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Offline DaBees-Knees

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Microsoft to stop producing Windows versions
« on: May 09, 2015, 06:40:32 am »
Windows 10 is going to be the last major revision of the operating system.

Jerry Nixon, a Microsoft development executive, said in a conference speech this week that Windows 10 would be the "last version" of the dominant desktop software. His comments were echoed by Microsoft which said it would update Windows in future in an "ongoing manner". Instead of new stand-alone versions, Windows 10 would be improved in regular instalments, the firm said. Mr Nixon made his comments during Microsoft's Ignite conference held in Chicago this week.

In a statement, Microsoft said Mr Nixon's comments reflected a change in the way that it made its software. "Windows will be delivered as a service bringing new innovations and updates in an ongoing manner," it said, adding that it expected there to be a "long future" for Windows.

'No Windows 11'

The company said it had yet to decide on what to call the operating system beyond Windows 10. "There will be no Windows 11," warned Steve Kleynhans, a research vice-president at analyst firm Gartner who monitors Microsoft. He said Microsoft had in the past deliberately avoided using the name "Windows 9" and instead chose Windows 10 as a way to signify a break with a past which involved successive stand-alone versions of the operating system. However, he said, working in that way had created many problems for Microsoft and its customers.

"Every three years or so Microsoft would sit down and create 'the next great OS'," he said. Microsoft has developed the HoloLens augmented reality system for use with Windows 10  "The developers would be locked away and out would pop a product based on what the world wanted three years ago." Microsoft also had to spend a huge amount of money and marketing muscle to convince people that they needed this new version, and that it was better than anything that had come before, he explained. Moving to a situation in which Windows is a constantly updated service will break out of this cycle, and let Microsoft tinker more with the software to test new features and see how customers like them, he added.

'Positive step'

Most of the revenue generated by Windows for Microsoft came from sales of new PCs and this was unlikely to be affected by the change, Mr Kleynhans pointed out. "Overall this is a positive step, but it does have some risks," he said. "Microsoft will have to work hard to keep generating updates and new features, he said, adding that questions still remained about how corporate customers would adapt to the change and how Microsoft would provide support.

"It doesn't mean that Windows is frozen and will never move forward again," Mr Kleynhans told the BBC. "Indeed we are about to see the opposite, with the speed of Windows updates shifting into high gear."

Offline Trestor

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Re: Microsoft to stop producing Windows versions
« Reply #1 on: May 09, 2015, 09:21:19 am »
Well, I never expected this. It explains why they bypassed using the Windows 9 label. It also explains why they are trying to force people onto Windows 10 via sneaky updates.

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Re: Microsoft to stop producing Windows versions
« Reply #2 on: May 09, 2015, 11:08:06 am »
its funny that they say windows 10 devices will be supported for the lifetime of the machine but wont that eventually lead to a 'my pc is horribly slow due to OS bloat' point? or are they just wanting to follow macintosh with version numbering? .... 

Microsoft has developed the HoloLens augmented reality system for use with Windows 10 ...

small rant here but that thing is going to be cute for about the first 2 hours of playing minecraft with your couch and looking at 3d craters on mars ... then its going to gather a a lot fo dust sitting on a shelf somewhere by the virtual boy and the glasses to your 3d tv...

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Re: Microsoft to stop producing Windows versions
« Reply #3 on: May 10, 2015, 01:59:18 am »
I think their intention is to just release 10.1 10.2 10.3 and so on.

They know consumers don't upgrade anything anymore if it costs money. Windows 7 was good enough for many people they never felt like they needed a new OS. A lot of people still feel that way about Windows XP I believe its market share is still 30%?

As I'm sure everyone here is aware Windows 10 will be a free update for people who own Windows 7 or Windows 8/8.1 licenses. Apple has made their updates free for the past 2 versions I think and the two before that were like $9.99 down form the previous $89 price that they used to charge.

And of course we have Linux where I can't think of a single desktop targeting distribution that charges users money to use it. The world has changed significantly over the past 10 years and Microsoft knows it's a much better idea to charge a minimal fee for the operating system and then make their margins on other things.

Services like Office 365, the Windows Store where they take a 30% cut of all sold software and so on.

Personally I like the idea of major new operating system releases. Especially when they arrive on predetermined schedules. We've all experienced the annoying update of death I'm sure where you've installed a software update only for it to majorly mess things up, now imagine getting an entire operating system refresh that way that changes thousands of system level libraries that your software depends on.

I think it's a bad idea but I'm expecting them to do it as I said at the start of this post, issuing 10.1 in 2016, 10.2 in 2017 and so on with things largely staying the same. It's very much the Apple model as with their operating system it was possible to upgrade from 10.6 all the way to 10.10 (current release) through their version of Windows Update/Windows Store which has been combined in to one application on OS X.

Personally just talking about Windows 10 itself, I've been using the technical previews and it's not bad. It's an improvement over Windows 8 but I still don't feel it eclipses Windows 7. I still find myself longing for the GUI that Windows 7 had with the performance that Windows 8 has. Windows 10 takes what we hated about Windows 8, the Metro start screen, and melds it even further in to the desktop experience and personally I don't like it.

The UI from the Metro apps which by the way I should call them Modern apps as they had to rename them from Metro due to a trademark dispute, just feel very large, encompassing, lumbering. They waste so much space on the screen because they are designed for fingers, I don't own a touch screen on my desktop computer nor am I ever likely to acquire one but these applications don't scale small enough to look correct on a display where you're using a precision finite pointing device; the mouse.

I feel like with Windows 10, which by the way absolutely screams on newer hardware especially SSD's and multi-core systems, takes one step forward but then two steps back.

I can give a great example of this, the control panel. In there you find things like your display settings, background selector, windows update etc in Windows 10 these things have all been stuffed in to a "Modern" UI application called Settings and it just looks bad. Each of these features use very little of the available window space, they give very little information when you use them (Windows update especially is just a barren giant white box) and the UI elements and text sizes are giant. It just looks bad.

I'm hoping Windows 10 will turn in to a release I want to use but honestly it just pushes me more and more towards Linux and Mac OS X which both feel more refined when it comes to the user interface and no matter how fast Windows feels on my hardware if the UI is pissing me off I'm not going to accept it or use it.

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