do not consider that to be leeching.

If they dont want to trade theirs for mine, they are free to cut me off. And yet they dont do that.

They either send what im after with no strings, or they queue up and trade for my files.

I see very little bitching and argument with traders lately.

My most annoying one was years ago, some idiot just wanting a file from me, he wasnt even in a trade thing. I was giving freely my file with no want for anything he had.

He ended up flipping shit because I was sending it too slowly. Like wtf?

I dont have infinitley fast Japan fiber access and what makes you feel so entitled?
Go buzz off.

I call that a leech.









Title: Re: For the Restless - OurMX Support Group
Post by: White Stripes on January 24, 2016, 08:18:58 am
i share back what i download... simple...
Title: Re: For the Restless - OurMX Support Group
Post by: Plum on January 24, 2016, 11:56:53 am
I wasn't referring to "trading," but those who download without sharing ANYTHING. There are occasionally good reasons for that too. For instance, what if they person with 0 files for download were queuing up file recovery software? It is possible that they were sharing before a crash. Or I found those who had their own network who participated with 2+ machines. They were sharing on one of the machines, but not on all, and they would download on the machine that had no uploads.

I'm not a mod, but I do believe we should get back on topic.
Title: Re: For the Restless - OurMX Support Group
Post by: RebelMX on January 26, 2016, 09:00:58 pm
Having recently completed my studies, I feel I may now have sufficient time to be able to assist.  GS please decide what help you need from me and drop me a pm to discuss.
Title: Re: For the Restless - OurMX Support Group
Post by: GhostShip on January 26, 2016, 09:59:36 pm
Completed eh  :D

The weeks looking up, well done with the studying RebelMx  8)
Title: Re: For the Restless - OurMX Support Group
Post by: RebelMX on January 26, 2016, 10:12:21 pm
Indeed thanks.  Fully qualified on Friday last week, a weekend of celebrations...