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Title: Peerblock an alternative to Peerguardian
Post by: Blitzen on May 06, 2010, 03:30:32 pm

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PeerBlock lets you control who your computer "talks to" on the Internet.  By selecting appropriate lists of "known bad" computers, you can block communication with advertising or spyware oriented servers, computers monitoring your p2p activities, computers which have been "hacked", even entire countries!  They can't get in to your computer, and your computer won't try to send them anything either.

And best of all, it's free!

Download at www.peerblock.com

Userguide is here http://www.peerblock.com/userguide


One of it`s draw backs is that it uses as default the blocklist from Bluetack for blocking anti p2p which has suffered allot of controversy. But it can be unselected and other lists used as alternatives. A well maintained anti p2p blocklist and worth considering is from http://nexus23.org/warfare/content/view/17/34/1/0/  the url to add to peerblock for the list and for it to update automatically is http://ip-filter.emulefuture.de/download.php?file=ipfilter.p2p

A vast selection of blocklists that can also be used can be found at http://iblocklist.com/

Title: Re: Peerblock an alternative to Peerguardian
Post by: GhostShip on May 19, 2010, 12:15:19 pm
A thought just crossed my mind Blitzen, does this program have the single update per day issue that Peer Guardian has ?

Also I know you like this program but what lists are you suggesting folks use as a bad set of lists means folks will be blocking each other without knowing it, can you actually suggest some valid lists that are not full of dynamic IP's that most folks use ?
Title: Re: Peerblock an alternative to Peerguardian
Post by: Blitzen on May 19, 2010, 12:37:44 pm
I was not aware there was an issue with peerguardian 1 day update ?  if you mean does peerblock have the option to auto update every 1 day then yes it does. From what i can make out peerblock has pretty much been re written on the basis of peerguardian i have personally had not problems with it like with peerguardian when it use to crash and slow the computer from closing down etc. But there is a forum on the site and a section for suggestions and ideas aswell as the source code www.peerblock.com

As regards blocklists i persoanlly use the ipfilterX  lists but i think it is maybe up to people to decide by reading up on the list authors information as to wether they want to use a list or not. I have just found good comments around different network forums about certain blocklists. I did try the primary threats blocklist which was at the time the only blocklist that contained the Trident Media Guard ip ranges that was reported about on torrent freak recently, but i found the primary threats list blocked msn lol but i dont know maybe thats a good thing ?
Anyway there is a section of lists here http://iblocklist.com/lists.php   with info about the authors and so forth.

As regards checking lists for dynamic ips are you trying to keep me busy for the next few years ? lol
Title: Re: Peerblock an alternative to Peerguardian
Post by: Blitzen on May 19, 2010, 01:10:43 pm
Sorry for the double post but for some read the modify option is not available

Anyway here is a quote from peerblock FAQ

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PeerBlock is actually based on the same code used to create PeerGuardian - specifically, the "PG2 RC1 Test3" Vista beta version.  That code had a LOT of bugs in it, and hadn't been updated for about two years.  So I started up this PeerBlock project to fix all those things that's been annoying me for so long.  A bunch of other people decided to pitch in and help out, some with development, some with testing, and now we're where we are today.

So compared with old PeerGuardian software, PeerBlock is much more stable, doesn't require nearly so many hacks/workarounds to get working on Vista/Win7, and is actually under active development . . . so we can (and will!) actually respond to new bug reports or feature requests.


And from the stable release notes

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What's New?
Many, many changes are present in this release versus the most recent Stable Release, PeerBlock 0.9.2 (r86).  Here are the highlights, you can check out the Changes page for more details.

Signed Driver - We now have a signed driver!  If you're using a 64-bit version of Windows Vista or 7, you will no longer need to test-sign the driver, or hit F8 during boot, or anything else.  It should all just work!
iBlocklist Lists - We've updated our standard list URLs to point at iblocklist.com lists instead of the original peerguardian.sourceforge.net ones.  They are faster, and are much more reliable - no more "Error contacting URL" messages!  We will also upgrade your pre-existing lists from sourceforge.net hosted ones to iblocklist.com ones.  Also note that the "Gov" list has been removed, since its contents were merged with the "P2P" list long ago.
Installer Rewrite - Our newest Dev Team member, XhmikosR, has pretty much completely rewritten the installer from scratch.  Most importantly, it should actually work now, even during uninstall!  (Not that you'll ever want to uninstall PeerBlock, of course, but just in case...)
Updated List Manager - Reworked this window a bit, to make it easier to get back to the lists originally presented to you in the Startup Wizard.
Allowed Connections Displayed - By default, the "Show allowed connections" option will be disabled.  (This is due to performance reasons, as the tool will consume considerably more CPU if displaying of allowed connections is enabled.)  We are still logging the first 9 allowed packets though, so that you know that we're actually working!
Save Settings - We've added a "Save" button to the settings panel, so that you can be sure your settings updates have been saved.
List Verification - After downloading an updated list, we'll now make sure that the file contains at least one ip-address range before we'll overwrite your old list.  This way you will be protected against your lists being corrupted while downloading them.



Title: Re: Peerblock an alternative to Peerguardian
Post by: Blitzen on May 19, 2010, 01:16:54 pm
Here is a little interview on zeropaid with one of the team  (KarlX)  who runs the ipfilterX blocklist that i use

http://www.zeropaid.com/news/9540/exclusive_ipfilterx__the_new_antip2p_ipblocklist_on_the_web/
Title: Re: Peerblock an alternative to Peerguardian
Post by: Blitzen on May 19, 2010, 02:17:26 pm
Another interesting read is the following but i cannot find the date this research was done :(

http://www.cs.ucr.edu/~anirban/Anir-networking07.pdf

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1. Consequence of ignoring blocklists: A user without any knowledge of
blocklists, will almost certainly be monitored by blocklisted IPs. We found
that all our clients exchanged data with blocklisted IPs. In fact, of all distinct
IPs contacted by any client, 12-17% were found to be listed on blocklists.
2. A little information goes a long way: We nd that avoiding just the top
5 blocklisted IPs reduces the chance of being monitored to about 1%. This
is a consequence of a skewed preference distribution: we nd that the top
5 blocklist ranges encountered during our experiments contribute to nearly
94% of all blocklist hits.

Sorry for multiple posts but the modify button is not showing ?
Title: Re: Peerblock an alternative to Peerguardian
Post by: Max™ on May 19, 2010, 06:57:06 pm
Well most of you know what im like for testing stuff, all the servers, bots, clients,
tested Peer Block and... it didnt like Pri's proxy list, kept saying was invalid and failed to initiate,
it does look identical to Peer Guardian, this makes it easy to recognise things for someone swapping over to it,
but to be honest, i prefer Peer Guardian.
Title: Re: Peerblock an alternative to Peerguardian
Post by: Max™ on May 19, 2010, 08:04:38 pm
Ok i did more testing, reset everything and stared again,
added Pri's proxy block list, it worked this time,
then it wouldn't load lists from PG2 like it said it could import settings and lists, it wouldn't see my list,
i still prefer PG2, but i will add to my site under the PG2 section as an alternative & let people make up their own mind.
Title: Re: Peerblock an alternative to Peerguardian
Post by: Blitzen on May 19, 2010, 08:14:36 pm
If you have any problems with Peerblock Max report it on their forum they claim to deal with any issues promptly ;)
Title: Re: Peerblock an alternative to Peerguardian
Post by: Pri on May 19, 2010, 08:16:05 pm
The main reason for running Peer Block is that it's still under development. Peer Guardian is 'Abandon-ware' hasn't been updated in 3 years. Now usually this would be fine except that Peer Guardian requires a driver to be loaded and they do not have a driver that works on Windows 64-bit (Vista / Win 7) and also due to its low-level nature it is very temperamental when it meets an operating system it was not designed for. Windows 7 came out after Peer Guardian became dilapidated.

I personally don't have any issues with Peer Block I run it on my Windows Server 2008 R2 (which only comes in 64-bit versions) and the requirement for a signed driver on all 64-bit versions of Windows (except XP/2003) meant that I had to use Peer Block, no choice. But to be honest it runs great so I have no complaints.

There is I guess 1 small bug that is annoying every now and again. If you add/remove a blocking list from the program it won't always actually do it. The UI will refresh and say its been added or removed (whichever action you performed) but the program will continue as if you didn't do anything. So in the case of adding a new block list you may not be protected by that list until you re-start Peer Block and if your removing a list you could still be blocking it even after you've removed it. This doesn't seem to affect blocklists which are downloaded but local lists stored on your own hard disk. But I've not done much testing, I've just noticed it a few times, and it's an intermittent bug which makes it that much more frustrating.
Title: Re: Peerblock an alternative to Peerguardian
Post by: Blitzen on May 19, 2010, 08:19:39 pm


@ Max and Pri    what blocklists do you use if i may ask ?
Title: Re: Peerblock an alternative to Peerguardian
Post by: GhostShip on May 19, 2010, 08:40:24 pm
I can see my question has not been answered here or rather it has the blocklist this program uses can only be loaded once per day so there are a potential 23 hours of unblocked action before a new range is blocked, thankfully winmx users dont have to wait that long  :lol:
Title: Re: Peerblock an alternative to Peerguardian
Post by: Blitzen on May 19, 2010, 09:42:45 pm

Many anti virus programs only update every 24 hours yet we rely on them to protect us, but as i said Peerblock are open to listen to feature requests simply post you want peerblock to update lists every 5 mins if thats what you want. And winmxworld only block specific threats detected on its network not any anti p2p groupip ranges that the mentioned lists do. So if some anti p2p group for example Trident media guard was active on winmx can you guarantee they will be detected right away and blocked?  In my view having anti p2p ips blocked regardless of their activity is more sensible than waiting for them to appear and i personally will continue to use peerblock with my chosen lists regardless of what network iam using. No offence to you guys here but i would rather try to cover my ass from as many angles as possible than just rely on you ;)

As the above reserach shows (which was done in 2006 i have found out now) by not using an anti p2p blocklist then you can be guranteed to be tracked and thats based on research over 90 days.

And the reason caches here ended up on Bluetack blocklist was due to DDOS attacks on other sites and networks, thats according to Bluetack.
Title: Re: Peerblock an alternative to Peerguardian
Post by: Blitzen on May 19, 2010, 09:46:43 pm
 I have been in contact with Mark from Peerblock and Karl from Nexus group who run ipfilterX  and hope they may add there insight into this discusion ;)
Title: Re: Peerblock an alternative to Peerguardian
Post by: Blitzen on May 19, 2010, 10:07:28 pm
My understanding is that anti p2p companies do not change their ip ranges often, but could use Bogon ip ranges to do their dirty work. Maybe someone could explain in more detail how these lists are complied and how they are maintained ?

any chance of fixing the modify post as it would save makin multiple posts :)
Title: Re: Peerblock an alternative to Peerguardian
Post by: Max™ on May 19, 2010, 10:26:50 pm
In answer to your question Blitzen,
i use a proxy blocklist as supplied on Pri's site,
also a small list i compiled that includes the blockings from the community patch,
as i host 2 rooms and only use winmx a small amount, blocking unwanted ip's in PG2 is ideal for me on XP 32-bit
Title: Re: Peerblock an alternative to Peerguardian
Post by: GhostShip on May 20, 2010, 01:00:03 am
Thats the real problem Blitzen for this network none of the blocklist compilers are able to state they have anyone monitoring the network and thus their lists are useless for our purposes in general.

So lets clarify this, using peer block is no different to using peer guardian, they both are incapable of updating in a sensible time frame, the key difference is peer block is simply PG code updated for Vista, whats of more concern to me as usual is that  no one seems to be able to point to a list they can put their hand on their heart and say they have confidence in the lists and we dont know how anyone compiles them in any case.

I think in a nutshell most lists are not going to be much help unless they are compiled by real folks on the network you use, I have seen many poor blocking decisions over the years and for winmx theses lists offer little or no protection due to the two tiered nature of the network, something neithe PG nor PeerBlock are able to handle, I expect the same is true of the Gnutella network also as that offers a similar target profile for attackers.  

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if some anti p2p group for example Trident media guard was active on winmx can you guarantee they will be detected right away and blocked?

Yes, thats the point of having a team take care of such things, night and day folks are watching for attackers, you,ll never wait 23 + hours for anything to be blocked here, even if the team was asleep there are automated tools in use that ensure no mass attacker is missed.

If I was using another network I may use such a tool but as I dont I cant see the need to block random IPs and shadows "just in case", thats not something we have ever done
Title: Re: Peerblock an alternative to Peerguardian
Post by: Pri on May 20, 2010, 01:03:12 am
Something to know about the Proxy Blocklist on my site. I no longer update it. The guys who do the spamming have been using it to cross reference their proxy IP's so if its on my list they wont even try and use it to spam. I recommend instead that people use the Proxy Blocker script which includes a way to figure out if IP's are proxies or not without an IP database.

I may update the Proxy List eventually but it's unlikely as the script works so well.
Title: Re: Peerblock an alternative to Peerguardian
Post by: Blitzen on May 20, 2010, 06:11:55 am

@Ghostship   so you state your team looks for "attackers " so any anti p2p group who may just be sniffing around winmx would not be detected and blocked so therefor users who simply do not want any anti p2p group connecting to them would be left venerable. For example as already mentioned Trident media guard who are out trying to catch French users for sharing files, it has also been reported they are operating in other countries, is there any of their ip ranges in winmx blocklist ?  and in fairness no blocklist author states they 100% protect you but some protection is better than non, and i hope people reading this read back to previous pages and make up their own minds as at the end of the day it is the user who may face the ultimate penalty.
Title: Re: Peerblock an alternative to Peerguardian
Post by: Max™ on May 20, 2010, 07:49:17 am
Pri,
its a shame you dont keep the PG2 blovklist updated,
the new script for metis i found was using a lot of bandwidth on the 2 metis' as i run 2 rooms, this seemed to make me feel like i was restricted and found sometimes i couldn't google/surf the net, so removing the scripts allowed me to carry on as normal,
so i have no other way than to use PG2.
Title: Re: Peerblock an alternative to Peerguardian
Post by: GhostShip on May 20, 2010, 09:34:23 am
You talk from ignorance Blitzen, just because your unable to detect attackers you suggest others may not be able to yet our track record here is undeniable. We are able to detect many types of attacker, the data miner and the fake file list flooder are the two most common and thus the ones routinely blocked.

 I know this may come as a surprise to you but we only block winmx attackers, thus if an IP is not attacking winmx in any way we dont need to block it, simply blocking billions of IP's "just in case " is based on stupidity and fear, if your going to mislead folks your whole case for using blocklists is flawed, why on earth would we block trident media guard when its not attacking winmx in any way, we also dont block any other range thats not here either  :/

Let me even up the false picture you have painted for folks.


http://www.slyck.com/story1593_MediaDefender_Leak_Offers_BlueTack_Users_a_Reality_Check

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While BlueTack may still perpetuate the idea that their filters are 99% effective, these latest findings will only fuel criticisms towards BlueTack's actual effectiveness. A complete test might not be possible short of creating a simple program to test every single number or spending weeks hand-testing every single Media Defender IP address. In the mean ime, it seems very apparent that BlueTack's filters have a few holes.

http://neuron2neuron.blogspot.com/2006/05/blocklist-balderdash.html

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Use a blocklist? Think it makes you safe, allows you to share with impunity? Think again. I will say this now, up front, and clearly.
The amount of overall protecton given by a blocklist is minimal at best.


http://torrentfreak.com/study-reveals-reckless-anti-piracy-antics-080605/

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The last paragraph sums things up better than I can, however: “We have further demonstrated that IP blacklists, a standard method for avoiding systematic monitoring, are wholly ineffective given current identification techniques and provide only limited coverage of likely monitoring agents.”


Now make your minds up folks, if your scared of your own shadow then block the world out, if you use a filesharing network look for a specific list created for that network by someone reputable similar to the lists created by ourselves and emule folks, there is no magic wand in protecting yourself from attackers but an on the ball detection team is the best start any blocklist can have.
Title: Re: Peerblock an alternative to Peerguardian
Post by: Blitzen on May 20, 2010, 10:04:13 am
Many flaws in them links Ghost  in the secound it is a guy who worked ( works) for anti p2p company so his opinion woild be bias to say the least!  in the last link they was sent DMCA noticed to their network printer .........  don`t most network printers usually only allow access from network users espcially at such a prestigious location? as regards the first link no blocklist author claims to be 100% proof as anti p2p can and do change ip and isp but as soon as they are detected they get added. Iam not trying to scare anyone simply pointing out that for those who do not want to simply rely on you to protect them that there is other otions availible. Have you even looked at the "research"  link posted on the previous page ?
Title: Re: Peerblock an alternative to Peerguardian
Post by: Blitzen on May 20, 2010, 10:05:36 am
many typos above sorry*
Title: Re: Peerblock an alternative to Peerguardian
Post by: Blitzen on May 20, 2010, 10:23:21 am
Indeed proir to wmw caches being added to Bluetacks blocklist you openly promoted using blocklists
http://www.winmxworld.com/tutorials/block_the_riaa.html

Then after your opinion changed to this
http://forum.winmxworld.com/index.php/topic,4113.0.html

But in counter argument see this
http://blocklistpro.com/faqs/ip-block-lists-myths-misconceptions/blocklists-block-billions-of-innocent-people.html



Title: Re: Peerblock an alternative to Peerguardian
Post by: Blitzen on May 20, 2010, 11:38:28 am
Seems to me the way you come across is you do not believe in prevention rather dealing with as it happens, but prevention is around in many ways like being immunized against a disease you may never catch, theres is a saying that prevention is better than cure and that's what peerblock with a blocklist offers. I provided on the previous page solid research into if blocklists work and you claim they do not yet provide no evidence only articles of questionable sources ;)
Title: Re: Peerblock an alternative to Peerguardian
Post by: wonderer on May 20, 2010, 12:04:23 pm
According to your very last statement Blitzen, it is best to be immunized by a short blocklist, 0.0.0.0-255.255.255.255
Then, create an allowlist with yhe IP you trust 100%, connect to the network and oh, my, you find yourself flooded again.

Now, explain me how this happens.
Title: Re: Peerblock an alternative to Peerguardian
Post by: Blitzen on May 20, 2010, 12:33:20 pm
Why would you want to block every ip range then just allow ips you trust, by being immunized i meant from anti p2p groups not the whole damn internet! you do not get immunized against every disease known to man just those common in your country or a country your travelling to, so the comparison was being immunized against p2p but maybe it is the wrong word as no blocklist can guarantee 100% protection but something is better than nothing.

Iam assuming you have tried your theory wonderer and can therefor provide the answer ? maybe iam not understanding your angle....................
Title: Re: Peerblock an alternative to Peerguardian
Post by: Blitzen on May 20, 2010, 12:57:54 pm
Heres an article asking the question  do p2p blocklists keep you safe, it is up to people to make up their own mind from all the information in this topic both for and against ;)

http://torrentfreak.com/do-p2p-blocklists-keep-you-safe/

You may find comment 16 at the bottom interesting.......................
Title: Re: Peerblock an alternative to Peerguardian
Post by: GhostShip on May 20, 2010, 04:56:55 pm
Bombarding people with information that states simply nothing of proof or consequence is misleading folks, the initial study you point to was based on a flawed method of counting and I know this because I remember the original story and the team who did the research, their statistics where brought into question because they did not count any ips not on a blocklist and thus any claims about how many attackers it did or did not block where flawed.

As I make plain because your unable to work out how we track down attackers dont expect anyone here to pretend they dont, your "block everything just in case" strategy merely shows why you shouldn't be left in charge of a blocklist. Leave the blocklisting to those who know what they are doing
Title: Re: Peerblock an alternative to Peerguardian
Post by: Pri on May 20, 2010, 05:02:08 pm
Pri,
its a shame you dont keep the PG2 blovklist updated,
the new script for metis i found was using a lot of bandwidth on the 2 metis' as i run 2 rooms, this seemed to make me feel like i was restricted and found sometimes i couldn't google/surf the net, so removing the scripts allowed me to carry on as normal,
so i have no other way than to use PG2.

As I said the spammers have software which allows them to cross reference their proxy servers with the PG2 list. They go to a bunch of sites collect tons of proxies they then load them in to a proxy program that tests each proxy to make sure its active. That software then removes any that are already dead and they move the IP's to a new program which then checks the list against my PG2 list and further removes any that are on that list.

This leaves them with IP's they can spam with that are guaranteed to connect and work and also that won't be blocked by anyone running my list.

Also the script doesn't use much bandwidth. It makes 1 online query each time someone enters your room. It costs around 20KB of data and takes less than a second. For this you get a 99.9% detection rate.

I do understand that the bandwidth use may be heavy for dialup users or people on an incredibly restrictive cap so I will release a new version with caching but I don't really think that the bandwidth use is really all that high to be honest. I mean lets say you have 1000 people enter your room each day that's only 23MB per day to run this software.
Title: Re: Peerblock an alternative to Peerguardian
Post by: GhostShip on May 20, 2010, 05:07:14 pm
Try reading my comment at 14 Blitzen.

Looking at comment 16 simply proves that Blutak are childish and unprofessional, we dont do what we do for money.

I shall post a few posts missing from the biss forums showing why they repeatedly slander wmw, ignorance and stupidity seem to go hand in hand in the blutak organisation and the remedy is not to use their erroneous lists.



Title: Re: Peerblock an alternative to Peerguardian
Post by: Blitzen on May 20, 2010, 10:46:22 pm
In simple terms the way i see it............. you block network attackers and flooders of the network that you pickup by your team of 24/7 experts  thats great that may indeed be protecting the network now what aout the users ?
lets say mr media defender comes onto winmx network with his winmx and connects by secondary to a primary user called lets say Ghostship who believed they are using the winmx blocking patch so they are protected from anti p2p groups connecting to them. Mr media defender then simply browses this primary user takes some screen shots of their shares then converts their winmx hash to their REAL ip and takes it from there sending letters etc. Ok great your doing a fine job protecting the network but what about the users. Maybe at this moment you have not heard reports of winmx users being sent notices for copyright but that is down to winmx being a small fish nowadays but the day may come and maybe already has but it has not been reported to you.
Title: Re: Peerblock an alternative to Peerguardian
Post by: GhostShip on May 21, 2010, 01:04:05 am
Blitzen let me be polite here, your once again straying into areas you know nothing about and its simply wrong for you to make claims like you have above, if you can be bothered to use the site search you may find that we can indeed detect such intrusions using our "honeypot" system, do you really think I would ask folks to trust the blocklist if it was not doing as we claim ?

You may do so but I wont.

Now lets move on to real world matters and why I am currently unable to guarantee the security of the network, there is this chap who calls himself "Sabre" and he provides network access for all the unblocking primaries that host both data harvesters and flood the network with fake file listings, while he remains in operation WinMX is currently compromised, you personally are aware of this because you  have posted in the threads where I made this fact known and asked the pie team to help close the security hole that has appeared.


I really wish you would check all your facts before making statements that simply attack or belittle the work of the blocklist volunteers here, they look out for all WinMX users and surely its little in return for you to look out for them instead of running them down with ill thought out comments.


Title: Re: Peerblock an alternative to Peerguardian
Post by: Blitzen on May 21, 2010, 06:40:27 am
Ghostie me ole mucka in no way am i trying to belittle the blocklist team they are doing a fantastic job of protecting the "network" and i applaud them all! but no one needs to be an "expert" of the winmx protocol and network to see anti p2p activity. Yes winmx network flooders and attackers are on the winmx blocklist but anti p2p companies that are not attacking the "network" are not. Anyone can simply install peerblock and its default list, connect winmx on primary and look at the ips and companies being blocked to their winmx ports that are "not" on the winmx blocklist but at the same time you would also see ips that are blocked on the winmx blocklist mainly the flooders and DDOS  attackers. At the end of the day its up to the user i guess.

The community patch is the best option for any winmx user that is without doubt fact as that can at least protect the network by default where as the host file method and asking users to install winmx specific blocklists in peerguardian simply failed as many users did not bother to take the advice given and left themselves wide open and at the same time allowed their primary connections to be used by data harvesters and attackers.
Title: Re: Peerblock an alternative to Peerguardian
Post by: Joshua203 on May 21, 2010, 07:13:47 am
you got to admit youpaint a kindoff weird scenario blitzen, if you gonna do all those what if's i could really add a few and give a solution but rule out the same solution at the same time... and really if i started doing that there would be no blocking device usefull anymore ..welll uuuhm maybe one ...pull the internet plug!!!!¿¿¿???!!! heheheh

1 example.. what if one of those "internethounds" would taske winmx home and pretend to be an innocent user ..take screenshots of your browse ...calculate your hash to ip >>>>>HIDE your hash!!! but would that help?? no because any tcp tool would also tell the ip wouldn t it?? ...would they be on a blocker list ??? nope>>>>pull the plug and run like hell ....hehehehehe
Title: Re: Peerblock an alternative to Peerguardian
Post by: ]-[êll.Ôñ.ËÀR'][']-[. on May 21, 2010, 05:52:44 pm
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The community patch is the best option for any winmx user that is without doubt fact as that can at least protect the network by default where as the host file method and asking users to install winmx specific blocklists in peerguardian simply failed as many users did not bother to take the advice given and left themselves wide open and at the same time allowed their primary connections to be used by data harvesters and attackers
Exactly and that's why The community patch beats any other method you like to point out hands down ....fact is a good many users cant be arsed to use any other options even if they knew how to & a lot fall into the bracket of .... I'm just one of many thousands so they wont catch me even if i don't secure myself..... that is why a automated method even if it isn't 100% perfect is definatly 100% better than relying on users to use other methods or not using any at all to secure themselves.

There is only one secure fool proof way to be safe and that is to not download and share any copy protected material at all .... but then in many cases that would totally defeat the reason why people are here anyway
 
note** i say in many cases and not in all before people mount that high horse that they don't use winmx illegally  :P
Title: Re: Peerblock an alternative to Peerguardian
Post by: Bluey_412 on May 21, 2010, 11:36:43 pm
i would prefer, if anything, to have an ability to insert my own custom set of IP's to block, directly into the patch, rather than using an extra tool, such as PG2 or PB, but the designer/maker of CP 1.0 didnt provide that ability...
Title: Re: Peerblock an alternative to Peerguardian
Post by: Joshua203 on May 22, 2010, 02:46:26 am
i would prefer, if anything, to have an ability to insert my own custom set of IP's to block, directly into the patch, rather than using an extra tool, such as PG2 or PB, but the designer/maker of CP 1.0 didnt provide that ability...

maybe because firewalls are very good at that ? lol
Title: Re: Peerblock an alternative to Peerguardian
Post by: GhostShip on May 22, 2010, 08:16:53 am
The community patch was obviously designed to protect WinMX users from attack while it was actually running and we believe their is little reason for adding a user adjustable blocklist as this would undermine the premise of the "basic protection for all" we try to deliver, a stand alone program that is not dependent on WinMX for its operation would be a superior solution and ensure any IP's you choose to block remain so.
Title: Re: Peerblock an alternative to Peerguardian
Post by: Joshua203 on May 22, 2010, 08:32:14 am
hte upside of using a firewall for this is that most of us would be able to pick the firewall closest to the internet plug (router firewall) ..this not onhly will block traffic from your computer but also from the router ...at least that's how i see it ;)
Title: Re: Peerblock an alternative to Peerguardian
Post by: GhostShip on May 22, 2010, 10:33:49 pm
This is one of the deleted pages blutak would rather you didnt read.
Title: Re: Peerblock an alternative to Peerguardian
Post by: Blitzen on May 23, 2010, 07:04:49 am
After reading that page you have attached iam not sure if i have read it right but to me it hinders your arguments against blocklists ?   i see it that there was a peercache operating that was in an anti p2p groups range  music.net or something, that was  blocked by Bluetack and soon dissapeared after it was blocked which was suspicious to say the least! maybe iam reading it wrongly but it suggests that using a third party blocklist may have been protecting users at that time ? and that as Bluetack refused to remove the caches ip their site was supposdly  DDOS attacked . Iam assuming this was mainly down to King Macro as i can indeed remember there use to be on the main page here a link asking users to leave their browsers open on certain web sites thus in its self a form of DOS.....................
Title: Re: Peerblock an alternative to Peerguardian
Post by: GhostShip on May 24, 2010, 08:27:19 am
Is there any claim you wont make Blitzen ?

It seems obvious that I,m wasting my time here with a clueless chap who cant understand that the "antip2p" range was simply on their list because it was used by a company blutak dont like at some stage in history and not because it had attacked anything or done anything else.

Also your claims against both the the peer cache operator, King macro and ourselves are pure speculation based on fresh air as the log shows, when asked for some evidence of an attack none was forthcoming, you have to ask if they cant show any logs for their own site why should anyone trust any of their other claims as regards IPs to be blocked.

I ask you now to back up your claim that we asked anyone to open a browser window at any time on our front page, this is a serious claim of potentially criminal activity and if your unable to support the claim I will then ban you from the site again, its morally wrong to make claims based on your desire to win an arguement at any cost, if you have proof of such activity then I shall resign as I have never asked anyone to do such things on this site and honour would demand I stepped down.

I await to see either an apology or some proof of what you have claimed.

Title: Re: Peerblock an alternative to Peerguardian
Post by: Max™ on May 24, 2010, 08:59:52 am
Iam assuming this was mainly down to King Macro as i can indeed remember there use to be on the main page here a link asking users to leave their browsers open on certain web sites thus in its self a form of DOS.....................

Well personally i have never seen anything on the main page/main site, or on the forum of the nature you claim to remember Blitzen,
next you will be accusing us of being anti p2p and trying to destroy the 1 thing we defend.
Title: Re: Peerblock an alternative to Peerguardian
Post by: Blitzen on May 24, 2010, 10:40:16 am
There did use to be on the main front page a place to click on to open other web sites that if i remember right was at that time advertising winmx for download possibly with payment and it was being advised to leave your browser open on that site, how can i prove it when it is long gone ? anyone who is a long time user of this site and not a kiss ass will know it exsisted !!!!
Title: Re: Peerblock an alternative to Peerguardian
Post by: Max™ on May 24, 2010, 10:49:09 am
WinmxWorld would never advertise a site that promotes paying for Winmx,
i think you are having dilutions on that, further more, WinmxWorld would not condone, support or promote in ANY site that asks for payments of Winmx.
Title: Re: Peerblock an alternative to Peerguardian
Post by: Blitzen on May 24, 2010, 11:01:52 am
It was not to promote sites that were advertising winmx for payment it was asking users to leave their browsers open on certain sites to cause that site problems and disruption and the only reason Ghost want to ban me from the site is because it is true and he knows it. There is no freedom of speach on here you can only say what they approve anyone who puts their trust in this group will one day pay the penalty Km knew and was silenced, just google KM and winmxworld  and read his posts and he was more on the  inside of this site than most ever will be!!!

There is always other forums i can bring users attention to your lies and deciept Ghostship, I just hope mxpie.info do obtain a better patch for their users but i sure hope they run and control it themselves as if they trust wmw they will be doomed ............. Peace       (p.s  aka  im also  JAKE  from pie.info  forum _
Title: Re: Peerblock an alternative to Peerguardian
Post by: Blitzen on May 24, 2010, 12:43:44 pm
Ok Ghostship you wanted proof then look here

http://forum.winmxworld.com/index.php/topic,4681.0.html

and note one of of the comments posted  on the first page   by J A M E S  " could i ask that a link to this site be put on the home page again? "


Title: Re: Peerblock an alternative to Peerguardian
Post by: Max™ on May 24, 2010, 12:52:13 pm
He means he is asking again, can it be on the home page,
or he would have asked for it to go back on the home page,
and this wasn't what you implied to leave a web browser open to Dos the site,
it was stating it downloads off their site, so using their quota of bandwidth, there is a Big difference.
Title: Re: Peerblock an alternative to Peerguardian
Post by: Blitzen on May 24, 2010, 12:53:03 pm
And here is a quote from Ghostship actually applauding the attacks on other sites

http://forum.winmxworld.com/index.php/topic,1631.0.html

"I,m glad to hear the rip-off companies are taking a beating Josh

Pass my thanks and respect to all those involved in making sure these theives find it more costly to distribute a free product while charging a fee to point users to winmx support sites like this one.

Well done all involved  "

Title: Re: Peerblock an alternative to Peerguardian
Post by: Blitzen on May 24, 2010, 12:56:05 pm

Max wether its leaving a browser open or whatever it was still encouraging attacks on other sites and that was my point .................. and it did use to have a link on the front page of this site but ofcourse i cannot prove that now i can and have provided refrences to it, read on in the first link you will see he mentions it more !!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Peerblock an alternative to Peerguardian
Post by: Blitzen on May 24, 2010, 01:47:18 pm

@ Max     i quote J A M E S

"agreed,

i have also told josh that the links section needs to be updated, lol...

and thats why i asked for the link to be put back on the home page, i think people have the wrong idea about the program, if the site in the first place had of stayed open, and been as enthsiastic as when it first opened but intrest was lost  "

On page 2 if you had bothered to read on and no matter which way you look at it, there was a link on the main page of this site to effect the running of other sites in effect an attack which is what i said, now lets see if Ghostship stands by his statement of his actions if what i had claimed were true .............  i expect more b/s and to be banned from here

http://forum.winmxworld.com/index.php/topic,4681.15.html


 


"
Title: Re: Peerblock an alternative to Peerguardian
Post by: Max™ on May 24, 2010, 02:41:35 pm
I didn't "bother" to read page 2 as you pointed out what was on page 1,
so im not "bothering" to read any more of it, because4 you clearly want to use posts against people,
you would make a good lawyer, they are deceiving and devious too.

don't "bother" answering me or try to make your point, you are just a waste of bandwidth.
Title: Re: Peerblock an alternative to Peerguardian
Post by: Pri on May 24, 2010, 02:50:40 pm
It was not to promote sites that were advertising winmx for payment it was asking users to leave their browsers open on certain sites to cause that site problems and disruption and the only reason Ghost want to ban me from the site is because it is true and he knows it. There is no freedom of speach on here you can only say what they approve anyone who puts their trust in this group will one day pay the penalty Km knew and was silenced, just google KM and winmxworld  and read his posts and he was more on the  inside of this site than most ever will be!!!

There is always other forums i can bring users attention to your lies and deciept Ghostship, I just hope mxpie.info do obtain a better patch for their users but i sure hope they run and control it themselves as if they trust wmw they will be doomed ............. Peace       (p.s  aka  im also  JAKE  from pie.info  forum _

lol
Title: Re: Peerblock an alternative to Peerguardian
Post by: Blitzen on May 24, 2010, 03:05:36 pm
And you find what amusing Pri ? 


@ Max you just kiss ass and dont want to read whats in black and white.
Title: Re: Peerblock an alternative to Peerguardian
Post by: Pri on May 24, 2010, 03:51:35 pm
I just found that whole post pretty funny.

You say a lot in it that is amusing.

1. No freedom / free speech on here
2. Anyone who put their trust in this group will pay a penalty
3. KM was silenced
4. MXPie should get another patch than the Community Patch
5. You being Jake from Pie.info forum

All that was pretty humorous. The reveal of you were Jake on the forum was a bit like a soap opera, really entertaining.
Title: Re: Peerblock an alternative to Peerguardian
Post by: Blitzen on May 24, 2010, 03:54:47 pm
Wrong Pri

i did not say i hope mxpie.info get another patch other than the community patch i said i hope they get a new patch but run it themselves, your lack of understanding on many issues through out this forum is evident i suggest you stay quiet rather than trying to look clever!
Title: Re: Peerblock an alternative to Peerguardian
Post by: Joshua203 on May 24, 2010, 03:55:17 pm
i was j203 but who could have not realised that LOL
Title: Re: Peerblock an alternative to Peerguardian
Post by: Pri on May 24, 2010, 04:01:00 pm
Wrong Pri

i did not say i hope mxpie.info get another patch other than the community patch i said i hope they get a new patch but run it themselves, your lack of understanding on many issues through out this forum is evident i suggest you stay quiet rather than trying to look clever!

lol Its hard to understand what you post Blitzen, it's so incoherent like a child wrote it. You can't even spell words like speech correctly how am I supposed to understand your ramblings? xD
Title: Re: Peerblock an alternative to Peerguardian
Post by: Blitzen on May 24, 2010, 04:07:51 pm

Not you would not understand Pri as i said it shows in many topics within this forum how you lack understanding in many ways, but you poke your nose in with some wise ass comment trying to look clever and talkin of soap opera performance i doubt there is anyone who could wear the cap more than yourself .

http://www.mxpulse.com/board/viewtopic.php?f=25&t=85   <--------------- now thats better than Eastenders

Anyway as usual you draw yet another topic off what it is about so plz either input or shut up!!!!
Title: Re: Peerblock an alternative to Peerguardian
Post by: Pri on May 24, 2010, 04:11:06 pm
It's a shame you don't have forum Blitzen where you give back to the community so that we could call you up on your contributions. In-fact it's a shame you've never provided or done anything for the community. Shame that.
Title: Re: Peerblock an alternative to Peerguardian
Post by: Pri on May 24, 2010, 04:17:34 pm
It is plainly obvious in this very thread that you just have a bone to pick with Ghostship and WinMXWorld. You've already been banned here once but you sign up again. You use aliases on other sites and undermine efforts for people to work together to move forward with new patches.

Ghost told me a while ago how you PM'd him after you posted on mxpie as Jake with your 'Change of Heart' about the Community Patch. I found that pretty funny too. What did you want ? Praise ? Attention ?
Title: Re: Peerblock an alternative to Peerguardian
Post by: Savage Blades on May 24, 2010, 04:18:49 pm
Right, my very first "Lock" of  a topic and to go with it my views.........

If want to be 100% safe online, please do not turn on your computer....

Please do not expect a block-list of any kind to protect 100% , there are always 'new' threats..
Please do not use a third party block-list, cause many DO block innocent users......and personally I would rather leave myself open, than block a single innocent.............
the default lists do not block any innocent users. new IPs are added when threats are found and removed as that threat shifts IPs......... simple
There are no range blocks on winmx 'specific blocklists' that block innocent users.......... period.