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Title: unwelcome pests
Post by: ··º)([¥])(º·· Defender on September 16, 2007, 11:55:30 pm
Hi all, been having some unwelcome room pests recently, they drop by and pm the rooms users with messages like this

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DO NOT TELL YOUR ROOM ADMINS  BUT .... they are lying to you  most of your members are fake try browsing them and you get nothing, also your room admins share child porn Remove your room tag and come and join our room we have the fastest download speeds on winmx

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fed up of being a member of a dead boring room and a room whos  ***in ***ting admins secretly share child porn ? If   remove your tag and come and join our room we are the best room on winmx ever. come to *******************

I have asked around and it seems like they have been doing this to others as well, I wont mention the room name as I see no point in allowing anyone to gain from this activity, but just wanted you all to be aware if this is happeneing to you your not alone and to set up a bot to kick on PM as I have.

PS: I logged the IP  84.x.x.x. range a few times now so keep eye open for this one.

PPS: If you want to add any more or let us know if you've been affected leave out the IP's, names of person and room name, we dont want them to have more visitors to bring their numbers up
Title: Re: unwelcome pests
Post by: GhostShip on September 17, 2007, 12:12:28 am
Hmm thats sounds like a nasty bunch of folks Defender  :?

I,m sure none of us want to see this sort of activity spread, the most annoying part for me is the alleagtion of child porn trafficking, this is one of the worst things to accuse ppl of, lets hope these lamesters slip up and we can shame them into apologising.
Title: Re: unwelcome pests
Post by: ··º)([¥])(º·· Defender on September 17, 2007, 12:15:22 am
Sure is buddy real irritating as well.

Those pms dont help us good guys of mx build our rooms one bit and puts off new users
cant wait for them to slip up because I'll be waiting.
Title: Re: unwelcome pests
Post by: {{MMM}}Sammie on September 17, 2007, 12:31:42 am
just like to add that as a host on winmx I also have had the same pests visit my room,
I wish they would slip up , I dont appreciate getting the above pms as Defender listed , the accusation
is awful, and would love to know who it is and what fun they are getting out of it.

Well said though Defender you are not on your own :}
Title: Re: unwelcome pests
Post by: Mick832 on September 17, 2007, 01:13:55 am
I know the room was not named, and I agree with that, but has anyone gone to that room and asked if they are behind it.   Sometimes user do things like this to anoy the admin of the room, because they have been banned etc.   You may find that the admin of that room know who you are talking about and have that person banned by ip.
Title: Re: unwelcome pests
Post by: ··º)([¥])(º·· Defender on September 17, 2007, 01:28:10 am
several have been to the room and asked including myself and have recieved abuse etc from them
Title: Re: unwelcome pests
Post by: ]-[êll.Ôñ.ËÀR'][']-[. on September 17, 2007, 04:55:25 am
* also posted in other thread of same nature
just another bunch of desperate idiots playing games ··º)([¥])(º·· Defender  ban their ips/names and perhaps set a bot or two in your room list to kick ban any pm spamers
place a warning in the room ( perhaps in your welcome message) though asking people to ask b4 pming anyone though (save regs & innocents from getting banned)
perhaps also place a warning in the room of whats going on
personally i wouldn't join any room that pmd me weather it be crap like this or any other msg telling me to join there room as good rooms have no need for these tactics they rely on reputation and word of mouth & let their files do the advertising
Title: Re: unwelcome pests
Post by: MinersLantern on September 17, 2007, 06:08:14 am
mm whois the ip, then firewall the range?
always works for me.
Title: Re: unwelcome pests
Post by: ··º)([¥])(º·· Defender on September 17, 2007, 09:39:44 am
ive gots bots trying to ban them ive also put most of the names they use as a blocklist in fx configs
but as fo banning ips bit difficult when they using proxy
Title: Re: unwelcome pests
Post by: {MXHOST} ßéñgá£tìgè® 2007 on September 17, 2007, 10:18:39 am
Our room has not recieved the same thing, but other rooms i park i have recieved the same pm's. I park in defenders room also and have recieved the pm's the user is forever changing there username and ip changes each time also. but always uses that rooms tag.

Title: Re: unwelcome pests
Post by: Max™ on September 17, 2007, 05:37:57 pm
i have seen some nasty PM's to my members, i did visit the room that was shown in their PM's
they are ware of this and their names & room is being cloned,
3 of their members names with the same IP tried to enter the room i host for a friend, but in the actual room the 3 members have totally different IP's & one was even a no-ip dj radio thing,
so that shows how smart or rather dumb the cloner is,
the other room did apologise to anyone having these nasty PM's.
Title: Re: unwelcome pests
Post by: ··º)([¥])(º·· Defender on September 17, 2007, 05:40:40 pm
if that is true i have evidence that i have in possession that proves different
Title: Yet again Movies New And Old are Under attack
Post by: ¤Mñº¤ ÃçìÐЮõþ 999 on September 17, 2007, 09:45:09 pm
The lastest in the on going attack on us will not get our room to shut down Im sorry to say as the length of time you have been trying the more people become aware that MNO are niether cloners or spammers and to all rooms that have suffered at the hands of these low lifes Im sorry but as you all know we are trying our best to find out who is doing it but please understand that we to have lifes outside of mx and cant always be in the room to make you all aware of what is happening every hour of the day. That is why I decided tonight to post this to let as many rooms know at once that there is a clone going around as many rooms as possible trying to get you to think that pm's are been sent by members of Movies New And Old.We are hopping that it gets resovled one way or another as soon as possible.


And I would like to say A big thankyou to all that have helped and supported us throughout this attck :O)

Paul (Kermy) Admin and Host of Movies New And Old
Title: Re: Yet again Movies New And Old are Under attack
Post by: ']['affy on September 17, 2007, 09:49:11 pm
ty for your post acid and hope u get it sorted asap
Title: Re: Yet again Movies New And Old are Under attack
Post by: ¤Mñº¤ ÃçìÐЮõþ 999 on September 17, 2007, 09:53:51 pm
Thank you Taffy :O)

Paul (kermy)
Title: Re: unwelcome pests
Post by: {{MMM}}Sammie on September 17, 2007, 10:49:13 pm
This situation is getting beyond a joke people on proxy servers cloning decent room hosts and making suggestions of child porn about other room hosts,
I personnaly wish they would grow up and get a life and stop sending malicous pms, if they got a problem be big and confront dont hide behind a proxy server !!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: unwelcome pests
Post by: ··º)([¥])(º·· Defender on September 17, 2007, 11:14:18 pm
haha they so much of a coward to hide behind a proxy they even dare to clone my hostname
if they that big and brave have the guts to come see me with a real ip and real name this is pathetic
Title: Re: unwelcome pests
Post by: Micromecca on September 17, 2007, 11:21:24 pm
Hi Guys, I have merged these posts as the topic seems to be spawning various threads in different places on the forum, lets keep it here in Chat Issues

Many Thanks  :D
Title: Re: unwelcome pests
Post by: ··º)([¥])(º·· Defender on September 17, 2007, 11:31:48 pm
still waiting for them to come face me as they seem to be so big with threats and silly clones of my name i will find who it is eventually
dont care how long it takes
but i will find them
Title: Re: unwelcome pests
Post by: $i£ve®$haÐów on September 18, 2007, 03:23:55 pm
Hope you get them defender dont think i have had them in my room but i can say i've had the pms. and lots of them.
there's no place on mx for ppl like this. im willing to help in anyway i can to bring this matter to an end.
Title: Re: unwelcome pests
Post by: ··º)([¥])(º·· Defender on September 18, 2007, 03:26:00 pm
thanks goddess o i will find them they aint dragging my name down to their level i aint here to b dragged down im here to help people
Title: Re: unwelcome pests
Post by: ··º)([¥])(º·· Defender on September 18, 2007, 06:24:20 pm
heads up as from now theyve now cloned
me jackie
and
dmz birdman
all this after they cloned me last night
Title: Re: unwelcome pests
Post by: ··º)([¥])(º·· Defender on September 18, 2007, 07:07:50 pm
latest pathetic attempt at causing trouble for us gd guys of mx
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We have seen evidence that the admins of your room and some members are sharing child porn, like pictures of a 4 year old girl being raped. Get away from these sick bastards and join us we dont allow it
*************_*************

hasnt the cloner got bored yet as more they carry on more likely it is b4 they slip us and reveal their actual ip
Title: Re: unwelcome pests
Post by: ..Ñøßߥ.. on September 18, 2007, 07:17:37 pm
I bumped into one of these users just yesterday, Panther i think was the name, sent me the same sort of pm, i was in WmW and acid lounge at the time, but i had left the channels before the pm arrived, so not sure which room they were in. All i can say is, what a loser, after a brief exchange, he seemed to get lost.
Title: Re: unwelcome pests
Post by: ··º)([¥])(º·· Defender on September 18, 2007, 07:19:05 pm
the panther your on about was my clone panther is my host name i use in my room
Title: Re: unwelcome pests
Post by: -=[HBO]=- GeMzY on September 18, 2007, 07:46:58 pm
to my knowledge this has been going on for the past 3 weeks or so, someone has too much spare time and too much craving for attention, we have been advising our members to hit ignore on the names pm'ing them and just ignore it, the less attention these no-life spammers get the better.  Personally i fid it real boring that they are still doing it and i feel for the names being cloned, hold ur heads up most ppl know its not really u just someone that is dedicated to wanting to be as popular as u.
just somebody showing off that they have finally learnt to clone & use proxy i guess its all new to them.
Title: Re: unwelcome pests
Post by: [HBO]Booie on September 18, 2007, 08:19:32 pm
i agree with all the posts they are very bored and childish and are trying to make trouble for all the  rooms they need to grow up and move on and realize all their doing is being very annoying, our rooms and members are real and thriving more and more every day were all here to help and share i figure if some one has a problem with a certain room/member they should be man/women enough to address them under their real name. or atleast send a message around with some truth to it!! our @ share no child porn and i find it hard to believe any other @ would either i feel very bad for all the @ and names that have been cloned and hope this will all come to a stop soon it is so beyond pathetic that its happening and lasting so long.
Title: Re: unwelcome pests
Post by: ··º)([¥])(º·· Defender on September 18, 2007, 10:14:30 pm
This is now really getting beyond a joke
they think they are so smart they even clone a 15yr old member of mine wtf instead of cloning
come and meet me then see whose the bigger one
Title: Re: unwelcome pests
Post by: ¤Mñº¤ ÙþÌñ§Möke on September 19, 2007, 12:27:05 am
defender comments like your making are only making the matter worse. not actually helping to solve the issue with the prat. the cloning and pm`s stopped. and have since started again around the same time that you started with all ya posts on here. and as for comments of having something to say maybe ya wanna take ya own advise just come out and say it rather then sitting in ya room like ya was lastnight pointing the finger`s at everyone ya dont like. also if you have something to say use ya own name like you say. not the dif one`s ya used the night ya came in and got a rude reception. why the rude reception well that`ll be the gloating you did cos my room under attack .
Title: Re: unwelcome pests
Post by: ··º)([¥])(º·· Defender on September 19, 2007, 12:31:43 am
oh really upinsmoke
how would you know what i was saying in my room last night since your mno upinsmoke murphinator or unforgiven wasnt in my room last night

and since you claim this has all started again since i made this post how do you work that out when it hs been going on for at least 3 weeks and the post has only been here for less than 48 hours
Title: Re: unwelcome pests
Post by: ¤Mñº¤ ÙþÌñ§Möke on September 19, 2007, 12:36:11 am
as for what was said in your room it`s was admin from 3 other rooms that made me awear of this as none of mine were there to defend there selfs. and as for 3 weeks i know as it my room that been the target of all this crap. so answer my question you think it`s us. what do you think we have to gain out of this ?
Title: Re: unwelcome pests
Post by: ··º)([¥])(º·· Defender on September 19, 2007, 12:42:53 am
your room eh really since scifi founded it
and as for your question of what i think you gain well thats simple if blondes could work that out
Title: Re: unwelcome pests
Post by: ¤Mñº¤ ÙþÌñ§Möke on September 19, 2007, 02:32:24 am
sci fi me moon and paul founded it so proves that you know jack. i took full control of room 6 months ago so yes make`s  it my room. so maybe ya wanna get ya full facts on the subject you know nothing about befor making posts about them.
Title: Re: unwelcome pests
Post by: Micromecca on September 19, 2007, 04:28:31 am
Is there any point in this thread being kept open, seeing as the original topic has now been overtaken by you guys ranting at each other, which by the way is probably exactly what the 'spammers' wanted from day one, think about it  :!:
Title: Re: unwelcome pests
Post by: ¤Mñº¤ ÙþÌñ§Möke on September 19, 2007, 10:59:15 am
it is ranting m8 but out of all the posts there`s only 1 person with pleanty to say. and what he`s saying is just making the spammer worse. so yes the spammer is getting what he wants. all we want is for the finger pointing to stop. as he`s doing a better job of discediting my room than the spammer.
we have proved ourselfs time and time again. in situations like this admin of dif rooms should be standing together to combat this situation. Not use the situation to better ones self and make themself look bigger than they are. and there were points i made in my posts and as of yet he aint been able to answer them. this is best place for us to defend ourself so everyone can see we have nothing hide. only reason for our post. thanks
Title: Re: unwelcome pests
Post by: ··º)([¥])(º·· Defender on September 19, 2007, 02:34:15 pm
huh since i havent pointed any fingers at anyone and since all ive done is keep people informed on the latest clones and pms
then im not sure what upinsmoke is getting worked up about since my original postings have nothing referred to him or his room  :?
Title: Re: unwelcome pests
Post by: TheMacDaddy on September 19, 2007, 02:49:26 pm
I see no reason at all that this post should head in this direction...
If you do as i have done and place a simple little warning message in yourroom bot warning your members that there are people going around spamming rooms with silly claims,then that is all you need to do.
Also a simple post here saying your room was spammed and to use a message to warn your members is all that needs to be done.
Now if theres anything else posted here other then spammers names or messages spammers are sending then i will not have any other option but to lock this thread once and for all.
This is a user friendly forum lets keep it that way.
Title: Re: unwelcome pests
Post by: ··º)([¥])(º·· Defender on September 19, 2007, 02:53:36 pm
thanks themacdaddy my main and only intention here is keep people uptodate with the messages and clones names
so therefore making more aware as im not interested in finger pointing this is not what i started this post for except for information as was originally discussed with ghostship when i started it
Title: Re: unwelcome pests
Post by: ··º)([¥])(º·· Defender on September 19, 2007, 07:45:19 pm
new clone for tonight
¹ÐmZ Smökíñ 999_14483

same old message so far
Title: Re: unwelcome pests
Post by: Moose on September 19, 2007, 08:12:52 pm
Yeah, I've been parking in Smokin's room for a while, & the people in there have been getting hit by the cloner/spammer saying they want them to go to another room. Today, my room got hit by them - pretending to be Smokin' & saying they wanted us to go to theirs. It looks like they're making the rounds now. Grrr!

I wonder if it could be an anti-p2p group? Their regular tactics are about as effective as using an eraser on a marble statue.
Title: Re: unwelcome pests
Post by: birdman on September 19, 2007, 09:54:57 pm
I would like to apologise to anyone who recieved a message from me last night or smokin tonight, we are the subject of a person cloning us and sending out nasty messages like whats already been posted in this threrad ive got a fair idea who it is but sadly no one else thinks so i guess we may never know who it is for sure unless they slip up.
Title: Re: unwelcome pests
Post by: ··º)([¥])(º·· Defender on September 19, 2007, 10:53:36 pm
apology for what this thread isnt for apologies
this is only for information on what the cloner/spammer ie updates on names etc
as a previous post earlier this isnt here for pointing fingers as thats what the cloner wants
i see all we should do is carry on business as usual no changes and let the cloner come to us they will soon slip up
Title: Re: unwelcome pests
Post by: birdman on September 19, 2007, 10:58:25 pm
ok , moderators please remove my previous post thnx
Title: Re: unwelcome pests
Post by: ··º)([¥])(º·· Defender on September 19, 2007, 11:01:28 pm
no need to remove just thought id mention it before thread gets closed as im guessing the cloner would want this closed as it gets the heat off them
Title: Re: unwelcome pests
Post by: ]-[êll.Ôñ.ËÀR'][']-[. on September 20, 2007, 03:00:25 am
The threat to close the thread was because this has become some kind of shoutcast for unfounded accusations & insinuations about other hosts/admins/users  from other rooms  instead of a place to report whats going on...... im guessing the cloner/spammer must be laughing there socks off if they are reading this thread as it is now achieving nothing what so ever (except probably giving them a even bigger laugh)
Take the advice of other hosts/admins etc & set up bots /ban/warn your users  and move on as you are just playing into there hands by keep posting every occurance/accusation here and making threats of your own.....something that will only serve to inflame the situation even more.
Title: Re: unwelcome pests
Post by: ¤Mñº¤ ÃçìÐЮõþ 999 on September 20, 2007, 05:11:13 pm
latest pm going round is :-

finally the prat cloning other users and spamming about child porn etc has slipped up and last night was exposed as they didnt hide their ip, several people have traced the ip to the following user··º)([¥])(º·· Defender577 his real ip is 82.XX.XX.XX from the room T([\/])R MOVIES MUSIC now he has been caught maybe his filth will stop

from someone named    zenar635
Title: Re: unwelcome pests
Post by: ··º)([¥])(º·· Defender on September 20, 2007, 05:41:47 pm
could i ask for ips not to be left here please as this is a public forum as stated in my first post
Title: Re: unwelcome pests
Post by: ¤Mñº¤ ÃçìÐЮõþ 999 on September 20, 2007, 07:48:42 pm
hi panther Im not aware if that is infact your true ip, but was only following the spirit of this thread and posted the pm as it is beening sent and thats all, so that anyone who recvivces it can do with it as they should have with the rest of them and that is ignore them.


Paul (kermy)
Title: Re: unwelcome pests
Post by: ··º)([¥])(º·· Defender on September 20, 2007, 07:50:49 pm
all i can say is that is not my ip but thanks neway
Title: Re: unwelcome pests
Post by: ¤Mñº¤ ßållß®èåkè® on September 20, 2007, 08:05:00 pm
im new to this thred but its about time all u on ere all put ur heads togeths now i am n ex member from movies n shares and it seems to me that this zenar person who tellin everyone who he thinks is the spammer or clone now summit ive notice so far is that this zenar person has hit rooms that have either n ex member or ex admin of movies n shares in i also found out just by lookin on this site that zenar is only 19 yrs old....now most of us who left movies n shares left wivin the last 5 yrs and around that time in movies n shares was someone at the age of around 14 then started to get to much now for those of u remember that was carl he was also told to leave n calm himself down now this zenar person is 19 now and is gettin involved i have never seen him in any of the rooms that i have ever been in but knows n lot about whats going on no is it possible that this zenar person is someone that was in movies n share that can hold a grudge for a long time n has now come bk to get even wiv everyone that was in or parked in movies n shares???? if it aint then dont u think that someone should find out who zenar is n find out what this whole spammin crap as got to do wiv him n now he knows so much n how when he entered movies new n old he was changin his ip every 59 seconds n why when he first came in he was wheres swaggies tag and then he change to zen zenar tooty wicked ect ect.... we should all be pullin together on this one not fighting i know some ppl dont get on wiv ppl from other rooms for one reason or another....but rite now tis cloner is laffin at us all cos all we doin is havin pops at each other
its either we all work together on this or we all ignore this spammer n hope that soon he will get bored but only u lot can make the choice

                  thank- you
      ¤Mñº¤ ßållß®èåkè® aka sam or bb  :)
Title: Re: unwelcome pests
Post by: ··º)([¥])(º·· Defender on September 20, 2007, 08:07:37 pm
i know the real zenar as i brought him into my room when the first of tonight pms surfaced so therefore its not the real zenar
Title: Re: unwelcome pests
Post by: ¤Mñº¤ ßållß®èåkè® on September 20, 2007, 08:13:37 pm
ok.....but what i would like to know is of how many of the rooms hit by this clone have got n ex member or ex admin in from movies n shares and how many rooms havent?

sam
Title: Re: unwelcome pests
Post by: TheMacDaddy on September 20, 2007, 09:59:07 pm
I have removed the ip listed in the above post as it is a rule of this site that we do not post personal ip's here
Please keep it this way....
Title: Re: unwelcome pests
Post by: ··º)([¥])(º·· Defender on September 21, 2007, 06:10:26 pm
yet again the cloners hit us this time cloning my admin darlo stud

same old boring pm
Quote
You stupid f**kin c**t your supporting a room whos admins like to mess with little children and share pictures of it , leave this room and join our room we do not do such filth. Come to
******************
Title: Re: unwelcome pests
Post by: {MXHOST} ßéñgá£tìgè® 2007 on September 21, 2007, 09:11:50 pm
«¦eX¦»    ¤Mñº¤    ··º)([¥])(º··   ¹ÐmZ     these tagged rooms have all had clones and very similar pms it isnt aimed at 1 specific room its aimed at winmx to try and start room wars and arguments between admins n hosts (WHICH SEEMS TO BE WORKING).

P.S    If any1 knows ov any other rooms that have had clones plz add them.
Title: Re: unwelcome pests
Post by: ']['affy on September 21, 2007, 09:18:03 pm
just addin fuel to the fire, just ignore them and they will go away like normal pests they are, it not the first time someone likes to cause trouble on mx and it wont be the last.
Title: Re: unwelcome pests
Post by: ··º)([¥])(º·· Defender on September 21, 2007, 10:24:43 pm
latest clone victim n ip range
http://panther.no-ip.info:8000 (http://panther.no-ip.info:8000)730_30437 <<<<<< yet again me
21*.*.*
Title: Re: unwelcome pests
Post by: ¤Mñº¤ ßållß®èåkè® on September 23, 2007, 08:19:10 pm
the lasted pm YOUR ROOM SHARES CHILD PORN YOUR ALL SCUM AND IAM REPORTING ALL YOUR  IPS   ··º)([¥])(º·· vå(¥)Þîrêss531_26266 
Title: Re: unwelcome pests
Post by: ··º)([¥])(º·· Defender on September 23, 2007, 08:40:58 pm
as per last post also had me cloned again
panther
same message but spamming rooms
Title: Re: unwelcome pests
Post by: ¤Mñº¤ ßållß®èåkè® on September 23, 2007, 08:43:05 pm
they pm'd everyone in this room *Channel name edited out* and flooded room to 

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Title: Re: unwelcome pests
Post by: Micromecca on September 23, 2007, 09:59:42 pm
I have edited out our channel name as we do not wish our channel to be directly involved in this thread

Regards
Title: Re: unwelcome pests
Post by: ]-[êll.Ôñ.ËÀR'][']-[. on September 23, 2007, 11:02:46 pm
Continuing this thread will only add fuel to the spammers fire anyway....as even negative attention to some ppl is attention all the same. move on and do something a little more constructive like build upon your room as i think everyones got the point now about this thread.... all the while there is winmx there will be idiots who try to spoil it for others its the way of the world accept it and move onwards and upwards 
Title: Re: unwelcome pests
Post by: ··º)([¥])(º·· Defender on September 23, 2007, 11:37:05 pm
can i ask how im supposed to carry on since ive been cloned 5 times because i certainly aint changing my name for noone ive built my reputation up on panther a cloner aint going to put that in jeopardy
Title: Re: unwelcome pests
Post by: ]-[êll.Ôñ.ËÀR'][']-[. on September 24, 2007, 05:59:00 am
if you have built up a reputation some lame assed cloner isnt going to make a diffrence to it panther ....you are taking this way to personal and letting this person/people get to you to much
log there activities ... ban them .... scan the ips for any simularities etc ...in the end they will slip up & when they do that is the time to take action.... either by fair means or foul (personaly i prefer the  latter for asses like this)   continue to build your room & dont let them ruin this for you. ppl will know soon as they get these pms etc what fools they are 4 sure
Title: Re: unwelcome pests
Post by: rav1960 on September 24, 2007, 06:12:18 am
hi everyone ive had the same problem in my room with this spammer i think its rude and unwanted. why would you spend ur time doing this its beyound me.. i just hope this stops and we can all just get on with it
Title: Re: unwelcome pests
Post by: Max™ on September 24, 2007, 03:30:05 pm
i have made efforts to trace this cloner, he/she/it uses mainly proxies from Korea, China & Japan as well as a UK one, and uses names including tags of other rooms, no doubt many of us will be cloned, even banning the entire IP range seems to hold him out until he re-logs a new proxy host, like he did 3 times last night.
my bet is its a teenager with daddys pc finding it has a proxy on it he thinks he's an ace hacker, but he's only an annoyance.
lets hope daddy changes his password on the pc soon.
Title: Re: unwelcome pests
Post by: birdman on September 26, 2007, 10:15:49 pm
Got hit by the clone spammer tonight but this time his/her ip was not hidden behind a proxy but was still swearing etc here the ip and username hopefully someone can now match it and then we can move on, several rooms got hit not just mine



¤º/\/\4µº¤  £öõkìñg****_**** (84.**.***.**) (DSL 1402 files) has entered


Edited: ip addy to protect the user as we do not advertise ips Silicon_toad
Title: Re: unwelcome pests
Post by: birdman on September 27, 2007, 05:24:34 am
i can appreciate the need to protect decent peoples ips but this person has been attacking rooms on winmx for weeks and seemed to have finally slipped up this person aint worth protecting with the vile stuff he has been doing latley he is no diff to to others who have been attacking the network and had their ips exposed  :?
Title: Re: unwelcome pests
Post by: tig on September 28, 2007, 02:31:15 pm
HI Birdman

All Ips have been removed as soon as we have seen them.

I understand personally why you want them left for everyone to see. However the only thing we do is to protect all users and remove the ip addys. If anyone is after the ip addys it can be done through an im to you personally as you have the information and only put the user name up. As I have seen many times that username's have been copied and it wasn't them. I have had this done to me and others have as well.

All you will need to do is to post that you have the information if required and please im me and that you will get back to them soon enough. Especially since it is from a spammer.
Title: Re: unwelcome pests
Post by: jack-o-lantern on November 04, 2009, 10:37:35 am
don't be fooled the spammer is birdamn from DMZ - has done it many times before - and will do it again
Title: Re: unwelcome pests
Post by: GhostShip on November 04, 2009, 11:12:38 am
As we all know prevention is better than cure so I would urge you all to refine your bot software to deal a blow to those using caps, spamming web addresses and generally using obnoxious language, the next level of protection is to use a program such as PG that has all the proxy lists on it , only the chat host has to do this though not anyone else and with these two measures combined the annoyance factor that this recent rash of spamming produces will become more than tolerable if not invisible.
Title: Re: unwelcome pests
Post by: Highbury-Gooner on November 04, 2009, 01:45:57 pm
In reply to Jack-O-Lantern,


Its ppl like you that do not know their A from their E that create more problems than we have , ive known BM for a few years now and if you knew the upset all the accusations has caused then you may like to think before you blirt out names. At the end of the day , nobody at present knows who the spammer/spammers are , its this type of witch hunt that takes away the enjoyment of mx, i could sit here and reel off names that have entered our room, and ppl who have pm'd me using insulting language but that would be wrong 4 me to do that as like many ppl i dont know 4 sure if it is who it says it is.
Title: Re: unwelcome pests
Post by: Highbury-Gooner on November 06, 2009, 10:18:34 pm
It appears that someone has indicated that they have hard evidence that BM from DMZ is the spammer. Surely if you are 100% certain that he is the spammer then you should come forward and share that info. If you dont then what the hell has he been banned for.
Now as i dont always assume what ive been told is true , i can only ask the question, so this question is 4 u Ghostship, if you do have something then it should be left on the table for us all to see, if not then this silly ban should be lifted. I cant help thinking that people are bowing to pressure from certain ppl and their following to get innocent ppl into trouble.
Title: Re: unwelcome pests
Post by: GhostShip on November 07, 2009, 09:31:19 am
Gooner dont make the mistake of thinking you can tell myself or anyone else on the forum what to do and when, also try reading the forum, I have stated that I will when all the hubbub has died down make plain the facts as to why Birdman your friend is no longer welcome here, and please stop with the "what a nice guy" routine, its no secret that he has been waging a chat room war for the last two years with another room, btw a question should not be a demand.

Title: Re: unwelcome pests
Post by: Highbury-Gooner on November 07, 2009, 11:25:54 am
In reply to you Ghostship


I dont think i have told you what to do , i merely asked a question and i dont seem any harm in me asking for the evidence you have taken the step of banning him so im asking if it is you that has proof then you should be able to say here and now what has happened to cause this, rather than playing god and dictating you will show the evidence when you feel fit. With regards to waging wars, even if BM has issues with certain ppl ( from a certain room/rooms) then we then have to ask why that is, and if you feel that someone retaliating to provokation is wrong then im glad you would never be my solicitor in court! Tit for Tat i think you will find. There is no smoke without fire for sure but the other parties that are involved in these diputes are not angels. So to blame one person is unfair and the court in which you reside needs burning down and rebuilding.
Title: Re: unwelcome pests
Post by: Highbury-Gooner on November 07, 2009, 11:49:07 am
Oh and in addition to that remark at the end of your last post Ghost.


I WANT THAT ANSWER RIGHT NOW, I WANT THAT EVIDENCE!!   now thats a demand. I figure you dont have very good social skills huh??
Title: Re: unwelcome pests
Post by: tig on November 07, 2009, 12:12:58 pm
Hi Highbury-Gooner

Quote
I WANT THAT ANSWER RIGHT NOW, I WANT THAT EVIDENCE!!   now thats a demand. I figure you dont have very good social skills huh??

I can understand everyones frustration at this particular time. We are all busy. We are all on top of this and trying to work through areas of concern with a lot of rooms. This sort of demand is not needed like this. Your particular questions might not be answered as you want it however, please be aware that as soon as any infomation is posted at the moment everyone including myself is getting jumped on.

As soon as we can I am sure that information will be given out.

Thanks for understanding.
Title: Re: unwelcome pests
Post by: Highbury-Gooner on November 07, 2009, 12:25:53 pm
Hi Tig, all i was saying in my last entry was that is how a demand looks and i did not put it like that in the earlier post, i was just asking why it was such a big deal when the facts apparently are there. And can i further that by saying if the facts are not there then surley its only fair to have left things as they were( i.e no banning users in here until its proved) just seems a little unfair to me .
And furthers the opinion of other users that Ghostship must be in a relationship with a member from a certain room otherwise this whole debate would not seem to be so one sided.
Title: Re: unwelcome pests
Post by: GhostShip on November 07, 2009, 04:25:08 pm
I repeat your talking from ignorance, be patient and please tell birdman that having you and his other friends post here wil not benefit him.
Title: Re: unwelcome pests
Post by: Stevi on November 07, 2009, 04:37:24 pm
This is why I said to leave the spamming alone and up to the hosts to come together to find a solution. WinMX wasnt meant for one person, or a group of people to moderate the chat rooms. Hosts are the owners of the rooms and have the authority to make changes. We will give advice, but not demand anything from anyone. We have our own room, and you have yours.

I do not know why we need people coming into the room and posting things about the spammer name and IP address. Seems pointless to me.

Way back before WinMXWorld, there was no forum to post that someone is spamming in your room, you just had to find a way to deal with it. Thats how it was, and is, always supposed to be.

(I will wait for somone to pick out some things from what I said to come back at me, since someone always does).
Title: Re: unwelcome pests
Post by: GhostShip on November 07, 2009, 07:25:16 pm
I agree we shouldnt concern ourselves with trivial room drama Omega but I dont think that we should leave many of the chats hosts without help or information if either are available, its not fair or right for a small minority to annoy the majority for no reason other that because they are socially challenged.

And furthers the opinion of other users that Ghostship must be in a relationship with a member from a certain room otherwise this whole debate would not seem to be so one sided.

Keep taking the medication old boy  :lol: :-D :lol:

I must say this has brought a large smile to my face  :-D I wonder what BS is going to be said next by Birdmans friends, one things for sure it certainly boosts the forum traffic  ;)
Title: Re: unwelcome pests
Post by: Stevi on November 07, 2009, 09:54:09 pm
I agree that we should give advice and support to the room hosts about issues that arise. No network would be strong unless everyone works together.

And about the Birdman thing. OH WOW!!!! I was banned from WinMXWorld Forum. Now watch the news. I will be on it for killing myself!!!! It is not a big deal. Everything in the forum can also be found out in our chat room, and most can be found on the help pages.

I need to keep an eye out on my forum now. This post might make people mad, and I will get spammed. And if it does, it just goes to show that we were right to ban Birdman.

Sorry to everyone, but this whole "OMG Someone is spamming my room, fix it!" crap is really getting on my nerves.
Title: Re: unwelcome pests
Post by: spamslapper on February 27, 2010, 02:52:40 pm
oops, more recent and sorted:

*edit: List of IP's removed, see post below - nylly
Title: Re: unwelcome pests
Post by: spamslapper on February 27, 2010, 03:02:00 pm
our room normally doesnt ban anyone, but these cloner-spammers are the exception.
I've honestly done my best to keep this list to ONLY the obnoxious cloner-spammers.

if someone screams they got banned, extreme possibility they are one of em.
as a rule, ban by IP# not by name!  banning names only locks out the good people who these cloners are trying to ruin.
Title: Re: unwelcome pests
Post by: Stevi on February 27, 2010, 03:07:29 pm
You do realize that the spamer(s) use a proxy so their IP changes when they want it to?? Banning all those IPs isnt very smart, as it may block innocent people who get those IP addresses someday.

I suggest using a Metis tool, that is if you are the host, and if not this info can be passed to them. The tool was made by a skilled Metis coder, and it is updated daily with new proxy IPs.

http://www.mxpulse.com/board/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=194&p=772#p772
Title: Re: unwelcome pests
Post by: spamslapper on February 27, 2010, 03:20:27 pm
yes, but I also remember the cloners yelling it would block people from connecting to winmx, a blatant lie because it only stops THEM from entering chatrooms, not connecting to mx.
that was taken as indicator they were running out of proxies to abuse and panicking.

this list has been VERY effective, and very simple too. sorry about the first 2 posts, the 3rd sorted list being most recent.  (please remove them first 2 if you would)

other rooms may use the list or not, at their own discretion, I'm simply offering help.
ty Omega
Title: Re: unwelcome pests
Post by: ··º)([¥])(º·· Eagle on February 27, 2010, 04:40:35 pm
If people use the right version of metis together with Pri's script this will either lock out or boot out any proxy that enters their room :) ive seen it working and using it myself like
Title: Re: unwelcome pests
Post by: nylly444 on February 27, 2010, 08:50:14 pm
All the information about the recent spamming and how to block them is available in our special section for room hosts,
there's no need to put a list of IP's out here in the open.

The list being used by the mentioned metis script is well maintained, i.e. it contains confirmed IP's and gets updated regularly so it won't contain any unused IP's.
Therefore I will remove the list above as it will not be accurate for long even if it is right now and there's really no need to put this kind of unconfirmed information
out there.

If anyone needs more information on this follow the link omega posted or ask us here (http://forum.winmxworld.com/index.php/topic,522.0.html) to add you to the mxhosts section which has all the information about this :)
Title: Re: unwelcome pests
Post by: spamslapper on February 27, 2010, 10:13:09 pm
I can understand a bot kicking proxy servers automatically could be handy, but could also auto kick someone on a proxy who isnt about cloning and spamming, so its debatable what is a better method no doubt. there's also a lot of us who are inept at setting up bots (is me also!).

you may have just done a disservice to those who dont use bots, by removing the list, but I also understand taking the word of a "stranger" that the list is legit, isnt the easiest thing to do.

no hard feelings about it of course, its ok that honest help isnt acceptable lol
Title: Re: unwelcome pests
Post by: Max™ on February 27, 2010, 10:32:43 pm
Hiya Spamslapper,
for people like myself that do have regs in my room and they use proxies, i added a usergroup to Pri's script so it wont kick innocent people,

if you are not into metis and its scripts, there is another way, that is to use peergardian and Pri has the same blocklist for that progran,
however, you cant add a group of safe users to peergardian as it is purely an IP blocking program similar to a firewall.
Title: Re: unwelcome pests
Post by: Joshua203 on February 28, 2010, 02:14:11 pm
if you are having trouble trusting the word of a stranger i can only wonder what server you are using because you seem to be trusting that stranger and in my humble opinion it 's up to the host to learn how to protect their room so in this case learn how to handle a bot ...or just accept a nasty visit once in a while :suspious:
Title: Re: unwelcome pests
Post by: ]-[êll.Ôñ.ËÀR'][']-[. on February 28, 2010, 05:50:41 pm
There are plenty of tutorials on the site and a wealth of experience from the users of this site who kindly answer all bot questions and share scripts for anyone who requires there help...so not knowing is no excuse at all  :whistle:
Title: Re: unwelcome pests
Post by: Pri on March 03, 2010, 02:13:10 am
I can understand a bot kicking proxy servers automatically could be handy, but could also auto kick someone on a proxy who isnt about cloning and spamming, so its debatable what is a better method no doubt. there's also a lot of us who are inept at setting up bots (is me also!).

you may have just done a disservice to those who dont use bots, by removing the list, but I also understand taking the word of a "stranger" that the list is legit, isnt the easiest thing to do.

no hard feelings about it of course, its ok that honest help isnt acceptable lol

The reason that Omega removed your post is because although the IP's are accurate at the time you posted them over time they will not become accurate anymore. The IP's in your post will eventually not operate Proxy Servers anymore and then normal users on the service providers that distribute those IP's will get them. Which means in a few days, weeks or months the list you posted will no longer target proxy servers and will instead be targeting innocent users. You can't update your post later on down the line and other hosts may continue to use the list even when it is no longer useful for the blocking of Proxy Servers.

As omega showed I have a Metis Script and a Blocklist that I distribute with the script for hosts to use. But if you want to use your own blocklist with that script you are welcome to do so it includes a command (!setdownload [Link]) which lets you specify any blocklist you want instead of using mine. That way you can be assured the IP's in the list are to your standards. And to be honest I highly recommend others to consider doing there own lists and releasing them as the more lists we have the better the entire community can be served.

When I first started this list the Spammers did go from room to room spamming warnings about how the list would block legitimate users from the network and stop them from being able to talk in there chat rooms etc but as you correctly stated that was just them running scared as in-fact if you employ my blocklist (via the Metis Script or Peer Block/Peer Guardian) it has become incredibly hard to join your room under a Proxy.

I do understand that people have a fear when it comes to blocklists. For example there is always the legitimate concern that the maintainer of the blocklist could go rogue and put IP's in to it that are not Proxy Servers and are instead perhaps people he doesn't like on the network to diminish their experience on the network by restricting which rooms they can access. So I just wanted to bring this up because I would never do something like that with my blocklist. From day 1 I've only ever put Proxy Servers in the list and I will continue to do that. If people spam without using a proxy they won't be in this list, if people get banned in my room for breaking my rooms rules, they won't be in this list. And I also want to assure people that my blocklist allows me to remove an IP that has been previously added. So if for any reason an IP of a legitimate user is blocked (For example if a user ran a TOR exit node for a few hours but then stopped) I can send out an update to the Scripts and the Peer Guardian / PG2 users to remove the IP from there local cache of the blocklist. Any 'mistakes' made can be completely undone and pushed to all users of my blocklist in a few hours.

Another concern is obviously if this Proxy Blocker is very successful it will make using Proxies for everyday use by normal people difficult on the network. This is also a serious and legitimate concern. It is one of the reasons I provided a Metis compatible version of the blocklist (originally I only offered the file for PG2/Peer Block which blocks at an IP level similar to a firewall) as if you have users who regularly visit your room using a Proxy you can simply add a usergroup as Max has done to whitelist them from the blocking procedure. My personal opinion about Proxy use is its only acceptable in 1% of usage scenarios and that 1% is when your ISP and/or government is either blocking your access to WinMX or snooping on your data. In 99% of circumstances I believe that using a Proxy is not acceptable as when you join my room you don't have any rights as a user, you have connected to me, are sharing my bandwidth and participating in my room where I make the rules and provide access on my terms, people who want to join anonymously mean I lose the ability to ban that person in the event that they break any rule(s) and that is not the type of power I am willing to yield to just anyone.

But this ^ is just my personal policy, it is not something I dictate others to do or expect others to want to do. I provide the tools (all open source btw) to others so that you can use them as-is or you can modify them to fit your specific needs.

As I wrote before on this board I am willing to offer free hosting to anyone that wants to maintain a blocklist of there own for use with either my script or just Peer Guardian / Peer Block or for there own programs. Already Niko from the 'Movies n Beer' room has taken me up on that offer and is currently delivering her own blocklist for her room members to use to block tag stealers. Here is a link to her Blocklist hosted on my website: http://www.mxpulse.com/tag_stealer_blocklist/

She has full FTP access to that directory and can add, remove or update her blocklist at anytime she wants without my intervention. Just PM me if you have a blocklist you want to distribute and I am happy to host it for you if you need free hosting for one.
Title: Re: unwelcome pests
Post by: MinersLantern on March 07, 2010, 06:56:10 am
Oh boo-hoo.
I dl the current exit nodes from the tor network here and there once in awile and they dont get the access to speak unless their not from any current exit node ips. Been doing it for months. Works flawlessly. As in 100% chance the person is a spammer. Screw this idea of everything must be absolutely perfect in all situations or any dreamed combination of what 'may' happen. In the real world, tor is ungodly slow. There is no reason to use it at all except to hide yourself and (quickly) spam. The thing is too laggy and unstable to (oh I dont know.. download files) or even have a stable connection to the wpn.
That leaves only one reason to be on tor. Spam.
BTW. When my bot bans and drops them they (for some strange odd and bizzare reason) have simalar usernames.
Coincidence??? I dont think so.
'Free speech' is fine and dandy. IF tempered by common sense.
Title: Re: unwelcome pests
Post by: Pri on March 07, 2010, 10:59:15 am
If you viewed the TOR network as often as I did you would know that 200-300 new IP's come online on TOR per day. There is usually only 600 to 900 IP's on TOR active at any one time meaning around 66% to 33% of the IP's the spammers can use are brand new each day they attempt to spam. This means you need to update it frequently or you might as-well not be running anything.
Title: Re: unwelcome pests
Post by: Mytheroo on May 14, 2011, 02:32:43 pm
could metis be programmed to remove voice from proxied users, thus removing the room spam, but leaving the PM ability. That user could be private messaged with instructions on how to get voice back etc. I realise PM spam would still be an issue, but i find room spam 10x worse than PM spam. 
If you did it this way genuine proxied users wouldnt get kicked automatically
Title: Re: unwelcome pests
Post by: ~*~SELENA~*~ on June 28, 2011, 10:56:45 am
I agree we shouldnt concern ourselves with trivial room drama Omega but I dont think that we should leave many of the chats hosts without help or information if either are available, its not fair or right for a small minority to annoy the majority for no reason other that because they are socially challenged.

And furthers the opinion of other users that Ghostship must be in a relationship with a member from a certain room otherwise this whole debate would not seem to be so one sided.

Keep taking the medication old boy  :lol: :-D :lol:

I must say this has brought a large smile to my face  :-D I wonder what BS is going to be said next by Birdmans friends, one things for sure it certainly boosts the forum traffic  ;)


ok you caught us happy now? sorry ghost they got us now they all know (is so trying not to laugh while typing this)  Actually all joking aside ghost is very happily single fyi and not messing around with anyone, as one of his closest friends i'd have to say i couldnt resist jumping in on that and making a funny, we all need a good laugh now and then. LOL!!