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WinMX Help => Chat Issues => Topic started by: \\//\\//police(ALERT) on October 31, 2005, 11:19:46 pm
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me and a couple of m8s are trying to shut down all thos sick rooms like child porn and animal porn and face of death rooms if you have eny questions you would like to ask us about this just come to :!:
Winmx Police \\//\\//P_B1DEC9971A2A
we are looking for ppl to help us to make this happen
THIS WILL HELP WINMX FOR YOUNGER
AND OLDER PPL A LIKE :!:
and winmx will have a bad rep if this child porn stuff keeps going on no more ppl will appera on winmx because of them sick ppl :!:
:!: :!: help us :!: :!:
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well said i totally agree
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\\//\\//police(ALERT) hi.
This is a worth while cause, and let me just start by saying I couldnt agree more about these rooms being gone and me not loosing sleep over it.
That said I am interested in what plans you have, and what ways your planning to do this.
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this is something that could be done almost instantly from a technical standpoint, however there are other issues to contend with... the biggest being the question of where do you stop?
once you start getting rid of one type of room you don't like, what's to stop people saying "well, we don't like animal porn either" so you get rid of them, then "we don't like any porn", then "we don't like file sharing rooms", and so forth, then you end up with the only rooms left being help rooms, which spend their entire time telling people where all the other rooms went... lol
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Exactly my thoughts KM, I cant say i like these rooms any more then most normal users however, its not our place to be the judge and jury. Its also not our place to decide what content is 'Allowed' on WinMX.
As I said I would be curious what your plans are as this could work great if your able to do this by the proper means. After all this type of pornography is illegal and there are places and way to deal with it in the proper legal manor as in reporting them and what information needs to be given in order to do this.
But if we are talking about attacking these rooms' hosts illegally also that is not something I would condone in any way shape or form. Not because of the legallity of it but the principle of the freedom to be on WinMX and the non existant rights to decide who else is worthy of that freedom.
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the problem is simply we could never all agree on what goes; I hate child porn and the drones that create/sell/distribute/view it, BUT they might equally hate metal, or Spiderman or Sponge Bob. So who chooses? Put destructive technology against chat rooms in the hands of the Christian Right, sake of argument, and we'd all end with Shared files choc full of the wisdom of Pat Robertson and chatrooms extolling the virtues of abstinence, so like others have rightly pointed out, we cannot be in the business of saying this is tolerated and this is not, that is not the role of WinMX users.
Like the lady the other day who found child porn on her boyfriend's (now ex-boyfriend?!) PC, just report the loonies to the people charged with prosecuting them and leave it alone otherwise. The other thing we can do (which I do a lot) is Browse people coming into my queue, & anyone with child porn or Nazi sh*t gets lashed off and goes into the Ignore list. That way, I exercise my choice, others can choose to tolerate if they wish, and above all the system don't turn into a tool of oppression.
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we have means of doing thisand we take the room name and ip we will report and name and shame enyone caught in theys rooms we have already got one room named and shamed but their are still running
we either want them to change the nature of the room o we will shut it down for good
KM --->(once you start getting rid of one type of room you don't like, what's to stop people saying "well, we don't like animal porn either" so you get rid of them, then "we don't like any porn", then "we don't like file sharing rooms",)
we will not shut down rooms with normal porn a we will never consider the shearing deal we only interested in shutiing down child porn rooms and animal porn rooms thats all!
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we mean no harm to normal users, we just want to get ride of all the crap on winmx!
no offence
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Just FYI on this subject, below you will find a link to a highly respected site that deals in eliminating and reporting this activity.
There is some great reading here as far as what you need to know, what steps to take to report child pornography to the proper authorities..
http://www.virtualglobaltaskforce.com/contactus/vgt/
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i think you have already seen my point, you have already started talking about other types of rooms you don't like being shut down...
as soon as you start attacking rooms because you don't like them, where do you stop? with 1 room left which has the job of explaining why the other rooms aren't allowed?
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i c you paoint to KM but there ppl wont give up on there rooms we have tryed telling them to change because of the nature of the rooms but they will not do it and ppl have been entering our saying
" thanx god you guys are here" and ppl who have already got this child porn done to them selves are thankfull that we will get ride of the filth!
but as i said we will not hit normal rooms eva!
\\//\\//police(ALERT) we are tryingto make winmx a safer place for children and older ppl aswell.
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sorry cant spell lol
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Hit?
This is exactly the type of activity that will not be totlerated... please be clear and careful what you say.
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sorry shut down a room
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i am relly sorry if yourupset about this but ppl on winmx have vbeen waiting for this for a long time and it has finally happend some good ppl are trying to help but we are getting juged for it sorry if we are muppets or hooligans but we have made our minds up and decided to do something good
sorry if im rude in eny kind of way
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I agree with alert, not in his ways of doing things, but these room should be stopped. The only rooms that need to be gone are child pornography rooms. They should be reported to proper authorities such as the link that ME HERE has posted. There is no need to go in an spam rooms. You may humiliate them in your own room but not anywhere else. If someone comes in and askes if they may post it in there room let them. If you take those steps you will achieve your goal.
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Ok I think I should clarify this better before we get off track here.
I would be upset with anyone that deemed themselves to be judge and jury of WinMX. I am not upset with your self personally however, as I spoke to you about earlier I think you can see that this could be abused.
I origanally asked you what your exact intensions are and plans for removing these rooms from WinMX. I never really received a clear answer on this and because this is a subject that really is important I will ask you again to please clarify for us exactly what your plans are.
I have seen plenty on your motives and they are noble and understandable, when speaking of Illegal Child porn.
I can go to the link I gave above and get a very clear explanation of what steps they take in dealing with this illegal porn and simply put, would appreciate if you could do the same for us.
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Here are our plans: 1. We will check out suspicious rooms. 2. if anything shows up such as child pornography we will take their IP addys and report them. Those are our plans.
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i c now why you are worring ok we will get info as omega said but if that can not be done we will have to warn them first about change room nature and get ride off all the child porn . if they want to then we take action.
\\//\\//police(ALERT)
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wont*
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if they dont want to get ride of the sick crapo then we take action i mean.
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sorry ppl but cant do it any more because they dont belive we can and the ppl whowere supose to help went away so enjoy it will it lasts
THEY DONT CARE
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sorry if i was rude but that is the way it gose sorry i will never try and help ppl again who ever reads this dont trust no one
and sorry km if im being mean and rude and me here sorry but i am relly up set that i tryed soemthing good and it went down the shiter AGAIN
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Alert, we were getting no-where with it. We tried and people laughed in our faces. Face it they wont change no matter what. I'm sorry if life is hitting you too hard but it will do that sometimes. You have a great idea and we don't want you to stop doing it. I have a great feeling that you will succeed. I want you to keep up the good work. I only left because i wasn't doing anything because i didn't know how. The only things I'm good at is WinMX and Computer Programming. I used to do some hacking but it has been a long time since I have and i forgot how to. It was also stressful. We would be trying to close those rooms all the time. The truth is I was tired. I am still all for your cause and I would like to see you keep it up. I am sorry if I have made you feel distressed. If you would like to talk to me I can be reached in Me Here's room.
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i dfint meen it like that but i had shit day sorry omega and your right ppl would laugh in our fadces about this but if enyone got eny thing to say about the childporn on winmx speak now because i will need your advice and support about this and who ever tryed this failed and i want to get ride of it so plz and when i mean get ride i mean SHUT DOWN ROOMS (child porn) NOT being a muppet and do enythign to other rtooms and thanx omega for soem help and me here thanx but i guess at the end of the day ppl give up very easyly so sorry ppl but im am bring
winmx police .
BACK
and i will not be talking to enyone that is not bieng supportive about it ok thanx guys and gals ill see you when ever .
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\\//\\//police(ALERT) is acting like the RIAA. The RIAA tried to shutdown WinMX. Now, you're trying to shutdown Porn rooms? I think all rooms should be welcome wether they are gross and discusting or full of nice, friendly people. WinMX came back in spite of the attack so will the porn rooms even if they are on another file sharing network. The point is they will always be there.
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This is from the international cyberpolice. p2p chatting will be banned until further notice. Any file sharers will immediately be arrested and held without bail until tried and convicted. All computers and cellpones will be shut down until further notice acctount of their misuse by pornmongers and other miscreants. Freedom of speech will no longer be tolerated.---------
Winmx is based on the premise that files can be shared between people who have paid for the right to share those files. Anyone remember the days when you sat around with your pals and shared music , the dreaded cassette and reel to reel. Why was winmx shut down? So we in turn want to restrict the freedom of others because we hate their ideas. Are you not doing to them what the riaa, mpaa and others are trying to do to winmx. When I first started with winmx and found the chatt rooms I was appalled at the hate --gay-- teen-- porn rooms. I also found rooms with nice and helpful people. If they gave a party and no one went would it still be a party? If no one goes to a room will it not soon die or serve no purpose.
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i have just read trough this thread and fell sick!!!!!!!
thos of you who are saying
once you start getting rid of one type of room you don't like, what's to stop people saying "well, we don't like animal porn either" so you get rid of them, then "we don't like any porn", then "we don't like file sharing rooms
THAY ARE KIDS ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THEM LENCES, ITS NOT JUST A FILE ITS A CHILED THAT IS BEING ABUSED!!!!
THIS PORN DOSNT MAKE ITS SELF YOU KNOW IT IS CARRED OUT BY THE SCUM THAT WATCH IT!!!!!!
AGAIN
Winmx is based on the premise that files can be shared between people who have paid for the right to share those files. Anyone remember the days when you sat around with your pals and shared music , the dreaded cassette and reel to reel. Why was winmx shut down? So we in turn want to restrict the freedom of others because we hate their ideas
ITS NOT A BIT OFF MUSIC OR A FILM ITS ABUSING CHILDREN
But if we are talking about attacking these rooms' hosts illegally also that is not something I would condone in any way shape or form. Not because of the legallity of it but the principle of the freedom to be on WinMX and the non existant rights to decide who else is worthy of that freedom
THESE SCUM DO NOT HAVE ANY RIGHTS!
the problem is simply we could never all agree on what goes; I hate child porn and the drones that create/sell/distribute/view it, BUT they might equally hate metal, or Spiderman or Sponge Bob
WTF IS THAT ^
I DONT THINK YOUR UP TO SPEED HERE !!!!!!!!
KIDS ARE BEING ABUSED AND YOUR WONDERING IF ITS BECAUSE WE DONT HAVE THE SAME TASTE!!!!!!!!!!!!
YEP I DONT HAVE THE SAME TASTE AS THESE SCUM!!!!!!!!
LIKE I SAY THERE ARE REAL KIDS ON THE END OF THEM CAMRAS ITS NOT A FILE AND THAY SHOULD BE STOPED
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Swapper your 100% correct in saying that it should be stopped. That I agree with, however your taking some of the things said out of context a bit.
Let me once again make our position clear.
There is a right way and a wrong way to go about getting these types of users and abusers of illegal child porn off of the WinMX Network.
It is not the place for an individual user to decide that they do not like the content of a room, or the users of that room. After all as Ghostship pointed out in another area some of these rooms could easily be sting operations set up by the correct authorities to get the culprits, also sending them into hiding can also make it more difficult for the authorities to get them.
It is however all of our responsibility to make the right decisions in reporting these individuals as we come across them for the proper authourities to investigate. Which is the entire point that I have been trying to make through this entire thread..
Again here is a great link to use when reporting child porn
http://www.virtualglobaltaskforce.com/contactus/vgt/
I will say again as it seems to keep getting lost in here somehow..
Is child porn ok, NO
Do we want it on the network, NO
Is it ok for individuals to decided that a room or its users are not worthy of being on MX, NO
Is it ok to DOS attack these rooms or use other illegal methods, NO
Should we become aware of how to report people that share child porn, YES
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as a father of 8 children i also belive these rooms are sick....
but having said that common sense is the better part of valour.
as me_here said attacking these room will only push these sick people into hiding or onto a different programme.
if there are ways go getting these peoples ips then by all means do so BUT report them to the proper place.
please dont play god and run the risk of them getting away all together,just think if you close there room what will they do???
stay of the net? hell no
cry and turn over a new leaf? hell no
what they will do is open a new room and just hide it from you easy to do really.
so whith that said i say find them yes,get there ips yes,report them,yes
close there rooms,no
you want to portect these kids then dont let them know what you have done let the the people with the powers to arrest these sick perverts do there stuff...
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right well as a father of 2 young kids this is what gets me!
in my 1st quote!
this is not a matter of it being the start of closeing rooms down !
its a matter of stoping pheadophiles perpitrating there crimes!
2nd quote
going on that these scum have rights to share files!
well no thay dont thats why thay get locked up!
and yes i want to resrict the freedom of others that share there sick files!
again thats why thay put them in prison!
3rd quote
again going on about not haveing the right to decide who uses winmx!
as a father and a human being it is mine and yours duty to have the right
to stop them at all costs!
4th quote
what kind of level do you have to get down to to compare it to not likeing sponge bob or heavy metal!
this is children being abused not a matter of taste!!!!!!
and to make it sound so trivial sickens me!!!!!
now i dont think iv taken anything out of context!
these scum ruin lives and in some cases take them!
this is just not file shareing this is sick!
i think as a father im quite right to decide that i dont want to share winmx
with pheadophiles!
as individuals it is up to us all to stop these with any method we can!!!
if thay want to continue to perpetrate the worst crime then thay should expect the full force of socierty!
i understand that you want to have them caught as we all do but surely
interfering with them communicating is a start!
as im pritty sure that thay would share directly once contact is made!
i understand your point that it will move them on but if other networks have the same like minded individuals the pheadophiles world becomes very static very soon!
if we all work together we can stop these scum useing the air ways!
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that is a very good argument you have ther and first off we just try and make things harder for them then when we get the info about them we send away.
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AND WE ARE NOT GOING TO SHUT DOWN ENY OTHER ROOM AND I WANT THE TO BE CLEAR WITH EVERYONE AND WE ARE NOT SICK PPL WE ARE JUST TRYING TO HELP YOUR KIDS AND YOU NOT TO BE A VICTIM TO THIS KIND OF SICK SHIT SO DONT EVER THINK THAT WE ARE SHUTTING PROBER ROOMS DOWN JUST CHILD PORN ROOMS .
!!!!!!!!!!ONLY!!!!!!!!!!
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WE HAVE CHANGED OUR NAME WILL GET NEW ADDY HERE SHORTLY
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a couple of people have said that my reference to sponge bob trivialises child porn. No, it does not, I was making a point about how THIS system should be operated, NOT that child porn is just one more "lifestyle choice" that should be tolerated, and it pisses me off that it gets twisted that way. This whole thread has rapidly degenerated from one about whether WinMX should deploy destructive tactics against specific users who trade in specific material to an argument about the rights and wrongs of child porn (like anyone has said child porn is a good thing, ffs!).
I don't have no kids, but for reasons of my own that I decline to share, child abuse in ALL its forms boils my f****** blood. BUT that does not mean that DOS or any other form of attack is the right way of combating it. As mehere and others have pointed out, those rooms might actually be used by child protection authorities to lure these "people" in, and collect what they need to prosecute. That is a standard and increasingly successful tactic, can anyone here actually say that they KNOW that these sick rooms are not being manipulated by the authorities? I think not.
This argument seems to have gone far enough, there are legitimate and effective ways of dealing with people in trade in this s*** and DOS and all the implications of that is not one of them, not on this system. That was all I saying, enough.
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if eny one who has a problem with this welll there not thinking strait sorry to say but you will be listend to IM SORRY IF YOU DISAGREE IN SHUTTING DOWN CHILD PORN ROOMS BUT YOU MAY WONT TO THINK ABOUT WHAT YOU ARE SAYING M8
wee we will make things harder for the sick mupets
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I think Toxic and others have made perfectly clear that we dont have a problem with you reporting these rooms to the proper authorities.
I for one have read this very carefully. It seems that its you that doesnt see that there is a difference between DOS attacking them and reporting them.
Several of us have stated its not them being gone we have a problem with, and have agreed with your goals, not your intentions. If you read back through your own posts it sounds more and more like your fighting to convince folks that sort DOS attack activity should be ok...Its not anymore ok then them sharing the child porn in the first place.
Toxis Wrote:
This argument seems to have gone far enough, there are legitimate and effective ways of dealing with people in trade in this s*** and DOS and all the implications of that is not one of them, not on this system. That was all I saying, enough.
Your response:
if eny one who has a problem with this welll there not thinking strait sorry to say but you will be listend to IM SORRY IF YOU DISAGREE IN SHUTTING DOWN CHILD PORN ROOMS BUT YOU MAY WONT TO THINK ABOUT WHAT YOU ARE SAYING M8
So this tells me that since Toxic is saying to report them, and your response is that hes not thinking clearly, that it is you that does not seem to understand what your saying.
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i am saying sorry to toxic that i am bieng rude and spit full but i feel strong about orry
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Kid dypics & Kid dyvids (Ad ult Chat)_C38022181A2B is hosted by IP 24.34.128.195 & Ki ddypics & Ki ddyvids (Ad ult Chat)_894E70441A22 is IP 68.112.78.37 those are the IP addys from the room hosts as of today nov.12 they also host Ki ds-r-Us (Ad ult Chat)_C38022181A2B & _894E70441A22.
Ki d pi c-n-vid and Ani mal pi c-n-vid sex _298923411B57 hosted by IP:65.35.137.41
Think i'm gonna report 'em too.
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I respect yall for what your attempting to do, however as a moderator here I have to ask you not to post room names of this kind on this site. This does two things, gives the Google a place on our WinMX help site to find porn references and give these sick rooms publicity.
For that reason the above post has been edited not for content but for disguising it from search engines looking for these keywords.
Please refrain from posting these here and if your concerned and want to report them I encourage you to please use the proper sites to do so.
http://www.virtualglobaltaskforce.com/contactus/vgt/
Thanks
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:oops: Sorry Me Here!!
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not that im sticking up for the hosts or the regs in the child porn, beasiality, sicko rooms...BUT...
ANY sick freak can have a room on winmx...all ya need is a good connection and a 3rd party server...perhaps the ability to read...but...it's not anyone's place to say who can have a room and who cannot...
that's like saying who gets to live and who doesn't...that's a God complex...
yes..those rooms are FULL of nasty freaky sickos...but all we can do to protect the ones we love (our children, our rooms, and our regs) is to keep a close eye on our children, checking files, and kickban'ing the sickos from the rooms
that's what i do, i want a fun room, with chatters that can talk bout anything..i browse everyone, check for any unsavory files, and kick/ban those that have them...
btw..there IS a warning bout the decentralized chat here on winmx.. no one in specific has control over the subject or content of the chat rooms... that's one of the attractions winmx has, we have what anyone wants... weather it be music, videos, ebooks porn....the list goes on...... all you have to do to see his warning is to restart your winmx and click on chat...and then READ the warning
no one can decide what rooms are allowed on winmx, you agree to that when you click the 'ok' on your warning page after restarting your winmx
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You can shut down the above rooms you don’t need to come on here asking for permission or to gage peoples opinions you can simply do it when you feel like it.
I understand that this is a discussion and I respect each individual has there opinions on what’s best but when in comes down to the crunch. WinMX has no rules you CAN have a say who has a room and who hasn’t you can play GOD not only on WinMX but also on the Internet in general. You can do all these things without breaking any law or indeed by breaking the law.
This is the nature of the Internet it can be exploited - technically the flooders don’t break the law they are exploiting WinMX's weaknesses.
Basically make your own mind up, use common sense - if anyone starts crashing even just a general porn room they go too far. There are clear common sense boundaries.
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technically the flooders don’t break the law they are exploiting WinMX's weaknesses.
I do not agree, orchestrating a distributed denial of service attack is clearly against the US law under which these companies operate.
I have read the trivia of the law on the aspect of who uploads to what and where but you are most definetly breaking the law when you act in the fashion they are, in many countries as well as the US.
back to the topic in hand ...
Whilst we are clearly against child porn in general we have asked all forum users to follow the legal path as that is the most sensible and effective course of action to deal with the problem, as you say common sense will dictate what people actually do, whatever they say here, and each user has to decide that for themselves.
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dudes and dudetts plz listen eny childporn WHAT so ever shall be brote down hard and fast the fact that you guys keep talking politics this a big matter CHILDPORN ppl this is mad you guys are like talking about attacks and stuff well what other way can we bring them down HUH? i will carry on with this and not give up plz dont juge me for what i do all i put this topic up for is to say come and join us and fight it and to not talk politics.
\\//\\//police(ALERT)
tyvm
I F**KING HATE CHILD PORN
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well said i totally agree
i think the child porn and animal porn r discusting and the people shuld be shot
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TY DUDE SOMEONE SEES LIGHT IN WHAT IM TRYING TO DO.
rannypanny dude or dudett you are a good thinker and we should shot them no mercy to pedos i say or dose enyone else a have a appinian they would like to shear with us about this >:)
\\//\\//police(ALERT)
tyvm
I F**CKING HATE CHILD PORN
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They should be dealt with, but they should be dealt with WITHIN THE LAW, else the rest of us lose our moral position..
That said, if society passed a law that said they should be stood in the marketplace in front of 200 mothers with a large supply of rocks.. I wouldn't object..
Yet part of me pitys them too.. they can't actually HELP what turns them on, anymore than I can help being turned on by women, or a gay man can help being turned on by other men.. or even than a bull can help responding to a cow that's in season.
It just seems that removing them from the gene pool so they don't breed others with the same problem would be a good idea.
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i dont care THEY say or you because they deserved to be bummed them selves them get shot
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Crashing childporn rooms is both pointless & stupid.. thing is it leaves the pedos free to peddle their dirt, reporting them through the proper channels that exist on the other hand may see them brought to justice, actually REMOVED from circulation, rather than just shunted elswhere or back online in minutes
THINK ON
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CHILDPORN ppl this is mad you guys are like talking about attacks and stuff well what other way can we bring them down HUH? i will carry on with this and not give up
then i hope you and those responsible for the attacks are prosecuted...
what you'll be doin is illegal, and morally it's not right for anyone to take the law in their own hands...
you realize..in some countries, our version of child porn is legal? i urge you to read this site:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Child_pornography
here are some highlights:
United States
In the United States, child pornography is prohibited under both federal and state laws with some state laws including more or less restrictive definitions compared with federal law. Under federal law, child pornography is defined as visual depiction of minors (i.e. under 18) engaged in a sex act such as intercourse, oral sex, or masturbation as well as the lascivious depictions of the genitals. Various federal courts in the 1980s and 1990s have concluded that "lewd" or "lascivious" depiction of the genitals does not require the genitals to be uncovered. Thus, for example, a video of underage teenage girls dancing erotically, with multiple close-up shots of their covered genitals, can be considered child porn.
United Kingdom
Under United Kingdom law, a "child pornography" image is an "indecent photograph of a child"; there is no specific requirement of sexual content, as nudity is sufficient for an image to be indecent. Similarly, "bikini" shots might be considered indecent. With a 2003 Act, the word pornography is used for the first time, defined to mean that "indecent images are recorded". Indecent photographs are defined in the Protection of Children Act 1978.
Germany
In Germany the definition for child pornography does not differ from that of conventional pornography. Sound and text can also be considered pornography.
Canada
Under the Criminal Code provisions in Canada, material that shows someone who is or is "depicted as being" under 18, and is engaged or "depicted as engaged" in explicit sexual activity, is classified as "child pornography".
New Zealand
In New Zealand any material that promotes or supports the sexual exploitation of children or young people, or tends to promote or support it, is considered 'objectionable' and is illegal. The definition can apply to text (including fiction), art, cartoons, still images or moving images. It can also apply to images of adult models who appear to be younger than their actual age.
Age of consent
In many countries, including the US, Canada, the UK, and the Netherlands; "children" are defined to be persons below the age of 18. In Australia, child pornography is defined to include persons under 16 years. However, although material depicting 16 and 17 year olds is not legally considered child pornography, it is still illegal. It is rated as "Refused Classification", and thus illegal to sell or distribute. The European Union recommends the harmonization of the age limit to 18 years. The Netherlands raised the age limit of a "child" to that number in October 2002. The UK Sexual Offenses Act 2003 did the same. It was compulsory to dispose of possessions that became illegal. The age limit in Germany is still 14 years.
i personally feel after you read that site, that you are WAY over your head with this issue, you're dealing with international laws, concerning child porn, let along international laws concering DoS attacks..and that is why the best way to handls this issue is to report the ip's to the proper authorities.
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I think the situation is 100% clear as Bearded and Lover Girl point out :
the best way to handle this issue is to report the ip's to the proper authorities
The above proven method allows for the detection and accurate targetting of those trafficking in this material, leave it to those who know what they are doing and how the law works.
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well I'll jump in here first I donot condone in any way CP but do we do we have the right to put in place locks to prevent such rooms? freedom of choice is the one thing that keeps winmx alive. \\//\\//police(ALERT) I see your point and agree that it should not be here but as you know IRC is full of it .and I think you will find that lately on most of the p2p groups what you find is from the big commercail sites. most of the ppl on here if they see a room dedicated to CP will pass it by.
would we the very ones that will not abide by the industry that curbs our right to share music,movies,and files. do the same thing to ones that in their mind think there is nothing wrong with what they do.
As much as I dislike the practise of CP I can not but think by putting locks in place makes us as bad as the music industry. we our selves can set the preferances to not see it.
Now dont take this that I condone CP it is a matter of (freedom of choice)
we must not forget this.
regards
logger
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Now dont take this that I condone CP it is a matter of (freedom of choice)
we must not forget this.
nobody would say your condoning cp but its not a matter of just a matter choice !
these are real kids
do them kids have a choice when there being made???????
no!
its not just sharing a bit of music or film its not a matter of taste its sick
simple as that!
\\//\\//police(ALERT) wrote:
CHILDPORN ppl this is mad you guys are like talking about attacks and stuff well what other way can we bring them down HUH? i will carry on with this and not give up
then i hope you and those responsible for the attacks are prosecuted...
what you'll be doin is illegal, and morally it's not right for anyone to take the law in their own hands...
you realize..in some countries, our version of child porn is legal? i urge you to read this site:
what goes though your head ??????????????
what happens is someone comes from a place where its legal and molests
your child would it be ok???????
i doubt it!
what about if he then whent on to share it with others who are making there own or mabe just thinking about it would that be ok?????
i doubt it!
do you have kids ???????
i doubt it!
i would bet you would change your mind if you did !
as a perent its not only your job to protect your kids but all kids
and as iv said there real kids being abused in them files
its not just data
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swamper I might have not explaned what I ment very well.
when I said freedem of choice I ment what was stated earllyer about blocks being put on winmx it self The only thing we can do as individuals is to make sure of the facts and report it . logger
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ok ppl if you want child porn to stay leave it you win i give up you can have sickos come to your room instead of me given them a hard time.
can i ask one simple question? ppl say that child porn is sick child porn is for muffs with out enything else to do well plz take note.
WHY DO YOU FIGHT AGAINST ME IF YOU WANT TO GET RIDE OF IT???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
there is no resone why i should get talked to like this because i now that you guys want to get ride of it as much as i do
tyvm no more talk bout this crap i give up ,I,, <O.0> ,,I,
!!!!!some body close this topic down!!!!!
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Many folks are disgusted by the activities of those who abuse children and those who supply pictures etc of abuse taking place, no one has said different, what is the issue here though is your idea of help.
As I have said earlier if folks wish to report any of this type of activity use the correct channels and leave it to those who can build a case against this sort of trade.
I think all folks have made there views clear and perhaps this is a good as time as ever to close this particular discussion.
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All this talk of taking the rooms down will accomplish nothing as it will drive the rooms underground....and for all of Alert's rants ...did he actually DO SOMETHING??? Heck NO...
Could he have done something??? I doubt it...as most of these "Hackers" dont know crap about what they are talking about.... The password cracker mentioned elsewhere on the site is just a dictionary program...laughable as I have always used and recommend using "phrases" over words MUCH tougher to crack...but even if someone did "take over" a room what is the worst they could do? Kickban the users? Change the MOTD? lol none of which is permanent as the host can quickly Unban or clear their banlist .... all this talk of taking rooms down is truely laughable....
OK! I'll step down off my soapbox....
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I, am a child, and i need porn! i hate normal porn... the people are always olf amd... yuch.... for the sake of children... Do NOT block child porn rooms :twisted:
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Bobo,
I understand you point, its one I have made myself often.
The point of this thread however is not the porn as much as the abuse of children by adults.
Although I don't condone the behavior of these Child Porn rooms, they do pose a threat to youngsters..,
the other point to this thread is that there is no regulations on WinMx and that's part of the beauty of it.
Besides that.. I am having sneaking suspicions that most porn doesnt use old people as actors, I don't think they often go into nursing homes to film these things... :shock:
As I said your point is valid, however misplaced in this thread I think.
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I Rarely Visit The Chat Channels, But Being A Passionate MXer
For Years This Issue Is Of Concern To Me And Should Be To Other
Users. Recently Various Groups And Warez Sites Have Been Taken
Down For Harbouring Kiddy Porn Sharers. With The Advent Of
Increased Vigilance By The Authorities To This End, We Have
Accrued A Number Of Porn Chat Channels. Recently, I Browsed
The Chat Channels And Was Surprised At The Number Of Porn
Channels.
I've Read The For And Against Opinions On Win MX World Forum
And Opinion Seems To Be Divided. My Thoughts On The Matter
Are As Follows:-
There Are Two Trains Of Thought On This Issue (1) Personal (2) Network
1. On A Personal Basis I Do Not In Any Way Condone This Behaviour
And It Goes Against Any Moral Standards That I May Have. Infact,
Anyone Who I Browse That Shares Porn Files, I Will Instantly,
Without A Second Thought, Hit Em With The Old "Ignore & Clear"
2. On A Network Basis Some Or All Of These People May Or May Not
Have Been Responsible For Helping To Rebuild, Or Indeed
Keeping The Network Alive & Well As We Know It Today.
Whilst We As A Community Try Not To Discriminate Against People
Because Of Age, Gender, Race Or Whatever, I Think That We Have
To Draw A Line In The Sand Somewhere. I Just Think Back to Not So
Long Ago, The Decision To Keep MX Alive Was A Decision Based On
And For The Community And Not Just Personal Opinions. From Daily
Reading Of All The Forums, I Know The Amount Of Hard Work That
Certain Individuals ( Too Many To Name ) Have Done To Keep Us Afloat
In The Face Of Tremendous Odds. I Appreciate "KM's" Concerns That
Where Do We Stop, Where Do We Draw The Line. I Believe That Any
Decision That Is Made, Should Be Made In The Interest Of Security For
The Network, And Not Just On Personal Opinion. We Have To Cover
Our Rear And No Doubt The Authorities Will Be After Us Under The
Guise Of A Network Of Kiddy Porn Sharers. For These Reasons I Believe
That The Chat Rooms Must Be Vetted And Instructed That This Is A
No Porn Site, And Anyone Sharing These Types Of Files In Their Rooms,
Will Be Booted. This In Itself Presents Us With Other Associated
Problems !!!
a) Who Should Make That Decision ?
b) How Will This Decision Be Implemented ?
c) How Will This Decision Be Enforced ?
d) Will The WPN Be Sustainable Without These People ?
I Have No Immediate Answer To These Questions And Simply Offer Up
My Opinions For Your Perusal.
Le WOMBAT 13 FEB 06
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As a father of 3 baby girls I would give my life for without hesitation I can say I'd love nothing more than to see each kiddie porn shares pc burn to the ground and their genitals scorched in the process. But my problem with that whole idea of removing them from the chats do to nonconformity (not being just what we like) only puts me in mind of the RIAA wanting MX closed down because we ourselves are not what they like.In American you are taught from day one to respect freedom of expression. No matter how much you dislike someones ideas or beliefss. Personally I think they're all sick bastards. But I like peanut butter n salad dressing sandwiches and wouldn't want those taken away from me. :(
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Its not just the freedom of speech aspect either, I agree with Nooky on this.. I would literally kill someone for messing with my daughter. Yes consider this a preemption of guilt if some bastard does this and dies later.. :evil:
However, We have no control over who sets up a chat room on this network. When we do claim to have that control and take actions against users for setting up chat rooms that are of illegal content then we are saying we are the judge and jury. So whats next, shall we be forced like Kazza to also police for copyright infringements?
The point is no control is a good thing.. even if its abused by some sick individuals. Report them if you like.
But I personally am glad you dont control me, I dont control you, this is a decentralized network and thats just the way it is..
I personally wish this thread would die a natural death, because We, Vladds site, Pie team, You, have no control over what they do here, the only way to take any action is to illegally attack them or to report them.
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lol, i can easily say that if everyone agrees that this stuff should be stopped than there really is no problem.
All in agreement, all in form, except when it comes to what actions should be taken.
For that we seperate the weak from the strong.
The stong have always put everything on their backs and came with a solution.
The weak rely on others.
That is what seperates us.
Now take what i've said and re read this thread... makes it real interesting.
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By the way, just because somethings illegal, doesn't make it bad.
Look at us.
Illegality doesn't constitute evil.
And civil disobeidience changed the world.
Keep that in mind "Me here".
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/me Makes it clear that winmx is LEGAL.
I dont know where you got the "look at us" part.
There is an Anti Child Porn room open that you can go and report. Just type in WinMX Anti Child Porn Room and you should be able to find it. I was in there till the host became a crab ass. Now I cant go in there and I am thinking about making my own. I do have the config from when I helped her host.
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hmm..
Well Omega if you do decide to open a similar room I hope you will be the bigger man and come up with your own configs .. I am 100% convinced after seeing your work on various other projects such as the game room and christmas room that you are far superior to the average person and designing a room.. :wink:
And if others out there are really doing this for the good of MX they wont be concerned with things like copying a room for this sort of purpose ... I hope.. :shock:
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Hi guys
Not had much time to run over the forums in a while but thought i would just add my 2 penny to the topic
I have to say i stand with ME HERE on this.
Are these rooms good NO
Do i get pissed when i see them invade my list YES
Do i have a right to shut down rooms i don't like NO!
as someone said in a early post it is a long and slippery slope and i know you say you will not bother anyone else. But if you suceed you will plant the seed in others that it is right.
They may say:
Do i like to see the White power rasist room NO
will i close them down today .......
i don't like Gays much either your next ... ect ect
what you are talking about no matter how well meaning is wrong. There are people who would love to censor the net. Don't help them
the best way to shut down the rooms is to report tham as has been stated.
There are lots of topics i see that i don't agree with but as somone once said:
" I do not agree with your views, but I will fight for your rights to express them."
( don't remember who )
now i am in no way saying that these scumbags have any rights but once you take steps along this road others will follow in your footsteps.
The good people of this site and others that fought to bring MX back to life. Did so for all to use.
It is not up to us to dictate who is worthy and who is not.
REPORT THEM AND GET THEM OFF LINE FOREVER
that will protect the children far better than hacking the odd room.
Send these B@stards to jail not to another file share program.
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Shut down rooms you don't like? No you don't have the right to do that.
Shut down rooms that are illegal, as in child porn. Yeah, you should do that. People are already getting popped like crazy for it. They are worrying about stuff like that big time now. Specially if the host of the room and users are in places such as the US. We don't need rooms like this on WinMX, will only give it a bad name. One room on it has already been busted. Made news...so maybe if we help rid out all those sick freaks from WinMX it will be better off. Child porn and animal porn rooms should all be shut down if they are illegal. Only way to know, is report them. They'll watch them, if they're doing anything wrong. They'll bust them. People on winmx aren't getting busted for downloading or uploading. But they are on child porn. Besides, more rooms like that are busted. More news about it spread everywhere. I've already noticed here lately. Many people from back before the crash have been coming back. Will be a good while for it to be like it use to be without major news. That child porn room that got busted was on many major news sites, CNN, ect. More news for winmx, more popularity back, the better we are off.
So I'm for the people that want to bust those rooms. Though, faces of death rooms. Nothing illegal about those. Hell, you can go out and buy the tapes anywhere now. Not something you'd bust. Child porn rooms would be easy to bust. So good luck guys. :P
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ERM James
"Shut down rooms you don't like? No you don't have the right to do that. Shut down rooms that are illegal, as in child porn. Yeah,"
Sorry mate but incase you have been on the moon for the last few years. Any room that shares files is Illeagal.
so by your own statement lets just close every room!!!!!!!!!!!!
There ya go problem solved!!!!!
No rooms and we can all sleep well at night knowing that. We have stopped them!!!!!!!!
Erm no all you have down is moved them on. THey will set up somwhere else and ply their filthy trade.
Or you can report them and have the nice men in blue uniforms go round. Take their PC's throw then in prison and let the not so nice men in a diferent kind of blue uniform have some fun at their expence.
NOW THAT SOUND LIKE A PLAN!!!!!!!!!!!!
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sorry james
i did not read your post fully before i posted my reply.........
we are on the same lines. get them closed down not closed them down by force..........
that will teach me to read a post before i reply.....
angain james SORRY :oops: :oops:
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They have no right to be on winmx! Shut down their rooms!
They don't even have the right to have a computer! Burn their PCs!
THEY DON'T EVEN HAVE THE RIGHT TO BREATH THE SAME AIR AS ME! KILL THEM!
I DON'T EVEN WANT THEM ON THE SAME PLANET! AFTER KILLING THEM, SEND THEIR CORPSE TO MARS!
You see the pattern?
Look, I hate thise sick b**tards as much as anyone. I am a father myself.
But is it right to appoint ourselves as police? No.
That's why there ARE police.
So, instead of us creating a bigger mess by handling things wrong, we should hand over any info to the ones who DO HAVE the authority to catch those jerks.
This way, you don't get into trouble when someone's ISP presses charges on you for illegal DoS attacks, and you don't do something stupid like hammering the server of a government agency who has a room set up as a trap for them. (You'd be in some sh*t then, huh?!)
So, again, handle it the right way. Don't scare them away where they go hide, and keep hurting children. If you really care about the kids, then turn them in to the ones who will go catch them and lock them away from kids.
THAT is the best help you can be. If you really want to help, then help. If you just wanna play NIMBY (Not In My BackYard) and send them away to do more harm, then by all means, start doing something dumb like attacking rooms. When you scare one away, and in a few years they end up hurting your kid, then you can pat yourself on the back and say "Wow, I did a good job!"
(If you can say that while trying not to cry.)
Or you can turn in their info and see them on the news as a striped-suit-wearing ass, like they should be. Then they won't have the chance to hurt children. They'll be too busy trying to keep their anal virginity.
Best Regards, and BE GOOD!
Scyre
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Ok folks I think we have all had a say here and any more posts are just rehashing the basic theme and geting us hits on google for the wrong reasons so I think its time to close this debate, I thank all those who have taken part and I believe opinions of many aspects where put forward in a sensible fashion in the majority of cases :|
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I think this strengthens the case for reporting this kind of crime.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/5106612.stm
Hres the address to report unsavoury activity, and as shown above it does work.
http://www.virtualglobaltaskforce.com/