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« on: July 06, 2005, 01:59:21 am »
Seems that eircom and BT Ireland are not concerned with why folks want you personal information.

http://www.enn.ie/frontpage/news-9617239.html

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In Dublin on Monday, the High Court was told that Eircom and BT Ireland would not fight proceedings by the four record companies -- EMI, Sony BMG, Universal Music and Warner Music -- that are seeking files from the ISPs. The files in question would allow the music companies to identify people who are thought to have uploaded hundreds, possibly thousands, of songs to internet-based file-sharing services.


Its nice of them to wish to co-operate with the record companies but the losers will be themselves as folks want to be sure that their personal information is not being handed out to just anyone and without a legal frameworkin place.
Asking the court to decide if a claim for the information is valid has always been the recognised method of protecting your rights, technically anyone now has free claim to your personal information, time to change ISP to one that respects you rights to privacy I guess.

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« Reply #1 on: July 13, 2005, 08:38:48 pm »
As Expected ...

http://www.p2pcore.com/stories/205.php

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The High Court in Dublin has ruled that the identity of 17 suspected music swappers must be handed over. The IRMA has stated that they will contacting the individuals and offering them settlement deals, the details of the settlement offers have not yet been made public.

The Director General of the IRMA had this to say about the High Courts ruling, “We will now be writing to the 17 individuals informing them of the seriousness of their actions. We will offer them the opportunity of settling the action. If they refuse our settlement terms, we will be forced to pursue the matter through the Courts. This is a last resort for the music industry. We hope that this decision will jolt others, particularly parents of teenagers, to realize that unauthorized file sharing is illegal and has consequences".


Looks like they want to sue their customers again folks and they are activly targetting children, yet  the ISP,s have not even bothered to get any sort of legal concessions to make sure BS law suits are not going to be instigated by these extortionists.

Shame on you Eirecomm and BT Ireland  :evil:

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« Reply #2 on: July 14, 2005, 01:04:20 am »
yet again they are contacting them and straight away trying to settle out of court. Any lawyer would only advise you to settle out of court if you weren't expecting to win, and you'd have to be certain you were going to lose to try and settle before the case even starts...

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« Reply #3 on: September 07, 2005, 08:59:21 am »
Here is the actual order, published at last  :)

http://www.bailii.org/ie/cases/IEHC/2005/233.html

I note the interesting clause at the bottom that says they are not allowed to name anyone they are not suing publicly..interesting  :wink:

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« Reply #4 on: November 21, 2005, 08:40:55 am »
Hmm it seems that there may be a few legal challenges in the wind   :?

http://www.siliconrepublic.com/news/news.nv?storyid=single5702

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In an open letter to the Irish Recorded Music Association (IRMA), online civil rights organisation Digital Rights Ireland (DRI) has said plans to take 50 individuals to court for allegedly making copyrighted music available to download may not stand up in court because of the ‘automated’ manner in which it scanned individuals’ shared folders and its ability to prove lost earnings for the record companies concerned.

On Tuesday it emerged that IRMA was planning to take legal action against illegal music file shares. If prosecuted under the Copyright Act, 2000 illegal music file sharers could face a fine of up to €1,900 for each song uploaded.

In April IRMA took cases against 17 individuals and companies. Twelve of these settled out of court at an average of €2,500 each. IRMA is still suing a further three and is considering its legal options in the two remaining cases.

Yesterday, however, DRI issued an open letter to IRMA raising issues outstanding since the actions last April.

The first of these issues relates to the manner in which the individuals’ shared folders on their hard drives were entered and scanned. This was done on IRMA’s behalf by a US-based company called MediaSentry. DRI revealed that in at least two cases in Europe — in the Netherlands and France — the use of MediaSentry resulted in the cases being thrown out of court because the use of the technology was not in accordance with the provisions of the European data protection regulation.

In its letter, DRI stated: “Data protection legislation provides that where personal information is processed in countries without adequate protection, those processing the information must take part in a ‘safe-harbour’ scheme. MediaSentry apparently does not operate within the safe-harbour scheme for data protection, although obliged to do so. As such, it has not agreed to handle EU citizens’ data in accordance with the European data protection regulations.


Oh dear those poor recording industry folks may now be at risk of  a countersuit for breach of European data protection laws  :o

I was suprised anyone settled as in most of the cases there is no real evidence of wrong doing, in the real world you have to have a live witness as a machine printout is unacceptable, something folks should remember before thinking of making a settlement.
In all cases consult legal advice, this frivilous law suit trick needs to be stopped dead in its tracks and a countersuit may be the answer.

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« Reply #5 on: January 17, 2006, 09:10:00 am »
This seems great news for Ireland  :)

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/northern_ireland/4616890.stm

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Northern Ireland has become the first region in Europe to have 100% access to high speed internet, according to the government.
The announcement was made by Enterprise Minister Angela Smith on a visit to the MJM Group, a specialist joinery company in Rathfriland, County Down.


Now the companies just need to make sure the other half of the country is as well connected.
The internet is a great community resource and I,m sure with more users from both sides of the divide online the gap of division will ease away over time.

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« Reply #6 on: January 26, 2006, 01:16:52 pm »
Oh look another case of the voices of interested parties not being allowed to be heard, how.... non democratic.

http://www.digitalrights.ie/2006/01/25/isps-ordered-to-hand-over-user-details-to-record-labels/

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The High Court yesterday made an order requiring ISPs to hand over details of 49 alleged filesharers to the music industry. After the first such order, in July 2005, we expressed concern about the procedure which had been adopted. When we learnt about this second application, we wrote to the parties asking them to bring these concerns to the attention of the court. Unfortunately, not all of these points were put before the court and the judgment of Mr. Justice Kelly doesn’t address these issues.

A particular problem is that the decision was made without the users being notified of the action or given a chance to make submissions to the court, despite an English authority recommending that this should be done, and contrary to the practice in the US where this must be done before the user is identified.

This sets a worrying precedent. There are many reasons why a person may wish to remain anonymous online - for example, a whistleblower who seeks to expose corruption or safety issues may be intimidated by fear of retaliation.

Irish Broadband couldn’t monitor usage. They had been caught up innocently in the matter. His clients did not want a perception that they had lost a court case to be given out if the court ordered that they should hand over their subscribers details. He stated that they were precluded from handing this information voluntarily as, per previous judgements, they have duty under Data Protection legislation to their subscribers.

Giving his judgement in favour of the Plaintiffs’ application, Mr. Justice Peter Kelly stated that the kind of actions at issue in this case were “A modern form of thieving.” He also clarified that the undertakings by the Plaintiffs to ensure that the information gleaned from the order is only to be used for the purposes it is given for specifically left it open to the Plaintiffs to allow the information to be passed on to the criminal prosecution authorities, and that “perhaps you ought”.



From the Judges last comment there I think He is telling them that if they want the info for "Alleged Illegality" then they should go ahead with a few cases rather than try the old extortion trick.

I am wondering where this leaves a falsely accused internet user who has had his details passed across to the recording industry who have been required to present no acceptable proof of illegal activity and instead are duping the court into accepting logs that are proof of nothing in themselves, that may or may not have an IP address the user is claimed to have held at the time once again thats open to dispute and who finds themselves being threatened by a litigation crazed Cartel ?

It has been my understanding of good law practice that you should have to present a sound and reasonable case at which any parties concerned are notified of should they wish to dispute any aspect of the case,this judgement fails in that respect and should be appealed as it goes against common justice.

The right to be represented at a legal case is an important one.

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« Reply #7 on: August 07, 2006, 04:28:52 pm »
I was looking around some of the older links today and this site interested me as it mentions an organisation is planning some sort of legal assault in Eire on the breaches of European law that the Irish government signed up to.

http://www.digitalrights.ie/

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Digital Rights Ireland has written to the Minister for Justice and Law Reform, Michael McDowell TD, and to the Minister for Communications, Marine and Natural Resources, Noel Dempsey TD and to the Garda Commissioner. We have looked for undertakings from them to cease breaching the Constitutional, statutory and European rights of the citizens of Ireland. Failing a positive response, we have instructed our solicitors, McGarr Solicitors, to prepare legal action

The full legal logic and list of points of law are on the site to mull over, the whole case concerns the validity of a law for data retention based on a claim it has EU law support under the data protection legislation, Digital Rights Ireland and the EU data protection Supervisor do not agree.

Lets see who prevails  :)

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