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« on: January 21, 2006, 08:22:23 pm »
This is a rather worrying request and even more worrying is the fact the search engine vendors are trying to hide their responses to it.

http://news.com.com/2100-1029_3-6029042.html

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Preparing to defend a controversial Internet pornography law in court, the Justice Department has demanded search logs from Google, Microsoft, Yahoo and America Online.

The department asked the search giants to hand over millions of records involving what search terms people have used on the sites and what Web sites are accessible via the search engines.

On one level, the situation involves a straightforward question of whether the department's demands are too onerous and therefore not permitted under federal law. On another, the dispute raises novel questions about search engines' privacy protections and the relationship that four tech giants have with the federal government


I find this very worrying for all internet users, perhaps its time personal info and information that could be used to identify people be routinely destroyed or a system made so its no longer possible to generate such data as it can be used by vindictive goverments world wide to force compliance with totalatarian regimes.

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« Reply #1 on: January 28, 2006, 11:49:36 pm »
A more informative article can be found here:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060120/ap_on_hi_te/google_records

The most interesting part I found was this:

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In court papers that the San Jose Mercury News reported on after seeing them Wednesday, the Bush administration depicts the information as vital in its effort to restore online child protection laws that have been struck down by the U.S. Supreme Court.


What that's basically saying is "We don't take no from the highest authority of law for an answer, so we'll just wait until we get two Supreme Court Justices nominated and try again! Oh, and in the process we'll trample a few more civil rights provisions,
but who needs those things today anyway, eh? Eh, citizens, eh?"

And meanwhile there's Yahoo, folding like a cheap house of cards. Don't get me wrong--I couldn't be any less surprised or more delighted about Yahoo basically coming clean as the most irresponsible internet company in existence--which they are--I'm just disgusted that people can use their favorit search engine without knowing what their data is used for.

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« Reply #2 on: January 29, 2006, 05:19:21 pm »
I agree Lysander a very worrying and uneccesary trend especially after reading this

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/4655196.stm



I think if a democracy has to stoop to such tactics and follow some self serving but closed set of mind, then we are all in danger from the power hungry zealots.

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« Reply #3 on: February 23, 2006, 03:18:50 am »
A small update on this story .

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/4731640.stm

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Google has formally rejected a demand from the US government to hand over a week's worth of search records.
The rejection was made in court documents Google filed in response to official demands for search data.

In the strongly-worded papers Google said the request would violate the privacy of its users and reveal trade secrets to its rivals.
It also added that handing over the data was impractical and would not accomplish what the government wanted
The documents go on to say: "Google users trust that when they enter a search query into a Google search box ... that Google will keep private whatever information users communicate absent a compelling reason."

The American Civil Liberties Union also filed court documents supporting Google's stance.


This should stoke the fires of pretend outrage, we should not be hunting down what alleged terrorists searched for on Google we should by taking a cool hard look at those asking for this information, can we afford to trust them ?

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« Reply #4 on: February 23, 2006, 03:25:58 am »
It's high time someone, anyone, had the backbone to stand up to the US government's increasingly Orwellian demands and atacks on the civil liberties that this nation was founded on first and foremost. I'm sick of seing person after person after company fold just because it didn't happen to matter right then. All this shows is that Microsoft is afraid of bad PR, AOL is afraid of going bankrupt, and Yahoo has no morals. Well, we already knew Yahoo had no morals, but I'm talking we the people as opposed to we the people that pay attention to the news.

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Re: US Federal Authorities Demand Info From Search Engines
« Reply #5 on: February 28, 2006, 09:02:49 am »
The "Justice department", whose name seems to be at odds with their activities in this case have filed a court breif to force Google to hand over the info demanded.

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/G/GOOGLE_JUSTICE?SITE=CAVEN&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT

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Concerns by Google Inc. that a Bush administration demand to examine millions of its users' Internet search requests would violate privacy rights are unwarranted, the Justice Department said in a court filing.

The 18-page brief filed Friday argues that because the information provided would not identify or be traceable to specific users, privacy rights would not be violated.

The brief was the Justice Department's reply to strident arguments filed by Google last week as a rebuff the government's demand to review its search requests during a random week.

The department believes the information will help revive an online child protection law that has been blocked by the U.S. Supreme Court. By showing the wide variety of Web sites that people find through search engines, the government hopes to prove Internet filters are not strong enough to prevent children from viewing pornography and other inappropriate material online.

I,m sure that they could have conducted the same research themselves rather than having to flex their political muscles at a company that provides a legitimate service.

We all know how easy it is to search on Google, so what are the goverment really after here ?

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« Reply #6 on: February 28, 2006, 11:27:43 pm »
Ghost Ship makes a good point here, but I can make another one:

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By showing the wide variety of Web sites that people find through search engines, the government hopes to prove Internet filters are not strong enough to prevent children from viewing pornography and other inappropriate material online.

Uh, Cyber Patrol doesn't censor Google search results. Never has, never will, and never should. What it blocks are those actual pages. No one cares if you can find the page on Google, that's completely irrelivant. All that matters is if you can actually click the link. And then, it's a that-website problem, not a Google problem. So again, the question: what is the government really after,with these? Is it simple stupidity or something more sinister?

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« Reply #7 on: March 13, 2006, 04:08:43 am »
The stakes are about to be raised it seems

http://news.com.com/Feds+suggest+21-day+deadline+for+Google+subpoena/2100-1030_3-6048488.html?tag=st_lh

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In court documents submitted Thursday to U.S. District Judge James Ware in San Jose, Calif., federal prosecutors said they need a prompt response because of the compressed schedule of the case. They're asking Ware to set a 21-day deadline that would begin as soon as he makes a decision.
"Delay in this court's resolution of the motion to compel would be unwarranted," the three-page brief says.

In January, the Justice Department asked a judge to force Google to hand over a "random sample of 1 million" Web pages from its index, and copies of a week's worth of search terms, to aid in the Bush administration's defense of an Internet pornography law. That information is supposed to be used to highlight flaws in Web-filtering technology during a trial in Philadelphia this fall.

The Justice Department subpoena normally would have been a routine matter, and America Online, Microsoft and Yahoo voluntarily complied with similar requests. But Google's resistance sparked a furor over privacy, with Sen. Patrick Leahy, a Vermont Democrat, asking the Justice Department for details, and a bill announced in the House of Representatives that would require Web sites to delete information about visitors.


A watched pot seems to take so much longer to boil..

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Re: US Federal Authorities Demand Info From Search Engines
« Reply #8 on: March 19, 2006, 12:05:18 am »
This should satisfy all sides I think as a sensible compromise.

http://news.com.com/Judge+Google+must+give+feds+limited+access+to+records/2100-1028_3-6051257.html?tag=nefd.top

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In a move that alleviates some privacy concerns, a federal judge granted part of a Justice Department request for Google search data but said users' search queries were off-limits.
JUdge Ware said in his Friday order that the government demonstrated a "substantial need" for Google's random URL sample, which it plans to run through filtering software to test the software's antipornography filtering prowess as the DOJ prepares to defend a child-protection law in court.
But the DOJ did not meet that standard regarding search queries, Ware said.

He noted that 50,000 URLs must be turned over, unless both parties agree to an alternative scenario on or before April 3.



I hope the US goverment are satisfied with this as there is no real reason for them to aquire IP adresses, they should still pay google for making this "reasearch" available as otherwise it sets a bad trend in demanding the results of other peoples work at zero cost.

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