Newest patch estimate?

[GhostShip]

The community are fully aware of all that goes on here, the community that has been here for the last 3 years that is, the attackers have not been here the last three years and so they will have missed posts making such information public.

Lets be honest here most folks use winmx they don't hide behind proxies, that's only something the abusers do and the vast majority of ordinary folks trust wmw to do as much for them as possbile to ensure the network stays operational and problem free, currently we have failed to keep up with the scale and scope of the attacks as they affect so many tens of thousands of users the staff pool is run off its feet, the attackers being ex winmx users know what to hit and why so I would prefer instead of questioning my loyalty or commitment to the network you take the matter up with NB and KM, they have the time to explain their actions and as they are the src of the problems they should have their time wasted as they have more of it that than staff here who have to work for a living.

[achilles]

How many coders are working on the new patch? Is it just you GS?

[GhostShip]

Atm the community have one main coder who is doing the majority of the work, I have done some portions of the work and do all I can to support the main man in whatever way possible, research, guidance on WPN theoretical matters and general reference etc, basically doing all that I can as the coders dogsbody..lol

We have had some input from Zenar to help with a specific problem we hit a hurdle on and that was of some help although obviously targetted towards that one problem, work is as always continuing around the clock and only stops when real life matters make their prescence felt, I hope the community is aware we are doing all we can given the limitations of not having a larger pool of ready talent to draw upon, progress will continue to be made but with fewer folks on the job it will of course take further time and this is the sole reason I asked for asistance some time ago, instead of folks coming forward we had further time wasted on unnecessary drama and show boating and thus for that reason I havent repeated the call for help as any real help has to come with an open hand and trust, and that it seems has been in short supply.

[Tommy]

Unfortunately I have to disagree GhostShip. It's hard as hell to find any information pertaining to what is going on. It's also hard as hell to actually find the latest versions (working ones) of 3rd party software. I understand there is an archive but how is anyone supposed to know which version of the software to download?

[GhostShip]

Tommy like yourself we dont have all the time in the world to do everything required, please feel free to organise such an effort if you wish, taking a role is a part of what being a community member is all about and you will always find support here for any help you deliver to the community.


I did the same thing myself when mx was being attacked back in 2005

https://forum.vladd44.com/help-for-users-getting-around-the-fake-file-flooding-t4153.html


Anyone can organise by simply making data available to help others, we are all in this together.

[allenx1966]

sorry yall...... i have never been in or started an argument here before, and i dont want this post to be one.     i just want winmx back.....   and i want it back without having to read 4 pages of tech help for my router telling me how many jigawatts need to be going into the flux capacitor in the gluteous maximus mode, making my medulla oblongotta hurt. ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

   so anyway, for now, as i said, limewire pirate is workin  pretty good for tunes.   if crappy ole limewire can work fine without a static ip, i would think winmx could/should as well .just wanting the  hard working people trying to get the new code worked out to also remember to try to keep it easy to use as well.....     thanks yall

 GS and others that work on this for free, hats off to ya ,you are appreciated

[White Stripes]

general lan tip (application agnostic);

'wired' computers should have static ips.... wireless should have dynamic with a specified range of ips that they can be allocated by the dhcp server so as to not bump into the static machines... mainly this for ease of use... laptop can connect to other wireless nets without issue but when at 'home' knows exactly where that shared printer connected to that wired desktop machine is (for example)....

[JustSomeone]

Until KM (Just someone above) started attacking the network and making it near impossible to monitor effectively we where in fact blocking those data miners from dll users, his ignorance of this explains why he was completey unaware why some IP's where on the blocklist.

Another backseat driver at work.

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Would you like to explain how this works to us ignorant clueless people who apparently know nothing about anything?

I have confirmed that they are not being blocked from connecting which as you know is basically impossible, as they use dynamic IPs on multiple residential ISPs, unless you are claiming that blocking one of the residential ISPs that had one of their bots on (along with the thousands of legitimate users on that residential ISP, the only ones really effected) is the same as blocking them all?
I have confirmed that the primaries the bots are connecting to are not blocking them from sending out searches on to the network, and the primaries on the network are not blocking those searches crossing the network.
I have confirmed that the search results being sent from the primaries that users are connected to on to the primaries that the bots are connected to is not being blocked (again basically impossible, as these are just normal primary-primary communications between legitimate users)
I have confirmed that the primaries the bots are connected to are not blocking the search results from being sent to the bots complete with user IPs etc (no doubt the main reason for their monitoring in the first place).

So, what exactly is it that you claim you are blocking? and why do you claim it is impossible to monitor? it's quite easy to see exactly what is going across the network and to monitor all traffic. You claim to have people who can make patches and replacement clients etc, but they can't make a simple program to connect to the network and see what data is being sent?

Even assuming that none of the winmxworld admins have found someone with a clue to hand them a decent monitoring tool, I know for a fact you at least have basic traffic monitoring tools that I gave you (you copy/pasted the output of one of them as your "see this is what is happening" even though it didn't actually show what was happening at the time) that make it pretty damn obvious where the majority of the search traffic is coming from, so don't try to claim total ignorance of what is happening on the network... (although it probably is accurate for you to claim ignorance of the network, how it works, what is going on, etc, it doesn't take a genius to see that 90%+ of the searches scrolling up the screen are the same searches cycling around in alphabetical order over and over again)

[GhostShip]

As you seem to falsely claim I have uttered statements and then continue on to make erroneuous answers to your own false statements is there any need for me to reply ?

I suggest you remember who your talking to and stop acting both childishly and against the winmx community.

All here are still awaiting your explanation of why you felt it was necessary to both attack the entire networks infrastructure and to hand out data to others wishing to do the same, what you may spam around the network cuts no ice when ppl know you as I do, lets have the unvarnished truth please, the folks deserve a truthful answer, especially as you have once again cost the network many thousands of users.

I along with many here used to look up to your skill as a developer and be proud to know you where on the side of the WinMX community, your recent actions have taken much of that real pride away, lets hear the honest reasons you have gone rogue and what you envisage this was all going to acheive, many want to know and its never been all about me, if I thought that it would seem to make your actions all the more pathetic.

[JustSomeone]

As you seem to falsely claim I have uttered statements

so are you denying that you said what was directly quoted from your post in this very thread?

and then continue on to make erroneuous answers to your own false statements is there any need for me to reply ?

so which of those easily checkable things was wrong? that was what i was asking, you said it was being blocked, i asked you to confirm what it is you are claiming is blocked when it can clearly be seen that none of it is being blocked at all

feel free to totally disregard the top part of this post and pretend it doesn't exist, as it discusses facts which can easily be checked and which show you to be completely full of shit, so skip past it and only bother replying to the second part with total bullshit that has no technical basis at all to distract from the facts

I suggest you remember who your talking to and stop acting both childishly and against the winmx community.

you are special? how dare i question anything the mighty twatship says by bringing up "facts"?

All here are still awaiting your explanation of why you felt it was necessary to both attack the entire networks infrastructure

I believe this was made quite clear, and in fact everyone seemed to know exactly what was being done and exactly why, except for you as you were the only one repeatedly going around saying "oh i don't understand, no idea why he is doing this, blah blah can't hear you telling me why, la la la, can't hear you, but he won't explain wh.. la la la can't hear you trying to tell me why, la la can't hear you" etc etc for over a week... you totally ignore the vast majority of the things that are said because they don't fit with your bullshit - for example you agreed that I was on the block list, you agreed that you added me to the block list for refusing to unshare files after you demanded i do so, yet you denied that any users were ever placed on the block list for sharing files you didn't approve of. you admitted that the block list contained various specific entries, you agreed those entries were the IP addresses of chat hosts, then denied that you have ever blocked any chat hosts, etc...

and to hand out data to others wishing to do the same

You have been repeatedly asked to justify this claim, every single person who has any demonstrable competence (which btw does not include you as you have never demonstrated it, just repeatedly claimed it) seems to agree that you are totally wrong, yet you keep insisting that a list of what the specific fields are for is "totally harmful damaging information", when in fact the information needed for an attack has been public since before frontcode shut down, and the additional information I released was only useful to save a bit of research time if someone was planning on implementing a full client.
For example the primary TCP data you keep shouting about is 5 lines of text, all that is needed to be known from that in order to launch the attacks is the length field to be able to form valid packets (the rest you can put anything in/copy straight over from existing packets/etc), which is pretty damn easy to work out from any of the open source chat servers floating around (perhaps you couldn't because you can't understand "all that complicated cody stuff" that programs are made from, but that's not really relevant as anyone who can't understand it also couldn't write it to make use of that information!)

what you may spam around the network cuts no ice when ppl know you as I do, lets have the unvarnished truth please, the folks deserve a truthful answer, especially as you have once again cost the network many thousands of users.

I have not been spamming anything around the network, I haven't even really been on it much, however when I have popped on I have seen many people trying to tell you what a power mad idiot you are, plenty of people using technical reasoning for explaining when you are wrong about things etc, i assume this is what you are referring to? as anyone who disagrees with you is obviously just one of a small group of people saying whatever I tell them to say without thought, whereas everyone who agrees with everything you say without needing any technical justification for it is clearly a free thinking intelligent person who has made their own mind up, is that a good guess?

I along with many here used to look up to your skill as a developer and be proud to know you where on the side of the WinMX community, your recent actions have taken much of that real pride away, lets hear the honest reasons you have gone rogue and what you envisage this was all going to acheive, many want to know and its never been all about me, if I thought that it would seem to make your actions all the more pathetic.

I believe the one who has "gone rogue" is the one abusing the block list to try and block users they don't like from connecting to the network... And regarding looking up to peoples skills, perhaps you should stop insisting that every single person who has actual real demonstrated skills (no matter how small) is totally wrong and clueless, yet you with zero actual technical skill are totally right? The problems are your own creating, you have turned everyone with even the most insignificant skills toward hating you and your control of the network, and rather than admitting that your problems might possibly be your own fault, you are blaming everyone else...

Please make a mental list of all the programmers you know of on winmx, all the people who have released software, then on that mental list ask yourself how many of them are totally clueless and you are way better and way more competent than them (despite not being able to make even simple programs), and how many of those "idiots" that are "totally clueless" are pissed off because of you dismissing their technical suggestions without even considering them? For example I have seen you repeatedly saying that it is a great solution to have winmx make thousands of TCP connections, even though you have been told many times by numerous "idiots" multiple reasons why that is simply not practical, are they all wrong? have you tested how totally wrong they are and confirmed that your great and wonderful solution is perfectly viable before telling them what a bunch of idiots they are for disagreeing with your expert opinion? And for the record, the actual list of problems with that suggestion is actually even longer than just the few things i've seen mentioned in public that you have totally dismissed as irrelevant...

[doingwithout]

I don't know squat about code. I don't know who did what to winmx.  
I do know that over the years I have been given and have shared thousands upon thousands of files, but now it doesn't connect.  Just says "connecting" on secondary or "p=0 s=0" on primary.
I guess someone smarter than me turned it off.  

I REALLY wish someone smarter than me would make it work again.

And frankly, I don't care who said what about who. It's sad to lose such a good program to such petty concerns as who is smarter or who has more friends or which files one group or person thinks should or shouldn't be shared.

Is ANYBODY happier now that winmx doesn't work? Does anybody (except the RIAA) win this way?

doingwithout37
 

[achilles]

If we could only find a few more skilled coders that has a personal interest in coding a P2P client we might get somewhere.  Too many people in the wagon, and not enough people pulling. Also instead of all the fighting, and wasting time coder could be working on their own version of the client if they don't agree with the coders currently working on a client.  Build your own Mx Client, and let the users choose which one they want to use.  As long as the network protocols are shared then several clients could be used on the same network. A little competition will lead to a better quality client anyways.

[achilles]

BTW.. I do believe they will pull through with a new patch. I'm confident the new patch will be more secure than the old one when finished so something good may come of something bad in this case.

[GhostShip]

Michael, I asked you to tell us for the record here exactly what your issues where and why you have damaged the network, its a polite social mechanism called "framing the debate" so folks know from you yourself not third hand what your concerns where and why you damaged WinMX in the way you have with little thought as to the consequences of your actions.

The simple reason why I am no playing your yes and no game is because when I say things they are said in context to others things, you at random pick and choose the answers to questions and pretend those answers are the ones to those specific questions, when you do this your being dishonest and misleading people and you have been doing this for some time now, I note you did not answer fully why you felt your rights superseded those of every other user on the network, why when you had NB your long time friend on instant messenger you shared in public damaging material and material you don't even own the rights to share with the disgruntled elements of WinMX, you have facilitated by that one action alone every single ensuing attack on this network even if you have not done it personally, to pretend otherwise is deluding yourself, have you forgotten what right and wrong is ?

You repeatedly lie regarding what I have said or not said, your ip was added to the blocklist and you where contacted to ask you to stop sharing such damaging material and lets not be dishonest here the blocklist was designed to blood attackers from the network , I am sure all agree you handing out the material to facilitate attacks on the whole network is an attack and thus your inclusion was fully legitimate, however that aside you have forgotten to tell the userbase how long that you where on the blocklist and why I told you you where put on it in the first place, within minutes of you urging folks to grab the material that I was aware would do near irreparable damage to the network I made efforts to contact you and did so , we spoke briefly enough for you to confirm the vendor of the material was actually yourself and that you where refusing to unshare it, of course at that time I was treated to a lot of angry abuse and your IP was unblocked after 30 minutes as it became clear it was futile to attempt to hold back the tide of distribution.

That's the real story and one that shows I was acting in the best interest of the userbase with the full knowledge of what damage your act was going to initiate, I would like you to look at your actions and tell me what you would have done different had you noticed some users aiding attacks on the network of a most destructive nature ?

Can you even understand the scale of what your actions have caused and be a man enough to apologise to those who thought no fault of their own have lost friends and been prevented though your actions from enjoying the network you yourself used to cherish, that's really what disappoints me, I find it beyond comprehension that you undertook attacks and then tried to create a reason to do further damage, I have your own words to Josh logged here and from those its clear until he spoke out you where conducting anonymous attacks on the network, I truly feel if you have to bend the facts to suit your new reasons for attacking that you are not being honest with not just me and the users but yourself, I will deliver a quote from KM right here to show that he understood 100% what damage his actions would cause.

this information in the wrong hands is extremely harmful not only to the entire network, and to every single user on it, but also endangers every other user on the internet even if they have never heard of winmx before

Taken from this thread here for those that want to read in context

https://forum.winmxworld.com/index.php?topic=5396.0.html

I dont have to make up anything as you yourself understood exactly what you where doing.

You have been reckless and irresponsible, you have taken it upon yourself to try to censor those who stand up for whats right by attacking the entire network, the chat rooms the peer caches and acting as the worst sort of dictator, can I ask that you look in a mirror before opening your mouth again as its clear you don't really seem to have a grip of reality.

I can sit here and show why I did what I did without all the off topic and paranoid rants is it not time you simply took on board what I am saying and take responsibility for your actions in releasing the material you said should not be released or are you going to remain a hypocrite ?

[GhostShip]

Achilles, its refreshing to hear you have similar aspirations as myself regarding our future, when the community comes together it really is a force for good and we can all gain from both the work and the sentiment behind it, WMW don't own or control the network as some would make claim.

We do have areas of this site where we responsibly share material of usage to coding folks and I always felt this was preferable to irresponsibly handing out tools or information to those who would attack our home here, I'm aware some folks are upset about not being included right away in this group but its really a trust based group and thus the preferred rational and respectful dialogue is often achieved that may not be possible in the public areas, all there can have a say or take part as many voices and opinions are better than a single one its this ideal of a brains trust that was the idea behind it and also as a space where when key members of the community leave for their various reasons not all of our community resources are lost.
I have spent a lot of time and effort on making some inroads into a future by stimulating efforts and discussion on the way ahead but all that is redundant unless we have a community and an active pool of minds all working towards a shared future that is not monopolised by any one singular group, its a lofty set of ideals but its where I believe the path to the future lies and we should where possible all try to add our voices and knowledge to bringing about any proposed changes in a peaceful fashion, I truly believe we need a new client but its not for us here to demand of others that they make usage of it or that they even aid in its construction but I for one would prefer our many community facets at least looked at the idea and worked up through dialogue a common consensus on the way ahead, it should never be about personalities but shared ideals, folks like myself often act as orators for one group or another but the root and branch should always be vigorous in speaking up their hopes wishes and concerns, we need hope and unity if we are to move ahead and that can only ever come from agreement and trust, I hope all here understand its a duty to raise concerns where you think there are problems, we all owe it to each other to get along where possible and keep our home here alive for as long as we can, we have all fought for it and we should all work to improve our lot when opportunities present themselves.

[JustSomeone]

I won't even get started on your "asking" me to unshare the files, because we both know that's about as accurate as a police officer "asking" someone to put hand cuffs on... And of course the "abusive response" is the equivilent to asking that police officer "why? what have I done wrong?"

So, should I assume you will not back up anything you say with facts and evidence yet again?

The sole justification you have for claiming how harmful that frankly worthless information is, is a quote from someone who you claim is... well, what is it? am I someone who knows what i'm talking about or not? You have been repeatedly asked to explain in what way any of that information is harmful, would it be correct to assume that the best you can come up with is "err, i unno, i not two smart bout fings but i here that someone said is harmful or sumin before he said different"? I shall ask again, please do explain exactly what information it is in those files that was so dangerous and exactly why, you have after all "claimed" that you know how winmx and the network work, so you should have no problem explaining to us idiots who have merely "demonstrated" knowledge exactly what it is that we are apparently all missing.

And I am so sorry for disregarding your rights to mine and eagles work, I wasn't aware that you owned the rights to our works, I was obviously assuming the standard practice of "the creator owns the rights", I hadn't taken in to account that all rights over anything winmx related were monopolised by you...

I'm sure this is where you claim that you were defending eagles rights, to which I can only remind you of this:

00:12:23 EaglE with km, for the sharing
00:12:59 B-Twixter your saying its ok for you to share eagles stuff 
00:13:04 B-Twixter it wasnt yours
00:13:16 FalsifiedAlias eagle: do you think people should be block listed for sharing your code?
00:13:40 EaglE no FA

(lines removed as there were about 10 conversations going on at once, missing lines available here full log here if you can be bothered reading it)

Followed by asking you if you are doing the same for the rights of your pals in the RIAA? are you blocking people for sharing their files? because i'm pretty sure they would actually agree with you doing that, so in that situation you would actually be doing what the rights holders wanted you to do...

And for the record, as I have explained before, the primary motivation I had for trying to keep information from being too widely spread was to maintain control over the network, The same reason I believe that GhostSilver continued with that claim. The network is so fragile that anyone with the ability to write a simple program has had the ability to do serious damage ever since nushi released source code for WPN encryption along with some nice handy protocol analyser tools (you know, the ones that even you were able to figure out the basics from quite quickly...) Not to mention source code to functional primary clients which could also be used if the protocol analysers weren't useful enough. The UDP listing was just to save someone some time as that is more of a time consuming process to work out the details for each specific packet, TCP is pretty damn simple and I literally threw that file together from memory minutes before sharing it (indeed it had a pretty obvious mistake in the initial version where i hadn't proof read it), which is also why it only covers the useful packets that are all over the place and not a complete listing.

[GhostShip]

Cutting and pasting only the bits you like again Michael ?

I think we can all see you show no remorse and still refuse to accept what is common sense to all, its pretty pathetic reading some rapist saying look she made me do it when the facts are no one forced King Michael to attack the network and supply attack tools to others to also join in the attacks.

KM himself makes it clear that he had access to me to take up any serious concerns he had issue with and yet did not do so, that alone tells the truth of the matter. He also made no effort to speak to WMW either instead preferring to abuse the only person he remembered after being away for 3 years, WMW leadership had moved on in that time but Michael it seems was living in the past and so was his sidekick NB (many of you know Oystein as "Splintered") who posted on this site about returning to winmx to attack pie simply because before both he and Michael left all those years ago that's what they both had fun doing.

Why you think your the WinMX expert is something only you seem to understand, you have in the past made some amazingly wrong claims that perhaps others might have forgotten but I haven't, anyone going over to vladds can find posts from KM here stating that the flooders cannot be blocked, Sabre also made the same claim back in 2005, both self professing experts where proved wrong, KM also stated a patch could not be made that filtered out the flooding without exposing the primary TCP protocol. Once again he was proved wrong with the community patch design we asked Eagle to deliver when KM was demanding no one use his patch software in 2007 and then proceeded to attack the vital peer caches with a modified WCS version, for a WinMX expert you sure make some big clangers.

I question your expertise I question your morals and I question your right to destroy the network simply because you where too blind to see the networks resources had been shared amongst many rather than all under one hand as you ran things back until 2007, face it Michael your ways are not my ways and I don't have to hide in shame for smashing half the network 2 times in a row, your snippets above only serve to prove who was acting to protect the network in the only possible way to hand and who was bent on raping it and its users. Your own logs show there was no malice involved no swearing no name calling but a firm demand you unshare that material as we where both aware of the carnage its publication would bring, I note you haven't addressed why you think it was ok for you to release the protocol info in 2011 but threw a major wobbly back in 2007 for us even thinking about using it partially.

I am truly ashamed of you, I hope in time when all the logs are exposed people can see you for what you are and what lengths you have gone to to attack abuse and mislead and for what, because someone told you right from wrong ?

From a virtual brother to simply an enemy of all winmx users, you disappoint me, I will forgive you in time as I will remember your glory days and how you delivered the community from near extinction back in 2005, but for now I only feel shame for even knowing you and sorrow for the hate that obviously fuels you.

[JustSomeone]

So, you don't have any evidence to back up a single one of your claims? just making more false statements backed up your evidence and justification of "because I know this to be true, so it shall be accepted as the truth"?

you see that full unedited log which you claim to be "cutting and pasting only the bits you like", that is what is called evidence, and people making statements based on facts use those "evidence" things to demonstrate that they are talking about facts, they are the opposite to people who just repeat the same thing over and over again and refuse to back their claims up with a single fact who are often known as "bullshitters". You'll note that whilst trimming the unrelated text from the middle I also provided the full unedited log so you could confirm that it was not manipulated or out of context, I assume you agree that the extract is accurate and representative of what was said, as you failed to provide any corrections?

I shall repeat YET AGAIN, do you have a single shred of evidence for your libelous accusations, and do you have any actual real world factual basis for your claims that the information is harmful that are not based on quoting the very same person that is telling you that you are wrong?

I expect your next post to yet again contain lots of assertions about things without a single link to any logs, and more unfounded "well it's harmful because it's harmful" without any actual technical justification for what "harmful" information is in those files, because that's all we ever get...

And by the way, I totally agree that you are being totally truthful about the fact that you are not the one calling all the shots around winmxworld, that explains why those excite (the residential ISP that you have incorrectly labeled "IIJ" to hide the fact that you are blocking a residential ISP) block list entries that toad (the apparent site owner) wanted removed from the block list but you wanted kept on there are all gone, also explains why none of the admins points to you as the person in charge that makes the decisions and is the one to talk to etc... I'm sure you can also confirm for us that you do not own the winmxworld domain names any more? as all toad would confirm is that he was not given the domains when you claimed to have transferred ownership to him.

[silicon_toad2000]

I don't recall confirming anything of the sort KM.

I recall saying that the names of the domain owners are their information to make public as they see fit.
I would not encourage any of the domain owners to make the ownership of their domains public knowledge.

[achilles]

So are you one of the attackers KM? Have you made attacks on the network? If so then why?