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Offline GhostShip

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« on: November 06, 2007, 09:05:19 am »
No folks we are not opening up a coin tossing site just yet but I wanted to draw your attention to this recent occurance that has serious implications for the net across national boundaries.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/7074786.stm

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In February 2006, a part-time Canadian music student established a modest, non-commercial website that used collaborative wiki tools, such as those used by Wikipedia, to create an online library of public domain musical scores.
Within a matter of months, the International Music Score Library Project (IMSLP) featured more than 1,000 musical scores for which the copyright had expired in Canada.

In mid-October this year the IMSLP disappeared from the internet.
Universal Edition, an Austrian music publisher, retained a Canadian law firm to demand that the site block European users from accessing certain works and from adding new scores for which the copyright had not expired in Europe.
The company noted that while the music scores entered the public domain in Canada 50 years after a composer's death, Europe's copyright term is 20 years longer.

There is little doubt that the site was compliant with Canadian law.
Not only is there no obligation to block non-Canadian visitors, but the Supreme Court of Canada has ruled that sites such as IMSLP are entitled to presume that they are being used in a lawful manner. The site would therefore not be subject to claims that it authorised infringement.

Further, while there have been some suggestions that the site also hosted works that were not in the Canadian public domain, Universal Edition never bothered to provide the IMSLP with a complete list of allegedly infringing works.
Although IMSLP is on safe ground under Canadian law, the European perspective on the issue is more complicated.

There is no question that some of the site's music scores would infringe European copyright law if sold or distributed in Europe. However, the IMSLP had no real or substantial connection - the defining standard for jurisdiction - with Europe.
Indeed, if Universal Edition were to file a lawsuit in Austria, it is entirely possible that the Austrian court would dismiss it on the grounds that it cannot assert jurisdiction over the Canadian-based site.

 Making sites comply with all laws is an impossible task, and even if it did assert jurisdiction, it is unlikely that a Canadian court would uphold the judgment.
This case is enormously important from a public-domain perspective.

If Universal Edition is correct, then the public domain becomes an offline concept, since posting works online would immediately result in the longest copyright term applying on a global basis.
Moreover, there are even broader implications for online businesses. According to Universal Edition, businesses must comply both with their local laws and with the requirements of any other jurisdiction where their site is accessible - in other words, the laws of virtually every country on earth.

It is safe to say that e-commerce would grind to a halt under that standard since few organisations can realistically comply with hundreds of foreign laws.

Thousands of music aficionados are rooting for the IMSLP in this dispute. They ought to be joined by anyone with an interest in a robust public domain and a viable e-commerce marketplace.

Its likely a wise judiciary will merely ask the Canadian site hosts to block access to the server from countries likely to have a valid claim of extended copyright over the contested works, although for that to occur it would need to split the works into two sites to do so as many of the works are now copyright expired globally.

Iit really is a funny world where we hand out an important legal right to a single person/business for them to use that same right to censor anyone who feels motivated enough to recreate a work that has some emotional attachment for them, with this brain dead mentality is it a suprise the recording industries will decline also, not because they cant sell music but their continued refusal to provide what the customer wants, not all music is the same and whilst they are busilly focused on the bottom line they seem to be missing the concept of the new reality, happiness makes for a healthy consumer who will purchase the products or sounds that bring that happiness, failure to provide them is not a viable business option, extended copyrights serve no one.

Offline SamSeeSam

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Re: Heads You Win, Tails I Lose
« Reply #1 on: November 06, 2007, 06:06:12 pm »
50 years after his death...

Personally speaking, I don't know of many popular bands from that era, and artists, usually don't give a damn about priacy... They care more about their work than the way it is sold...

Flogging the bones of a dead horse in my opinion.

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Offline White Stripes

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Re: Heads You Win, Tails I Lose
« Reply #2 on: November 06, 2007, 10:27:30 pm »
ugh... just my luck that i learn of this site -after- it gets shut down.......

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