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WinMX Help => Other WinMX Help => Topic started by: MinersLantern on May 31, 2012, 05:13:59 am
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After my main drive C exploded (win2k) I decided, hmm, this is a good time to upgrade to XP. Huge mistake...
XP has pretty graphics, XP also cannot run my WINMX hash to real ip software, what else does XP successfully fail to do?
I am used to running the not so smart by KM sources to do a cache server. On win2k, that works quite nicely, on XP, I can let the thing run all day and get zero functional iprimaries listed.
Me thinks XP itself is a real problem as far as WINMX goes.
I have other complaints abt XP, aside from WinMX...
Like how it will suddenly freeze the entire computer, just because it dislikes any 'advanced format' (ha as they call it) hard drive.
Sit around for 20 minutes for the stupid OS to find out WTF its doing.
GOD.
Win2k may to an antique but at least it works and works quickly.
I wonder just how much of our WinMX problems are reallly being caused by XP and up...
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All I can say is WOW, XP has been out since 2001 and it took you 11 years to just try it for the first time?
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As for some useful information, if XP can't run it but 2k can, try installing the runtime needed to run program and/or setting compatibility mode to 2k
And if your using XP SP3 it has a firewall enabled by default older service packs may also have a firewall that may or may not be on by default.
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xp basically is 2k with some tweaks and the windowblinds skinning software installed (no im not kidding.. microsoft licensed a custom version of it to get the 'pretty' grafted onto xp) ... first things first... go here; http://half-open.com/ -- download that and change the 'new limit' to 65535 to get win2k behavior....
for winmx itself right click the app click compatibility tab and tick 'disable visual themes' and 'turn of advanced text services for this program' ... the one that says 'run this program in compatibility mode for' is useless... all it does is lie to the program to tell it a different version number of windows.... ....use the same for other older apps that dont work or behave funny...
oh... and for as much as i hate to say it... make sure ie6 is installed... dont install a newer version to keep compatibility for winmx era software.... ...just... dont use it as your default browser...
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right click the app click compatibility tab
guh... too early to be writing...
ment right click the winmx icon or its .exe and select the compatibility tab
ive had to disable advanced text services to keep the mx ui from randomly freezing for a few seconds at a time on xp.... ....granted thats cos i install xp with east asian language support....
this; http://support.microsoft.com/gp/vbruntime may come in handy as well
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I have already tried compatibility mode, same result and same general system weirdness.
Got rid of most of the un-needed services and pretty graphics.
It is as fully updated as it can be via M$ itself.
Yesterday I found another odd problem. I ran the cache server. Result? XP is much to slow on networking to deal with that. It will sit there all day long usually with 0 primaries found. Once in awhile it will find exactly 1 then not find anymore.
I used TCP optimizer to tweak the stack in every way that it can be tweaked, no change.
I was thinking that maybe WinMXWorld had disabled connections from outside cache servers.
I put the Exact same exe from this XP pc onto another one that has 1/5 the clock speed but runs 2k. The cache server had no unusual problems. Went from 2 to 6 to 20 in only a few minutes.
Just a few minutes ago, I tried the same exe once again on this really underpowered netbook I have running Win7 starter edition, it worked fine there too.
The reason I avoided updating to XP when it came out was that I had thousands of programs all nicely installed and everything else running the way I want on 2k. So why fix it when it aint broken? Especially if its going to take literally years to redo everything?
I have another pc that I put XP on just because I had to in order to make the TV tuner card work. That one also acts rather strange and slow. True it does run the card and record broadcast digital TV except when it suddenly decides to freeze for 20 minutes at a time for no particular reason and at random. That one isnt even connected to the internet. lol
I have already tried all the things as far as speeding up XP that can be found via Google.
Kill firewall, shut off AV, disable services, get rid of indexing, and turn off the 'restore' function. (I prefer Linux to do my Windows restores, it does it flawlessly the first time).
I have also updated all the drivers, no change.
Still the only thing I can think of is that XP is just plain, slow and buggy.
It reminds me of the Win98 days. Delete a few thousand files at once. Win98 would freeze awhile, quite a long while, this pc on XP does too. 2k on the same pc simply made all of those files vanish in an instant, no freezing.
I did finally get the dis-advanced green (gonna save the whales) drive working somewhat. It doesnt freeze the system anymore but still shows constant, non-stop activity. If that keeps up, its going to burn itself out in 4 months. Google anything that involves 'green' and hard drive. You will avoid the things like the plague.
I think I will try 2003 Server edition next. It seemed to be scary fast (faster than 2k) when I ran it on VMware and it is still 'supported' by M$. XP was slow for me running virtually too.
The real test will be does it know simple hex math? Can it do networking faster than an abacus??
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xp's networking problems are from the half-open limit... did you fix that? btw server 2k3 is xp without the half-open limit at all and without the skinning... otherwise its the same....
what kind of machine are you trying to run xp on that it runs so slowly?
tho in all honesty i miss 2k too... the lack of support for ms for some rather glaring security holes in the os stopped me from using it...
also have a peek at http://www.reactos.com/ -- far from 'finished' but its an interesting project to say the least....
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Miners, all i can say is Karma...
In this house, we have some 15 PC's, running XP or Win7. The only time XP is slow is when there is a known hardware issue, a lack of HDD space (page file affected) or there is some crudware installed that is hogging the CPU.
any virginal install of XP is always as fast as any other O/S, hardware permitting (you cant really speed up an aging P2 class Celeron)
So, check out your software installs, make sure there is a big enough pagefile, and stop hating it
Or just use Win7 and run XP in a VM
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...you cant really speed up an aging P2 class Celeron...
i got one to run at a 70mhz fsb clock instead of the usual 66mhz without a volt mod ;) (chipset wouldnt let me go to 83mhz cos it didnt support it.. glad i didnt actually have an 83mhz fsb chip...)
and yon times past the celeron 300A was a very popular chip to bump from 66mhz fsb to as far as 100mhz (if the board supported it)
all in all tho xp needs a p3+ since the p2 (and older) and k6 it doesnt seem to like... (never tried the athlon since this machine was born running linux) xp seems glued to that blasted SSE instruction set (even tho 3dnow! would have worked just as well)... win2k not so much...
ahh... fun times ;)
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After deleting that awful partition and formating and doing the enire thing over using win2k3...
I have discovered that yup, WinXP is slow, and buggy.
Win 2003 Server is ungodly faster.
I open and do things on the silly green drive, I close it, the desktop doesnt sit there for a few seconds with blank icons.
When I go to browse a drive and shift up and down on thousands of files, there is no delay.
And the cache server, just works.
Also none of this silly WGA business.
And w2k3 is going to be supported by Microsoft longer than XP will.
Prolly cause its a' server' OS, use by businesses.
My software I wrote to translate the hashes to ips and port, I am assuming is due to my choice of LCC as an environment. Likely because I was using win2k SDK as my reference to write the thing. This may be why it continues to report and exit whining that the hex number entered isnt a hex number.
No matter.
win2k3 is muchly way silly faster than XP can imagine.
Networking and just even the desktop.
Guess I will have to recheck wtf I was using as a function to do the hex check with.
Otherwise...
It works, flawlessly. :)
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BTW.
XP is not just another copy of win2k.
Research more. There are lots of differences in the base OS.
Win2k3 is even more different.
XP is its own little beast.
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Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm <Scratches head...>
Interesting.....
1 person grumbles, Says XP is bad, Millions of others like it, even refusing to move to Win 7, which is sweet...
Even lots of networks powered by XP, even at Government level
<Scratches head, Again...>
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server 2k3 does have 2 things going for it that xp doesnt ... no half open by default (no hack needed) and software raid support (xp can be hacked to allow for this too but its nasty)...
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Hmmm, I dont think I ever had to hack my XP to operate dual Raid 1 Volumes (yes, 4 raided drives in the one machine)
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but I run Win& -64 Pro now, so it's moot...
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oops, 'Win 7'
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Hmmm, I dont think I ever had to hack my XP to operate dual Raid 1 Volumes (yes, 4 raided drives in the one machine)
if it was hardware and/or a specific driver it'll do that... mirrored raid it wont... may with hardware but im not sure...
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Well, I have gone and done it.
Now on win2k3, the thing is sometimes annoying but still after the untold numbers of security updates, very, very, fast. :D
HP does not like win2k, you cannot get a driver to run your printer or scanner either.
I just went and decompressed the install software and manually forced 2k3 to use some other XP, 2k, 98, gods knows file as a driver. POOF! magiacally it works on 2k3.
Applied massive numbers of updates, no slowdown at all.
My conclusion..
XP is as slow as frozen snot in January.
True its 'stable' I guess. Its also so slow that it can barely connect to the internet.
Open a drive other than C and close it, XP gets freaked out and takes time to repopulate the desktop icons. ffs.
win2k and 2k3 does that instantly.
Run the cache server...
XP dependably finds zero primaries, all day long.
2k and 2k3 starts finding them anyway, no matter about the flood attacks.
Just fewer of them during the attacks. But more than zero is better than zero anytime. :D
I likey!
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At Blue...
Most people are perfectly happy to be able to lookup a recipe on Google.
Or some naked women pics.
They have no idea wtf an OS is anyway. lol
For such weak and useless functions, XP is wonderful.
'Im lazy and dont want to know or learn anything, just make it work Microsoft'
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winxp wants to index files on every harddrive it can find
switching off indexiing services in services will safe you a lot of cpu
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Miners, I isn't just a 'most people'
You also revealed what is probably the major cause of it all up there: 'HP does not like...'
I could wax lyrical about the issue, but how that company can get so many people to pay so much money for some of the nastiest PC's I have ever seen is beyond me, with Dell running a close second
Apart from brand-specific parts, and poor-quality parts, things like insufficient memory, shared memory (For the GPU), PSU's that struggle to power the factory spec system then people wanna add stuff, then you pay 50 to 100 percent more than you would for a better-built white-box...
Then we get the brand AND model specific OEM o/s 'recovery disk' that you have to make when you first buy, cos they are too mean-fisted to supply a 50-cent CD...
Right here we recently went thru the exact same greif with a HP box, oh dear, drivers, etc problems, then stumbled across forums discussing the horrors of the particular (so-obscure-you-couldn't-buy-in-a-shop MOBO)
Everything available for it was Vista-specific, forget about XP or Win2k or Win-7 drivers, this sucker was wanting to run Vista, nothing else...
It would be good if the bashing of XP was to cease, at least you could/can stick it on near anything...
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...stuff.
I thought you said you "could" wax lyrical. :thumbs:
I've been trying to avoid this thread. I couldn't tell if this was going to be a serious thing or if it was an attempt at trolling. Bluey called it. "HP doesn't like...."
...also non affectionately known in some circles as 'Pew(let) Hackard'.
I just pulled an old single core something or other and a BIOStar Mobo from my mothers computer and installed an I7 920 for her. I'll send you the board and processor for free if you'll promise to scrap that near proprietary thing you have that is HP. ...also, the free cpu/mobo in question ran XP just fine. Think of it as a free upgrade maybe?
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You should really think of upgrading your computer within the next 2 years if XP was running ungodly slow for you and 2k3 isn't as in 2 years windows 2k3 support will end.
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@miners; i have xp running just fine on a coppermine celeron machine with 256mb of ram... oh... and its a heavily modded board that used to be a mitac but now is very compaq specific... is an i810 chipset with i810 video disabled using a sis 6326 in its place.... if xp runs on that mess of a machine i dunno what you are doing wrong...
@bluey; oems arent bad if you can get bios updates or.. even better.. hacks... ...granted not practical.. but fun...
and i have to one-up you on hp vs dell... dell has those boards with a standard power connector with non-standard wiring... may have been able to get the board running had i known the wiring wasnt standard.... just glad the psu took it well and just made a squeak noise instead of exploding.... :/
@hooked; if miners doesnt take you up on the free board offer can i?
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and i have to one-up you on hp vs dell... dell has those boards with a standard power connector with non-standard wiring... may have been able to get the board running had i known the wiring wasnt standard.... just glad the psu took it well and just made a squeak noise instead of exploding.... :/
A squeak is much better than a poof, snap, sizzle, and/or a boom. I'd take that any day.
@hooked; if miners doesnt take you up on the free board offer can i?
I should have stated that it was for the OP. So long as the OP doesn't want a freebee (minus shipping of course....), it's yours. I'd hate to see the OP waste some brand new, functions just fine XP software. I'd like to see the OP get it...I've done the whole HP/OEM XP thing before. It was a fun learning experience. I'd like to pass that joy on. :/
..and yeah, I'm serious about the board.
I'm having one hell of a night trying to not be a mean ass...it's a work stress induced thing. Forgives in advance?
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I did not say that my pc was HP. That was just the printer and also scanner.
Got around HPs hate of win2k3 anyway. Make windows go hunt for the driver, actually, any old driver for HPs 'supported' OSes will do, within the bunch of files you get when you take their several hundred megabyte exe file and use 7zip to extract all the individual files out of it.
Windows simply uses the real driver (skipping the extra bloatware 'features') and could care less if HP approves or not. Poof! Printer and scanner now work fine. :)
Oh and the awful performance of XP isnt because my pc is obsolete or too slow or whatever. If it were too slow to run windows it would perform equally horribly on 2k xp, 2k3 or the newest versions of linux, and I am certainly not about to skip a house payment just for the joy of running slow software faster on a faster machine.
As for the thousands who have no problem with xp, maybe its because most pc users worldwide are perfectly happy if they can lookup a food recipe, check email, watch a little porn, then go to bed. They mostly have no idea what a computer is or what it can do. Most cannot even make their own alarm clock stop blinking 12:00 unless someone does that for them. Seriously.
I disabled all un needed services too on xp. I automatically do that anyway no matter the OS. Including the indexing of the drives to speed up search which I use maybe once every 2 years. Another less than impressive feature was system restore. That still doesnt work properly, not even on Win7. The only fix is disable that evil thing and backup the partition using linux. Do that and you get a true restore, exact in every detail, perfect 100% of the time.
I found that out on my win7 netbook when I installed a few things then decided to get rid of them. System restore just resulted in an unbootable pc.
XP was not only slow on networking it was just laggy in general anyway.
win2k3 is still behaving very nicely, even though I expected problems doing all the M$ updates.
Now the problem is that a partitioning software product I like Easus partition manager, normally free for home users, refuses to install. Because win2k3 is a 'business' OS, therefore you own a business, therefore, pay us money if you want to install it. lol
Sorry but I dont own a business ya silly company. After my next imaging of the drive tommorow I will try some things to hack that douchy installer too and get it running anyway.
Cheers!
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Put XP SP3 on it
'twill work
( I think this boy just hates XP for No Good Reason)
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only thing i can think of that would make xp lag compared to 2k3 is the 'skin' of xp causing problems with the vidcard... but on the other paw... the skinning function works just as well with a S3 Trio (the card vmware and dosbox emulate) as it does with the latest nvidia/ati polycruncher g-wiz (heatbelcher edition) ;)
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..darn.. no edit button..
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/S3_Trio
guess i should mention this chip was made circa 1995... so uh... yeah.....
you sure the copy of XP you are using isnt screwed up in some way? (misuse of nlite for example)
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I like to 'Troll' what else is interesting in life? Sex? Growing a garden?? Working???
I Almost decided to go back to win2k. Seems win2k3 is a 'business' operating system.
Meaning that everyone that writes 'free' software on the condiition its for home use, will want to charge money if it involves win2k3.
I call that racism. Who decided for me that I own a business?
I simply want speed. A business would be nice too, but just running a server edition of windows doesnt automagically mean you own a business.
<really gay eye roll>
Since partitioning software on server windows costs well over $200 when otherwise its free for the same damn thing, I decided to use Linux gparted. Works just as well, doesnt destroy data, and is free.
Even free antivirus software companies expect money if you dare to try it on any server edition of windows. Are they retarded? Im not going to pay hundreds of dollars for some stupid AV software. Shit!
I found a nice open source AV called 'Clam'.
The big professional companies can bug off.
And Im still going to run 2k3. Its simply, still, Faster.
It aint going to make me magically own a business nor make me CEO of Microsoft or Ford Motor Company.
Im just interested in the non-buggy speed it has to offer. :D
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As far as what else ive read above my last reply.
If there are problems with my pc, cpu, memory, etc, etc. Why is it that windows 2003 server runs crazy fast anyway? If there were issues with the computer itself, everything would run slow always and forever.
Windows 2000 was almost as fast, but since drive C exploded, I decided to upgrade to something faster. 2k3 was even noticably faster when I ran it for fun on vmware years ago.
XP seemed around 1/2 the speed (more or less) than win2k was, even when I ran it virtually.
It got a little worse when I installed it for real. Locking up for 10 of seconds at a time, just doing simple things within windows with no other software running at all. I disabled the silly things like indexing, and every other service I found useless. Changed the settings for TCP/IP in the registry, all that made no difference.
Imo, 2003 server is just simply better and faster than XP ever has been. :)
I havent even got around to messing around with the services win2k3 is running, had too many other things to do to make it work decently (bypassing people who want money to install their holy free software and such). Still it does its thing reliably and in the blink of an eye.
No lag at all. If I delete thousands of files, they are gone, instantly. XP would go huh?
Then take awhile, like win98 used to. lol
When I open the green big disk and browse then close it, under win2k3, it closes, no other strange things happen. XP kinda freaks a little. Desktiop icons get refreshed, I guess, showing as blank generic ones. Takes a few seconds for them to update.
Win2k or 2k3, the desktop icons are there and updated instantly.
Me thinks XP is still kinda odd. ;)
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Oh what the hell....I'll keep this horse on a ventilator a bit longer.
....for the OP, I'd love to see a screenshot of your system specs from your computer. ...I'd be willing to bet that the mobo I was offering you for free (helps with that pesky mortgage payment) is a bit quicker. ...now I just really want a screeny....
...and a picture of your house...with you standing on the porch. ...holding your car keys in your hand. Your left hand. In your right hand? How about....holding your middle finger down with your thumb. Can't have that waving around now can we?
:no:
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Where do you come up with these crazy thoughts Hooked? :crazy:
AnyWhoo, Just thought I'd put it out there, been using the same copy of XP Pro since it hit the market.... Heavly modded, trashed with errors, crashes from time to time, but I love it. :lol:
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http://www.tune-up.com/
granted many will say 'boo' to tune up utilities its always worked great for me..
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Where do you come up with these crazy thoughts Hooked? :crazy:
It was an off the cuff kind of thing. ...I'm seriously not wired like most people AFA my thought processes are concerned. Other than that, I've been informed that I'm completely and entirely human. :bow: