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WinMX Help => Upload/Download Issues => Topic started by: Rob on May 11, 2009, 10:52:21 am

Title: Dramatic Drop In Upload Speed
Post by: Rob on May 11, 2009, 10:52:21 am
Hi Everyone,

I got a FiberPower60 Cabel connection, this means uploads and downloads with huge speeds.
Since about 5 days now the speeds on WinMx have dropped dramatically, I tested my connections but everything seems ok, only WinMx is terrebly slow all of a sudden.
I use WinMx v3.54 with the latest Eagle patch on Windows XP Service pack3.
Could it be there are problems at the moment with the WinMx connections?

Help is much appriciated.

Kind regards,

Rob
Title: Re: Dramatic Drop In Upload Speed
Post by: Savage Blades on May 11, 2009, 11:37:09 am
Hi Rob :)
Well ...
1. Are you running any other software that could be using available bandwidth ?
2. How long have you used winmx  ? The users getting files from you may not be able to take all you can give..
3. What happens if you progressively start multiple users in your upload queue.. for each new user you start ..there should be an increase in total upload bandwidth usage.
4. Have you checked 'Bandwidth Throttle' in winmx settings to see if upload has been limited ?
5. You could try changing the ports winmx uses.. for TCP & UDP say add a '5' to the front of current numbers but firewall and router may need to be adjusted also to allow change.
Hope this helps
Andy
Title: Re: Dramatic Drop In Upload Speed
Post by: Rob on May 11, 2009, 12:28:56 pm
Hi Andy,

Thanks very much for your quick reply.

1.  I am not using any other bandwith consuming software.
2.  I am using WinMx for about 8 years now.
3.  I allow 10 different uploaders at once, they all together can't reach more than a total upload speed of 25,000 B/s at the moment.     (Normally about 450,000 B/s)
4.  There are no 'Bandwidth Throttle' limitations.
5.  I tried your suggestion about cnanging port numbers, and made an adjustment in my Router, but this doesn't have any effect on the speed.

I'm afraid we have a unsolvable problem, maybe the problem dissapears one of these days as suddenly as it came, the strange thing is I have done no new installations or made changes in my PC.

I hope, especially for the uploaders of all my TV Series Pilots, period 1948-1989, that all will be good again, till then, sorry for the slow speed.

By Andy  :walk:

Rob
Title: Re: Dramatic Drop In Upload Speed
Post by: Savage Blades on May 11, 2009, 02:13:19 pm
cool a longtime user ..
so I am confident you know about Bandwidth throttle  settings in winmx then ;)
that is a devastating drop.. 450k down to 25k :(
port changes wont take full effect until winmx is closed and re-opened,
not sure if you already know this. ?
Title: Re: Dramatic Drop In Upload Speed
Post by: Rob on May 11, 2009, 04:01:45 pm
 :yes:

I am indeed a long time user, I have tried all I could think of, I have as last step, completely removed WinMx and re-istalled it.

Also re-installed MXMonitor.

Re configerd my Firewall and Router.

I wonder if your ISP can take very specific measures if they see your uploading almost day and night with a specific program, but that is searching too far maybe, because I don't have up and download limts.

I'm 10 minutes online now, but i don't see any traffic at all yes. :x

I guess I just have to wait patiencely :firefox:
Title: Re: Dramatic Drop In Upload Speed
Post by: Forested665 on May 11, 2009, 07:53:15 pm
They could very well be throttling the port.
Maybe change to one they expect traffic on like 20?
Title: Re: Dramatic Drop In Upload Speed
Post by: Rob on May 13, 2009, 10:15:24 am
 :)

Hi,

I have connected directly to my Modem, without using my Netgear Router.
The speed went up again, as usual.
The strange thing, Shareaza, Ares or Limewire don't have any problems with the Router.

Unfortunally I have to use the Router because of other computers in the house, so down goes the speed again on WinMx....

Any suggestions left?

Greetings,

Rob
Title: Re: Dramatic Drop In Upload Speed
Post by: Savage Blades on May 13, 2009, 12:19:03 pm
yep :P another suggestion then
look into third party firmware for your router
DD-WRT http://www.dd-wrt.com/dd-wrtv3/dd-wrt/hardware.html
or try enabling DMZ for the pc ip that hosts winmx..
so have you only recently started using this router ??
Title: Re: Dramatic Drop In Upload Speed
Post by: Rob on May 13, 2009, 02:45:37 pm
Hi,

It's a Netgear WNR 3500 router, this one is not supported on that website.

I'm using it for some months now.

My English is reasonable but I don't know what this means "or try enabling DMZ for the pc ip that hosts winmx.."

Greetings,

Rob
Title: Re: Dramatic Drop In Upload Speed
Post by: Savage Blades on May 13, 2009, 02:52:19 pm
DMZ is a setting in the router
please consult your manual or google router make model DMZ
should find a guide easy
however you said originally
Since about 5 days now the speeds on WinMx have dropped dramatically
yet been using router for months wonder what has changed
you could try reset the router to factory defaults
but then will need to re-do all settings :(
Cheers
Title: Re: Dramatic Drop In Upload Speed
Post by: Rob on May 14, 2009, 10:19:32 am
 :thumbs:

I've taken the following steps

Setup in the Router > Advanced > WAN Setup > (Activate) Default DMZ Server > (Fill in) IP 192.168.1.2

The speed starts to increase again, hope it will be back at normal in a short time :D
Title: Re: Dramatic Drop In Upload Speed
Post by: Rob on May 15, 2009, 11:30:52 am
 :no:

Well, that didn't help eventually :/

Back at slow upload speed again.

The only thing I can think of is buying a new Router wich has NAT/DMZ Host Setup possibilities.


Greetings,

Rob :hrmm:
Title: Re: Dramatic Drop In Upload Speed
Post by: Savage Blades on May 15, 2009, 11:45:04 am
hmmm ok
so did the speed go up to normal when you first tried DMZ ?
have you tried resetting router to default.. ?
is there an option to disable router firewall ?

"using router for months" wonder what has changed ?
It was giving full speed with winmx ?
did you do a firmware update ?
have you checked to see if one is available ?
Title: Re: Dramatic Drop In Upload Speed
Post by: Rob on May 21, 2009, 07:52:44 pm
 :no:

I've tried eveything now, even with a direct connection through my modem, not using the router, the speed stays dramaticly low, for up and downloads.

I am a rather experienced  PC user, buy I give up now.

Maybe one day the speed increases as suddenly as it went down.

Bye :walk:
Title: Re: Dramatic Drop In Upload Speed
Post by: GhostShip on May 21, 2009, 11:28:41 pm
From reading here it seems that your particular ISP does not throttle but they do shape traffic (meaning they slow it down) and they are connected to/partnered with a larger network that may hit your speeds without the knowledge of your ISP

http://www.azureuswiki.com/index.php/ISPs_that_are_bad_for_BT#Netherlands

Bad news all around I say.
Title: Re: Dramatic Drop In Upload Speed
Post by: Rob on May 22, 2009, 03:20:51 pm
Bad news indeed.

The strange thing, when I perform speed tests, the average is 5 mbps down and 4 mbps up, wich is rather high, I think.

I will see if I can do anything with the link you sent, but this gets very technical and my English ain't that good.

Greetings from The Netherlands

Title: Re: Dramatic Drop In Upload Speed
Post by: Forested665 on May 22, 2009, 11:57:06 pm
have you ever heard of speed/Frame/Packet burst?
Its a technique used by ALOT of ISPs esp cable companies. When a connection is started its allowed (in america on average) 3-10 seconds of 800kbps or more download and then it gets throttled back to about 100-220kbps per connection. Its not alot of time but it definately puts a slam on speed tests and the ones that test for lengths of time give you averages so it looks level
Title: Re: Dramatic Drop In Upload Speed
Post by: ñòóKýçrÕôK on May 25, 2009, 01:18:09 am
I would say the first thing you should do is go to your isp's site and see what kind of fair use policy they have. They won't call it "Our Throttling and Packet Shaping Policy". See if they've changed it to only allowing so much bandwidth per month and how long they shape it after you've crossed that limit. It could be a rolling set of days meaning that if you hit your limit on the 25th it's shaped for a month or even just for a day which could explain the highs and lows in bandwidth now.

From reading here it seems that your particular ISP does not throttle but they do shape traffic (meaning they slow it down) and they are connected to/partnered with a larger network that may hit your speeds without the knowledge of your ISP

http://www.azureuswiki.com/index.php/ISPs_that_are_bad_for_BT#Netherlands

Bad news all around I say.

I would say likely Quicks is right on the money. :(
Title: Re: Dramatic Drop In Upload Speed
Post by: Rob on June 02, 2009, 01:04:11 pm
Hi Everyone,

My ISP has admitted, in press interviews, after a huge amount of complaints from their users in the month of May, that it is using traffic shaping.

This goes at the cost of usenet and P2P traffic and in advantage of surfing, online gaming, voip and MSN.

The reason wich is suspected for this behaviour is that they have introduced Fiber Power60 and 120 (mbps) and now come short of bandwith due to these high speed packages.

So now I got and pay extra for FiberPower 60 (60 mbps download/6mbps upload, with an actual upload speed on P2P of 0,30 mbps) makes you wanna cry, don't it.

And what to do about it, I really don't know, other ISP's have a maximum upload of 1 mbps.

Greetings from the Netherlands.
Title: Re: Dramatic Drop In Upload Speed
Post by: Forested665 on June 02, 2009, 05:36:56 pm
If theyre shorting you on 30mbps why would they not short the 60 and 120? thats kind of dumb move for your isp to make since most people cant even utilize a 60mbps connection.
Title: Re: Dramatic Drop In Upload Speed
Post by: Rob on June 02, 2009, 08:05:52 pm
Hi, 0.30 mbps that is , not 30 mbps
Title: Re: Dramatic Drop In Upload Speed
Post by: Forested665 on June 02, 2009, 08:23:10 pm
thats a 300kb line. those are usually ADSL
Title: Re: Dramatic Drop In Upload Speed
Post by: Joshua203 on June 03, 2009, 07:35:51 pm
Just when i was having doubts to start trusting UPC/chello, great timing (for me anyways because i have not made the switch yet)

it s also really a mistory to me why people think they need such speeds at those prices but hey that s just my opinion

Rob if they do not deliver give them a written complaint with a time limit for them to correct the low performance and start delivering what they promise, if they don t ... move away (i think that would be your right)

greetings from a fellow dutchman and goodluck solving this  :thumbs:
Title: Re: Dramatic Drop In Upload Speed
Post by: Joshua203 on June 03, 2009, 07:56:28 pm
reading back and thinking alittle longer about this:

at some point you stated that the router was the issue

now i am not sure if this helps but what makes my router more at ease (no attacks and floods in the error log, no router "puking") is that i have added the IP's from the blocklist to my router firewall

however the speed was not influenced by that traffic it just caused some other trouble in my case but it might be worth a shot ;-)
Title: Re: Dramatic Drop In Upload Speed
Post by: Rob on June 03, 2009, 10:32:13 pm
Hi Joshua,

You lost me on this one, what blocklist you mean and how excactly to proceed, I don't know what "puking" is either..

Maybe you can give the answer in English and Dutch, in this way evereone in the world can benefit from it and I understand better caus my English ain't all that good.

Greetings
Title: Re: Dramatic Drop In Upload Speed
Post by: Forested665 on June 03, 2009, 11:48:57 pm
puke means to vomit.
The blocklist is the one used by the patch automatically found here: http://www.winmxworld.com/files/block_list.txt
not all routers support this feature though.
Title: Re: Dramatic Drop In Upload Speed
Post by: Joshua203 on June 04, 2009, 08:12:06 am
thnx forested

what i mean with "puking" (cause i don t think this is a technical term) is ... too much traffic in and router starts rejecting and disconnecting stuff

BTW i ld be happy to do this in dutch but i think it would be better if you post in the dutch section a little further down on the forumboard(WinMX World Nederlandse Hulp)

but i really think forested said it all except that the blocklist is the anti flood list winmx uses to protect itself and the network
Title: Re: Dramatic Drop In Upload Speed
Post by: Rob on June 13, 2009, 08:36:41 pm
 :lol:

Guess what, I''ve been trying all sorts of P2P applications, and there is one that works great, it's called SoulSeek, I don't know what this programm does to avoids traffic shaping ( AKA bandwith squeezing) , but it works great!
Title: Re: Dramatic Drop In Upload Speed
Post by: White Stripes on June 13, 2009, 09:46:00 pm
ares galaxy is another good one (make sure to get the one from sourceforge) once you get used to its sometimes really odd quirks...

make sure you have pg2 installed (and updated) as well when using ares... or any p2p for that matter... the blocklist for MX blocks for MX but not the rest of the p2p apps users may be running....

and of course theres the good ol standby of bittorrent....
Title: Re: Dramatic Drop In Upload Speed
Post by: wonderer on June 14, 2009, 04:27:43 am
If you use soulseek, be certain you have the very best antivirus software you can find or you wil be loosing loads of time to recover and clean infections if not loosing loads of files :(
Title: Re: Dramatic Drop In Upload Speed
Post by: White Stripes on June 14, 2009, 08:37:08 am
www.avast.com (if you already dont have an up to date resident virus scanner)

they have a free version linked right on the front page and it even has a resident p2p scanning system along with the usual resident scanner....

truth be told a resident virus scanner should be standard fare on a windows machine regardless if you are downloading from p2p (winmx included) or just surfing the web...
Title: Re: Dramatic Drop In Upload Speed
Post by: Rob on June 15, 2009, 07:02:28 pm
Hi,

I don't quite understand what your message about Avast Anti Virus has to do with this whole issue????????

 :/
Title: Re: Dramatic Drop In Upload Speed
Post by: wonderer on June 15, 2009, 10:04:19 pm
As Silver tries to tell, A resident, which means a running antivirus program, should be at least one of the applications your windows machine is running. No matter if you just explore the web or use any P2P program.

The matter on anti virus was brought up by me, warning you about the use of soulseek which is one of the best known virus infectors. So, use it with great care expecting every file you download to be infected.
Title: Re: Dramatic Drop In Upload Speed
Post by: Rob on June 27, 2009, 11:15:25 am
Been trying UTorrent.

Up and download speeds around 470 kB/s !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :thumbs:

WinMx still almost no speeds. :sleepy:

Anyone got an explenation for this, I am totally confused :x


Best regards


Title: Re: Dramatic Drop In Upload Speed
Post by: Joshua203 on June 28, 2009, 11:05:10 am
well provided that you are a long time user and asuming for that reason that your winmx settings are not limiting speed, ports are open, ip is static, and no protection program is interfering....

there s just about one answer to this i think... you gave it yourself allready and your provider has admitted it

if all the above is correct there is nothing to be confused about anymore and the choice is simple ... do you let your isp get away with not giving what you payed for or not?

you could still try a few port changes but i doubt if that will do anything (and while you are at it.. check if the up/down limits are off ..just to be sure)

usually when an isp throttles you it will be done at busy hours and not all 24 hours, maybe worth checking at other  hours?
Title: Re: Dramatic Drop In Upload Speed
Post by: Joshua203 on June 28, 2009, 11:19:04 am
On the other hand: when i see you write this:

I have connected directly to my Modem, without using my Netgear Router.
The speed went up again, as usual.

it would point at the router not correctly set up
Title: Re: Dramatic Drop In Upload Speed
Post by: Rob on June 28, 2009, 01:03:20 pm
Hi Joshua,


All setting are ok, but how do you explane UTorrent speeds like hell and Winmx just won't go?


Title: Re: Dramatic Drop In Upload Speed
Post by: Bluey_412 on June 28, 2009, 01:30:34 pm
One Word:

Patch

Which one are you using?

the Community Patch resolves a number of issues...
Title: Re: Dramatic Drop In Upload Speed
Post by: Bluey_412 on June 28, 2009, 02:00:44 pm
actually, interesting that you only nominate uploads as slowed...

for all or just some, and only recently?

theres lots of factors at play here, but it could be something as boring as your source being slow too
Title: Re: Dramatic Drop In Upload Speed
Post by: Bluey_412 on June 28, 2009, 02:02:53 pm
ohh, duhh, i mean the ppl downloading from you bein slow
Title: Re: Dramatic Drop In Upload Speed
Post by: Rob on June 28, 2009, 02:13:18 pm
I got the latest community patch 1.0 by Eagle

The thing is, programs like WinMx, LimeWire, Ares, Shareaza all are slow

But Utorrent has huge up and download speeds and SoulSeek is rather fast too.

Looks like the traffic generated by these programs somehow don't get noticed by the ISP and aint slowed down.

I made a written complaint with my ISP, one of the answers except that they perform Traffic Shaping was that in their tems of conditions there are no promises of a minimal delivered speed :!:
Title: Re: Dramatic Drop In Upload Speed
Post by: Forested665 on July 03, 2009, 06:57:54 pm
Again traffic shaping can be the reason utorrent is blazing fast. If you get 5mb ps for the first 20 seconds of every connection and your making over 5000 connections per second on utorrent all to different people your going to get your max speed where as on limewire and winmx your making one connection to one person for a very long time. and they can prolly only get about 300kb/s max. if you get shaped then well..