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Title: Peerguardian Blocklist Alternative ?
Post by: birdman on July 06, 2009, 08:07:21 am
Just wondering what peoples thoughts are on the following link is it useful and maybe an alternative to peerguardian

http://nexus23.org/warfare/content/view/17/34/
Title: Re:Peerguardian Blocklist Alternative ?
Post by: birdman on July 06, 2009, 09:27:13 am
Sorry what i was saying is not an alternative to peerguardian but an alternative list to use instead of its default bluetack lists  using the peergurdianX list with peergurdian
Title: Re: Peerguardian Blocklist Alternative ?
Post by: GhostShip on July 06, 2009, 09:57:32 am
I,ll take a peek Birdman, what has killed Blutak is the fact their lists are indescriminate and in most cases blocking IPs no longer used by attackers, any new list will need very active and responsible compilers , although we got winmx covered it was always a disappointment bluetak never cleaned up their listings.
Title: Re:Peerguardian Blocklist Alternative ?
Post by: GhostShip on July 06, 2009, 10:17:37 am
From my first viewings it seems the concept of not blocking forever is strong in this group and for that I commend them but what I also read was that this list is focused predominantly on Emule, it would maybe be a good idea to make contact with this group and offer them our WinMX blocklist findings as they can be validated by anyone with a brain and a few basic tools and then add our network to the list of those they cover.
Title: Re: Peerguardian Blocklist Alternative ?
Post by: birdman on July 06, 2009, 10:28:22 am
It would be interesting to see if contact and the addition of winmx blocklist can be made i also see how they do not like to block an ip forever like bluetack do i have never heard of this group before and only came accross them back accident there seems to be 3 lists availible  for emule, uttorent and for peergurdian  same lists but to work with the diff programes.
Title: Re: Peerguardian Blocklist Alternative ?
Post by: birdman on July 06, 2009, 10:51:43 am
I found this interview very interesting to read on these guys
http://www.zeropaid.com/news/9540/exclusive_ipfilterx__the_new_antip2p_ipblocklist_on_the_web/
Title: Re: Peerguardian Blocklist Alternative ?
Post by: birdman on July 06, 2009, 11:15:09 am
Sorry for a further post but the edit button does not seem to be appearing so i cant add it to previous post. Another interview very intersting especialy the part that they are fighting to take over the default list of peerguardian! i think ive read enough and am going to add their list and their list alone to peergurdian as i use other networks  than winmx and will feel a little more at ease as to who is connecting to me. Anyway here the other interview of interest  sorry for the mutliple posts


http://www.integrityp2p.com/portal/forums/showthread.php?t=17938
Title: Re: Peerguardian Blocklist Alternative ?
Post by: White Stripes on July 06, 2009, 03:34:55 pm
98kb for their list beats the crap out of 3+mb for blutack......
Title: Re: Peerguardian Blocklist Alternative ?
Post by: birdman on July 06, 2009, 04:17:08 pm
Ive run the blocklist from the above group through peergurdian (peergurdianX.zip list) now for a few hours, ive had blocked hits when opening the chat rooms listing and when searching for "movie"  iam not sure if thats a good or bad thing as they are just ips to me lol  found it interesting that opening the chat rooms listing one of the blocked ips is a virgin media one  oh and also iam running my winmx on primary if that matters ive also noted the whittaker ip range recently blocked by winmx word is also in their block list :-)
Title: Re: Peerguardian Blocklist Alternative ?
Post by: birdman on July 07, 2009, 08:47:42 am
Has anyone else tried this groups blocklist with peergurdian or utorrent, opinions is it a viable list worth people using p2p using ?
Title: Re: Peerguardian Blocklist Alternative ?
Post by: Forested665 on July 07, 2009, 02:38:23 pm
Go ahead the same companies target other p2p as well.
Title: Re: Peerguardian Blocklist Alternative ?
Post by: birdman on July 09, 2009, 07:49:01 pm
Rather than manualy updating the above nexus groups blocklist theres a url you can add to peergurdian so it will update automaticaly here:

http://iblocklist.com/lists.php for a list of block lists

the actual url  for nexus blocklist for peergurdian is      http://list.iblocklist.com/?list=nxs23_ipfilterx
Title: Re: Peerguardian Blocklist Alternative ?
Post by: Spartan on July 10, 2009, 05:22:20 am
Personally I would suggest to not use I-Blocklist ,
the dude that runs it does not update ipfilterX fast as emulefuture.de ,
check out http://ip-filter.emulefuture.de/
Title: Re: Peerguardian Blocklist Alternative ?
Post by: Forested665 on July 10, 2009, 03:47:53 pm
The problem to me is both of these seem region specific.
Title: Re: Peerguardian Blocklist Alternative ?
Post by: White Stripes on July 10, 2009, 11:12:37 pm
other than different file comments in the iblocklist source of nexus i see nothing different or 'regional' between the 3 sources (sourceforge, iblocklist, and emulefuture)
/me looks in bacon/forested 665s direction

anyone care to do an exact comparison of addresses blocked?

note: iblocklist changes the comments and adds leading zeros but '222.133.028.128' and '222.133.28.128' are the same address *pokes bacon/forested 665*....

note to everone else: the pestering of '665' was cos of the confusion caused over IM by using 127.000.000.001 as an example of leading zeros in an ip... ;)
Title: Re: Peerguardian alternative ?
Post by: birdman on July 11, 2009, 07:30:49 am
oh dear i hope i have not done somthing bad in bringing this blocklist to peoples attention ?
Title: Re: Peerguardian alternative ?
Post by: $i£ve®$haÐów on July 11, 2009, 09:02:09 am
You are so good how could you ever do anything so bad? pmsl
Title: Re: Peerguardian alternative ?
Post by: GhostShip on July 11, 2009, 09:16:14 am
I think I can speak for all the folks in this instance Birdman, we are always happy to have new information and tools that help users enjoy a trouble free peer to peer experience, you have done nothing wrong  :)
Title: Re: Peerguardian alternative ?
Post by: birdman on July 11, 2009, 09:36:29 am
phew ! ok iam glad i am not in the bad books :-P    ive been using the blocklist from nexus32 corp  ( IpfiterX)  through peerguardian  with the list update url from I-Blocklist site and have seen it update a few times  indeed there is an extensive range of blocklists at http://iblocklist.com/lists.php  but ive gone for the nexus one after reading up on that particular group and their aims.
Title: Re: Peerguardian alternative ?
Post by: birdman on August 08, 2009, 10:58:53 pm
As ive been asked a few times now what the url is to add to peerguardian for the nexus blocklist i thought i would post it again as in my opinion it is a good blocklist to use with peerguardian especialy if you use other networks like torrents

the url to add to peergurdian is    http://list.iblocklist.com/?list=nxs23_ipfilterx
set it to block and it will also auto update aswell.
Title: Re: Peerguardian alternative ?
Post by: Spartan on August 10, 2009, 04:33:09 am
Hi ,
do not use the iblocklist site , we wrote to iblocklist owner warning him to not post the ipfilterX list over there ,
so go to emulefuture.de for grabbing the latest ipfilterX update .
Title: Re: Peerguardian alternative ?
Post by: birdman on August 10, 2009, 07:32:33 am
Yes i see that Iblocklist has been removed from the Nexus page who provide ipfilterX anymore info why ?  so now it seems you can only update the ipfilterX list manualy from the other sites which is a shame as using it with peergurdian it was handy having a url for it to auto update from.
Title: Re: Peerguardian alternative ?
Post by: Spartan on August 10, 2009, 09:29:29 am
As far as I know you can add the link of emulefuture.de for autoupdating the filter ,
http://ip-filter.emulefuture.de/ .

I-blocklist links also lists that block all the providers of a whole country .
Internet isn't born to be banned in some country rather than another ,
no one should support similar behaviors . That 's our opinion .
Title: Re: Peerguardian alternative ?
Post by: birdman on August 10, 2009, 10:38:32 am
I agree thats why i started using Ipfilterx as the opinions of the Nexus23 group are what apealed to me regarding what to block etc. It seems the url you posted though does not work in peergurdian so the only way of updating your peergurdian list is by manualy adding the list from one of the sites mentioned on the Nexus23.org  site
Title: Re: Peerguardian alternative ?
Post by: wonderer on August 10, 2009, 01:30:08 pm
A link to the edonkey network ip bloklist for use in peerguardian would be

http://ip-filter.emulefuture.de/download.php?file=ipfilter.p2p (http://ip-filter.emulefuture.de/download.php?file=ipfilter.p2p)

You should be aware however this IP-list is created for use in emule and emule-mods and does most likely not cover the entire range WinMx would need.
 
Blocking too much on one side and too little on the other to make clear what I mean with covering
Title: Re: Peerguardian alternative ?
Post by: birdman on August 10, 2009, 06:37:43 pm
That url works wonderer ;)   i thought the IpfilterX was useful to use for any p2p network not just specificaly emule, as regards winmx surely what the ipfilter list didnt get the winmx patch would ?
Title: Re: Peerguardian alternative ?
Post by: wonderer on August 10, 2009, 10:36:05 pm
It is the same with all IP-lists, at least what I see of it, many of the IP in the list will never attempt to contact you, on the other hand, the listbuilders might miss IP pounding your ports like crazy. It is just a gamble who is in your range to bug you. So to be on the "safe" side you can start with a list that pretends to hold most IP that may or may not do you harm.

Ideally you would have an IP-blocker that could analyse the traffic on packet contents and block whenever it is suspicious, just like the community patch blocks fake files.

This said, no list then when it contains 0.0.0.0-255.255.255.255 covers all. And as you will understand, such a list is unusable though it will be very safe.
 
Title: Re: Peerguardian alternative ?
Post by: Spartan on August 12, 2009, 04:04:31 pm
A link to the edonkey network ip bloklist for use in peerguardian would be

http://ip-filter.emulefuture.de/download.php?file=ipfilter.p2p (http://ip-filter.emulefuture.de/download.php?file=ipfilter.p2p)

You should be aware however this IP-list is created for use in emule and emule-mods and does most likely not cover the entire range WinMx would need.
 
Blocking too much on one side and too little on the other to make clear what I mean with covering


Completely false .
WinMx blocklist is added , and as said in the summary of IpfilterX page it DOES NOT COVER ONLY
ed2k network , at least not anymore since 2 years or so .
Title: Re: Peerguardian alternative ?
Post by: Spartan on August 12, 2009, 04:07:07 pm
The guys at emulefuture provided better links now :

http://ip-filter.emulefuture.de/download.p...le=ipfilter.p2p

or

http://ip-filter.emulefuture.de/download.p...pfilter.p2p.zip
Title: Re: Peerguardian alternative ?
Post by: birdman on August 12, 2009, 05:46:07 pm
Those urls dont seem to work Spartan, i kinda get the feeling your involved in the IpfilterX list ?
Title: Re: Peerguardian Blocklist Alternative ?
Post by: Spartan on August 12, 2009, 06:07:01 pm
Well , Karl gave me them for good .
But you should add manually , i think .
It's the cost of free help for protection .
Ye I'm part of the Nexus23 Team
Title: Re: Peerguardian Blocklist Alternative ?
Post by: wonderer on August 12, 2009, 07:31:14 pm
FYI.

The link Spartan provided as a better link happens to be the same as the working link in my post with the covering warning.
Spartans statement WinMx blocklist is included may be or may not be true, at least it is not as actual asa the WinMx blocklist as the emule blocklist is updated in a far lower frequency as the WinMx blocklist.
The current emule list is dated august 6 2009

So http://ip-filter.emulefuture.de/download.php?file=ipfilter.p2p  (http://ip-filter.emulefuture.de/download.php?file=ipfilter.p2p)to add to PeerGuardian as blocked

or http://ip-filter.emulefuture.de/download.php?file=ipfilter.p2p.zip  (http://ip-filter.emulefuture.de/download.php?file=ipfilter.p2p.zip) if you want a zipped version of the file.


Title: Re: Peerguardian Blocklist Alternative ?
Post by: Spartan on August 13, 2009, 06:23:11 am
Why it should be called "emule list" it's up only to wonderer .
Title: Re: Peerguardian Blocklist Alternative ?
Post by: Joshua203 on August 13, 2009, 11:09:53 am
Quote
The current emule list is dated august 6 2009

and the last change in the winmx list was ???

it may be true that winmx updates more frequently and in case of an emergency this is great but that list does not change that often ussually does it
Title: Re: Peerguardian Blocklist Alternative ?
Post by: wonderer on August 13, 2009, 11:38:05 am
I call it "the emule list" while it is available at the site of emule future, easy ain't it?
Title: Re: Peerguardian Blocklist Alternative ?
Post by: birdman on August 13, 2009, 01:05:59 pm
If you use just winmx  with the community patch then the winmx built in bloclist will probably protect you from most baddies, but surely if using other networks like torrents then your going to need further protection and as most people agree the blocklists from bluetack block most of the internet so of little use. After reading the Nexus23   info on their IpfilterX list it seems that could be used with peergurdian and offer some protection on other networks or am i wrong in this thought ?
Title: Re: Peerguardian Blocklist Alternative ?
Post by: wonderer on August 13, 2009, 03:54:57 pm
It is in my opinion, and I mentioned this before, whatever standard blocklist you use, most likely you are blocking too much on one side and too little on the other.

Every application has its own "bad guys" trying to disturb your traffic. The blocklist builders are doing their best to protect you as good as possible, bluetack might be overdoing by blocking entire ranges when only one IP in that range is doing bad things. I wont be surprised when they would block their own IP whenever that would fall in such a range. :)
Title: Re: Peerguardian Blocklist Alternative ?
Post by: Forested665 on August 13, 2009, 07:57:47 pm
im still confused since this thread was about software? is there a way to tag threads like this so that they show up in a search like a keyword system.
Title: Re: Peerguardian Blocklist Alternative ?
Post by: birdman on August 13, 2009, 10:23:53 pm
Peerguardian is software and the discussion here is about a list to use with it
Title: Re: Peerguardian Blocklist Alternative ?
Post by: ]2aven (R.I.P.) on August 13, 2009, 10:49:08 pm
Well if you've seen my screener in the host section then you can understand why I'm now using peer guardian. I use the WMW blocklist with it. They seem to do a good job and keeping it updated with the latest anti p2p ips. I'ts the only way I can seem to block those.
Title: Re: Peerguardian Blocklist Alternative ?
Post by: birdman on August 14, 2009, 08:14:35 am
I think what forested is saying is this topic is not about software but rather a list to use with software (peerguardian) and could have a better topic heading and maybe be in a different section, maybe a site admin could rectify this ;)
Title: Re: Peerguardian Blocklist Alternative ?
Post by: GhostShip on August 14, 2009, 09:22:52 am
Done.
Title: Re: Peerguardian Blocklist Alternative ?
Post by: birdman on August 14, 2009, 09:36:30 am
Thanx :)
Title: Re: Peerguardian Blocklist Alternative ?
Post by: BoneMan on September 14, 2009, 10:27:55 pm
When I'm using the Peerguardian List: http://ip-filter.emulefuture.de/download.php?file=ipfilter.p2p , it constantly locks up PG2 and causes it to crash ... Would there be any reason for this ? Or is this is just shotty Vista exuding more awesomeness?
Title: Re: Peerguardian Blocklist Alternative ?
Post by: ]2aven (R.I.P.) on September 14, 2009, 11:44:01 pm
There is a version for Vista / Windows 7 .. http://phrosty.phoenixlabs.org/pg2-rc1/  since it's still a release canidate, you may experience some bugs. I had to try a couple different ones until I found one that didn't crash. I think I ended up with this one .. PG2 6b (nt).