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Bob Halverson

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same files upload over and over again
« on: August 01, 2007, 12:38:31 pm »
I have (for the last few months) had increasing problems with some files apparently uploading muliple times to the same user(s).  I've IM'd them and asked them to stop reqesting a file they they already successfully d/l'd from me, and they say they're not requestng it.  This is not a one-off occurance -- it happens daily -- sometimes with the same users, sometimes new ones.  All that I've IM'd say they don't see anything on their end.  Does anyone know what this is?  Worm?  How to stop it?

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Re: same files upload over and over again
« Reply #1 on: August 01, 2007, 09:19:17 pm »
it sounds like ghosting try reinstalling winmx that should cure it i had a simular thing a while back & reinstaling it worked fine for me
      

Offline highnumbers

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Re: same files upload over and over again
« Reply #2 on: August 02, 2007, 01:47:48 am »
i just installed the WinMX v3.54 beta 4 patch, and the problem seems to have disappeared.  i'd like to know more about "ghosting" though.  i've never heard of that.  i tried to search on it in this forum, but there are apparently two very active members with "ghost" in their username that resulted in over 350 hits.  too many to wade through...

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Re: same files upload over and over again
« Reply #3 on: August 02, 2007, 05:58:06 am »
I think there was this kind of bugs some winmx versions, but not sure.

As for ghosting, [sort of a crude explaination, but oh well :) ]
If you connect to a chatroom and say, your power goes down and you restart, and you try to join the room again, then you join the room again, then you sometimes, see your name in the userlist twice. This is called ghosting. This can happen with other things as well.
This is because the server at the other end doesn't not know that you crashed and still displays your name in it...

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Re: same files upload over and over again
« Reply #4 on: August 03, 2007, 12:44:13 pm »
ok, i get that, but.........
i'm trying to understand why several days later i'm *still* trying to u/l a song that has already successfully u/l'd dozens of times to that user.  it seems like the req's must be coming from somewhere -- like either the requesting user or the server they were on...

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Re: same files upload over and over again
« Reply #5 on: August 03, 2007, 01:03:29 pm »
one thing i'm remembering now from IM'ing the users, they say the file shows as "incomplete" but they can't resume (file mismatch).  I've had that happen too, but if i listen to it, it's not cut off.  missing the last 400 bytes doesn't (usually) cause any harm.  so i just rename the file (get rid of the INCOMPLETE prefix), and i'm good to go.  i wonder what causes them to not get that last 400 (or so) bytes?  something in my box could be causing that.  i'll try the total reload...

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Re: same files upload over and over again
« Reply #6 on: August 03, 2007, 01:22:43 pm »
Highnumbers,

What Hell is talking about are ghost files.  Its quite simple really. 
It only happens to secondary users on WinMX.  WinMX is a decentralized network.  There is no central server that holds your files, secondary users connect to 'supernodes' aka Primary users and those primary users hold a list of that secondary users shared files.  When a request comes for your Browsable files, sometimes very rarely, the primary will accidently include files that are not actually on your system but are in fact on another secondary users system.  They are often japanese or porn files and the 'tell all' of knowing what they are is usually simple.  Click the 'Show Full Paths' button on the browse, if the drive letters and path are radically different then the other shared files (normal looking ones) on the browse its usually a ghosting problem and a bad primary connection. 
Cure: restart your WinMX, get a new primary to connect to and whala.. the files are gone.  Hence the name ghost files.

Now.. that all said I in no way think this is your problem.. after all it wont ghost perfect matching copies of files you already have.  So here is what I suggest you check if this happens again.  Go to your Library screen and make sure you dont have some folders shared twice.  Its really easy to do with WinMX v3.54 because of its Library structure.  When you add a folder to share it has ticked by default 'Include Sub Folders'.. many folks dont notice this and continue on sharing folders inside folders already shared just like you had to do on v3.53.   Its simple to check.. enter a chat room and browse yourself .. you'll see mulitples of the same files shared.  Its also easy to fix.. reshare the folders and when you do.. untick that subfolders box.

So now .. I dont believe really and I believe you asked them and they didnt know.. but Most have many many files they have set to auto find sources.  So if your strickly using WinMX Peer Networks and not opennap, I feel they may have tried to download more then one copy because you had more then one shared on a few items.  Which you now have fixed it would seem with your reinstall.

If you are talking about OpenNap its a whole nother ball game really. When you join more then one OpenNap network, there is a good chance that users searching for files will also be on those networks.  When they do a search for 'a' file the results will come up with that file listed on all the Nap networks your on.  When they click to download it, that magical thing we all love to see when choosing a file ... the others named the same turn yellow (meaning matching results)  and the newer users on Open nap think this will get them the files faster, they are actually requesting to download the same file from each of the servers they and you are on together and will wind up with multiples of the same file.

I hope this helps you understand this issue and anyone else in the future that may want to know or have this same problem.

Ok you posted while i was .. so let me address that mismatch issue too.  If users are getting that on your files its usually on thier end.  The best fix is to Right click the file while its red, choose trim 10K, do this about five times or until the file will resume, often with these you can get another problem.. you've trimmed enough off for it to think its resumming .. the bandwidth will say 0.00 on them.. and not move.. this just means to keep trimming until they act normal. 

Basically on thier end, the file didnt get to save the 'this is were we left off data' when they shut down winmx or something, and you need to trim it back to the last time it saved its place on the file.

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Re: same files upload over and over again
« Reply #7 on: August 04, 2007, 12:08:04 am »
WOW!  thanx for that very informative and detailed response.  there are several issues and tips in there -- it'll take me a while to absorb it all.  i *DO* appreciate those of you out there that really know what's goin' on and can explain it to those of us who are primarily "users" and not experts on how it all works.  i'll follow your advice and see if i can reduce these annoying repetitive req's.

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Re: same files upload over and over again
« Reply #8 on: August 04, 2007, 01:27:30 pm »
If they're running vista, and have their incoming files set to the default location setup picks, they will also have a problem that files actually complete, but never get renamed from incomplete, this may cause them to retry getting the files, if they were to redefine the incoming folder by picking it by it's absolute patch this would cure the problem.
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