yes i have it set to hide and i ll check after this post but i m sure you know best, i must have just never noticed the envelope before and i must admit i don t know how SMF works never tried or used
only thing left would be the jumpy messages (where you create them) i described in my first post ..but like i said i can work around that if i remember to do that all the time

so that s not a real problem
Thanks for your fast responses Nylly, have a great day!