WinXP

[Bluey_412]

Miners, I isn't just a 'most people'

You also revealed what is probably the major cause of it all up there: 'HP does not like...'

I could wax lyrical about the issue, but how that company can get so many people to pay so much money for some of the nastiest PC's I have ever seen is beyond me, with Dell running a close second

Apart from brand-specific parts, and poor-quality parts, things like insufficient memory, shared memory (For the GPU), PSU's that struggle to power the factory spec system then people wanna add stuff, then you pay 50 to 100 percent more than you would for a better-built white-box...

Then we get the brand AND model specific OEM o/s 'recovery disk' that you have to make when you first buy, cos they are too mean-fisted to supply a 50-cent CD...

Right here we recently went thru the exact same greif with a HP box, oh dear, drivers, etc problems, then stumbled across forums discussing the horrors of the particular (so-obscure-you-couldn't-buy-in-a-shop MOBO)

Everything available for it was Vista-specific, forget about XP or Win2k or Win-7 drivers, this sucker was wanting to run Vista, nothing else...

It would be good if the bashing of XP was to cease, at least you could/can stick it on near anything...

[Hooked]

...stuff.

I thought you said you "could" wax lyrical. 

I've been trying to avoid this thread.  I couldn't tell if this was going to be a serious thing or if it was an attempt at trolling.  Bluey called it.  "HP doesn't like...."

...also non affectionately known in some circles as 'Pew(let) Hackard'. 

I just pulled an old single core something or other and a BIOStar Mobo from my mothers computer and installed an I7 920 for her.  I'll send you the board and processor for free if you'll promise to scrap that near proprietary thing you have that is HP.  ...also, the free cpu/mobo in question ran XP just fine.  Think of it as a free upgrade maybe?

[hollow87]

You should really think of upgrading your computer within the next 2 years if XP was running ungodly slow for you and 2k3 isn't as in 2 years windows 2k3 support will end.

[White Stripes]

@miners; i have xp running just fine on a coppermine celeron machine with 256mb of ram... oh... and its a heavily modded board that used to be a mitac but now is very compaq specific... is an i810 chipset with i810 video disabled using a sis 6326 in its place.... if xp runs on that mess of a machine i dunno what you are doing wrong...

@bluey; oems arent bad if you can get bios updates or.. even better.. hacks... ...granted not practical.. but fun...

and i have to one-up you on hp vs dell... dell has those boards with a standard power connector with non-standard wiring... may have been able to get the board running had i known the wiring wasnt standard.... just glad the psu took it well and just made a squeak noise instead of exploding....

@hooked; if miners doesnt take you up on the free board offer can i?

[Hooked]

and i have to one-up you on hp vs dell... dell has those boards with a standard power connector with non-standard wiring... may have been able to get the board running had i known the wiring wasnt standard.... just glad the psu took it well and just made a squeak noise instead of exploding....

A squeak is much better than a poof, snap, sizzle, and/or a boom.  I'd take that any day.

@hooked; if miners doesnt take you up on the free board offer can i?

I should have stated that it was for the OP.  So long as the OP doesn't want a freebee (minus shipping of course....), it's yours.  I'd hate to see the OP waste some brand new, functions just fine XP software.  I'd like to see the OP get it...I've done the whole HP/OEM XP thing before.  It was a fun learning experience.  I'd like to pass that joy on.   

..and yeah, I'm serious about the board. 

I'm having one hell of a night trying to not be a mean ass...it's a work stress induced thing.  Forgives in advance?

[MinersLantern]

I did not say that my pc was HP. That was just the printer and also scanner.

Got around HPs hate of win2k3 anyway. Make windows go hunt for the driver, actually, any old driver for HPs 'supported' OSes will do, within the bunch of files you get when you take their several hundred megabyte exe file and use 7zip to extract all the individual files out of it.

Windows simply uses the real driver (skipping the extra bloatware 'features') and could care less if HP approves or not. Poof! Printer and scanner now work fine.

Oh and the awful performance of XP isnt because my pc is obsolete or too slow or whatever. If it were too slow to run windows it would perform equally horribly on 2k xp, 2k3 or the newest versions of linux, and I am certainly not about to skip a house payment just for the joy of running slow software faster on a faster machine.

As for the thousands who have no problem with xp, maybe its because most pc users worldwide are perfectly happy if they can lookup a food recipe, check email, watch a little porn, then go to bed. They mostly have no idea what a computer is or what it can do. Most cannot even make their own alarm clock stop blinking 12:00 unless someone does that for them. Seriously.

I disabled all un needed services too on xp. I automatically do that anyway no matter the OS. Including the indexing of the drives to speed up search which I use maybe once every 2 years.  Another less than impressive feature was system restore. That still doesnt work properly, not even on Win7. The only fix is disable that evil thing and backup the partition using linux. Do that and you get a true restore, exact in every detail, perfect 100% of the time.

I found that out on my win7 netbook when I installed a few things then decided to get rid of them. System restore just resulted in an unbootable pc.

XP was not only slow on networking it was just laggy in general anyway.

win2k3 is still behaving very nicely, even though I expected problems doing all the M$ updates.

Now the problem is that a partitioning software product I like Easus partition manager, normally free for home users, refuses to install. Because win2k3 is a 'business' OS, therefore you own a business, therefore, pay us money if you want to install it. lol

Sorry but I dont own a business ya silly company. After my next imaging of the drive tommorow I will try some things to hack that douchy installer too and get it running anyway.

Cheers! 

[Bluey_412]

Put XP SP3 on it

'twill work

( I think this boy just hates XP for No Good Reason)

[White Stripes]

only thing i can think of that would make xp lag compared to 2k3 is the 'skin' of xp causing problems with the vidcard... but on the other paw... the skinning function works just as well with a S3 Trio (the card vmware and dosbox emulate) as it does with the latest nvidia/ati polycruncher g-wiz (heatbelcher edition) 

[White Stripes]

..darn.. no edit button..

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/S3_Trio

guess i should mention this chip was made circa 1995... so uh... yeah.....

you sure the copy of XP you are using isnt screwed up in some way? (misuse of nlite for example)

[MinersLantern]

I like to 'Troll' what else is interesting in life? Sex? Growing a garden?? Working???

I Almost decided to go back to win2k. Seems win2k3 is a 'business' operating system.

Meaning that everyone that writes 'free' software on the condiition its for home use, will want to charge money if it involves win2k3.

I call that racism. Who decided for me that I own a business?

I simply want speed. A business would be nice too, but just running a server edition of windows doesnt automagically mean you own a business.

<really gay eye roll>

Since partitioning software on server windows costs well over $200 when otherwise its free for the same damn thing, I decided to use Linux gparted. Works just as well, doesnt destroy data, and is free.

Even free antivirus software companies expect money if you dare to try it on any server edition of windows. Are they retarded? Im not going to pay hundreds of dollars for some stupid AV software. Shit!

I found a nice open source AV called 'Clam'.

The big professional companies can bug off.

And Im still going to run 2k3. Its simply, still, Faster.

It aint going to make me magically own a business nor make me CEO of Microsoft or Ford Motor Company.

Im just interested in the non-buggy speed it has to offer. 

[MinersLantern]

As far as what else ive read above my last reply.

If there are problems with my pc, cpu, memory, etc, etc. Why is it that windows 2003 server runs crazy fast anyway? If there were issues with the computer itself, everything would run slow always and forever.

Windows 2000 was almost as fast, but since drive C exploded, I decided to upgrade to something faster. 2k3 was even noticably faster when I ran it for fun on vmware years ago.

XP seemed around 1/2 the speed (more or less) than win2k was, even when I ran it virtually.
It got a little worse when I installed it for real. Locking up for 10 of seconds at a time, just doing simple things within windows with no other software running at all. I disabled the silly things like indexing, and every other service I found useless. Changed the settings for TCP/IP in the registry, all that made no difference.

Imo, 2003 server is just simply better and faster than XP ever has been. 

I havent even got around to messing around with the services win2k3 is running, had too many other things to do to make it work decently (bypassing people who want money to install their holy free software and such). Still it does its thing reliably and in the blink of an eye.

No lag at all. If I delete thousands of files, they are gone, instantly. XP would go huh?

Then take awhile, like win98 used to.  lol

When I open the green big disk and browse then close it, under win2k3, it closes, no other strange things happen. XP kinda freaks a little. Desktiop icons get refreshed, I guess, showing as blank generic ones. Takes a few seconds for them to update.

Win2k or 2k3, the desktop icons are there and updated instantly.

Me thinks XP is still kinda odd. 

[Hooked]

Oh what the hell....I'll keep this horse on a ventilator a bit longer.

....for the OP, I'd love to see a screenshot of your system specs from your computer.  ...I'd be willing to bet that the mobo I was offering you for free (helps with that pesky mortgage payment) is a bit quicker.  ...now I just really want a screeny....

...and a picture of your house...with you standing on the porch.  ...holding your car keys in your hand.  Your left hand.  In your right hand?  How about....holding your middle finger down with your thumb.  Can't have that waving around now can we?


 

[cuttingedge]

Where do you come up with these crazy thoughts Hooked? 

AnyWhoo, Just thought I'd put it out there, been using the same copy of XP Pro since it hit the market.... Heavly modded, trashed with errors, crashes from time to time, but I love it. 

[White Stripes]

http://www.tune-up.com/

granted many will say 'boo' to tune up utilities its always worked great for me..

[Hooked]

Where do you come up with these crazy thoughts Hooked? 

It was an off the cuff kind of thing.  ...I'm seriously not wired like most people AFA my thought processes are concerned.  Other than that, I've been informed that I'm completely and entirely human.