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MS Vista News
« on: February 27, 2006, 01:32:33 pm »
This is for those of you who may have missed any news on the latest style of  Microsofts O/S platform, whats new we all ask ?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/4754462.stm

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Vista, which was known as Longhorn during its long development, is a major re-working of Windows that makes changes, among other things, to the way the operating system looks and how it handles networking and sound.
Microsoft said the six versions were designed to match the demands different users have for its software. No details have been given about the pricing of the separate versions.

The six versions are:

Vista Business
Vista Enterprise
Vista Home Basic
Vista Home Premium
Vista Ultimate
Vista Starter

Vista Business will be the basic version for companies of all sizes and includes tools that will help organisations manage their PCs.

The Enterprise version of Vista will have all of the features in the basic version and add to them improved encryption including a BitLocker system that will stop confidential data being viewed if a computer is lost or stolen.

The Home Basic version is intended for those who only want to use their PC to browse the net, use e-mail and create and edit basic documents. It will also include desktop search and security tools.

Vista Home Premium includes everything in the Basic version and adds the new graphical interface called Aero.
Microsoft said it will also have improved media handling abilities so it can help users organise and enjoy their digital images, music and movie collections. Also included will be tools to help people author and burn DVDs.

PCs running the Premium edition will also be able to connect their machine to an Xbox 360 gaming console.

Vista Ultimate has all the features of the business and home editions in one package.

The Starter edition is a streamlined version intended for low powered PCs found in many developing nations.

Also available will be versions made specifically for Europe that, in accordance with an EU mandate, remove the Windows media player.


As usual I wonder how much of the system is reworked code and new names for familiar items.

For those that are not aware of it this operating system in knobbled by DRM technologies and will do the cartels bidding over yours, so unless your confident in your hacking skills perhaps its time to hold onto a functioning XP installl for the forseeable future, I see no benefit in downgrading to an "Aero" themed version of XP.

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Re: MS Vista News
« Reply #1 on: March 01, 2006, 01:25:02 am »
Can M$ get any greedier 6 versions of  Vista.. :shock:
Why don't they just release two versions a home version & a professional version for businesses, instead of 6 versions?

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Re: MS Vista News
« Reply #2 on: March 01, 2006, 05:43:19 am »
So that Microsoft can charge users for the features they use, as opposed to charging basic users for power user features. It's not THAT evil, jeeze.

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Re: MS Vista News
« Reply #3 on: March 01, 2006, 07:45:45 am »
So they can charge you all over again the instant you want some feature from the next one up.. & for entire OS rather than the feature itself more likely.... greedy Micro$oft ba$****$
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Re: MS Vista News
« Reply #4 on: March 01, 2006, 11:39:28 pm »
Oh bullshit, they'll give you a discount on upgrading so that you don't pay twice for the same features, and you know that. Stop trying to scare people away from teh OS before it's even out.

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Re: MS Vista News
« Reply #5 on: March 02, 2006, 04:39:26 pm »
Really? or do they charge you EXACTLY the same for the fiddling few extras in XP Pro when you have XP Home, as they would if you were upgrading from Win 98 ? greedy $*d$...
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Re: MS Vista News
« Reply #6 on: March 03, 2006, 09:17:54 am »
I have read this forum post over and over again so that i understand everything everyone is saying and i would like to give my views.
I have been talking to some friends and we have all agreed that if Microsoft Vista is going to be DRM filled then nobody will use it.

Personally i will not be buying this version from Microsoft as i think that Windows XP was a lame excuse for an operating system.

Let the people who would like to buy Microsoft Vista decide for themselfs and Ghostship i know you are trying to help but sometime all you can do is warn people and then let them find out for themselves

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Re: MS Vista News
« Reply #7 on: March 04, 2006, 01:59:09 am »
The good thing about a forum is even if someones view is twisted or just plain wrong we all get our say.

Whilst I myself am going to be sitting firm on this one, I must mention I still have a working copy of Win98 2nd ed installed on a partition and its not let me down once.

If it aint broke I,m not downgrading its functionality to suit the Microsoft gravy train, what the rest of you all do, is up to you  :)

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Re: MS Vista News
« Reply #8 on: March 07, 2006, 08:54:09 am »
More news folks.

http://news.com.com/Microsoft+Vista+wont+get+a+backdoor/2100-1016_3-6046016.html?tag=nefd.top

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Windows Vista won't have a backdoor that could be used by police forces to get into encrypted files, Microsoft has stressed.

In February, a BBC News story suggested that the British government was in discussions with Microsoft over backdoor access to the operating system. A backdoor is a method of bypassing normal authentication to gain access to a computer without to the PC user knowing.

But Microsoft has now quelled the suggestion that law enforcement might get such access.
"Microsoft has not and will not put 'backdoors' into Windows," a company representative said in a statement sent via e-mail.

The discussion centers on BitLocker Drive Encryption, a planned security feature for Vista, the update to the Windows operating system. BitLocker encrypts data to protect it if the computer is lost or stolen.

This feature could make it harder for law enforcement agencies to get access to data on seized computers.
"The suggestion is that we are working with governments to create a back door so that they can always access BitLocker-encrypted data," Niels Ferguson, a developer and cryptographer at Microsoft, wrote Thursday on a corporate blog. "Over my dead body," he wrote in his post titled "Back-door nonsense."


While I believe this guy is sincere its plain madness to think that the goverments of the world wont be looking at making inroads into security technology for their own benefit.

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Re: MS Vista News
« Reply #9 on: March 07, 2006, 11:00:58 pm »
More Vista news  :)

http://news.com.com/Microsoft+to+make+Vista+easily+upgradeable/2100-1016_3-6046512.html?tag=nefd.top

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Microsoft is planning to make it very easy for Windows Vista owners to upgrade to a pricier version of the operating system.

In the past, such upgrades would have required users to go to a store to get a physical disc to update their machine. With Vista, which is due to go on sale later this year, Microsoft is adding a second option. Dubbed Windows Anytime Upgrade, the new mechanism will let customers buy the update online. New PCs that come with Vista will come with a Windows Automatic Upgrade DVD, which can be used with a later update that is purchased online.

"If you want more features in Windows Vista, you can upgrade to another version," Microsoft said in help notes that accompany the most recent test version of Windows. "You can either buy a separate upgrade disc at a retail store or use Windows Anytime Upgrade to buy the upgrade online, and then use your Windows Anytime Upgrade disc or the Windows installation disc to complete the process."

According to information in the Vista test version, the upgrade feature will allow Windows Vista Home Basic users to go to Windows Home Premium or Windows Vista Ultimate edition, while Vista Business users will be able to move only to the Ultimate edition. Microsoft's other business version--Windows Vista Enterprise--is available only for volume licensing customers.


This sounds like the usual lame excuse to require access to your machine 24/7, whilst removing the service packs and updates except online is a crafty move to hit back at pirate copies and trust me there will always be copies around however hard Microsoft try to lock them down.

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« Reply #10 on: March 08, 2006, 05:30:03 am »
This is great, this is really fantastic. Microsoft says that there will be six versions of Windows, and you guys say it's a money-making scheme by Microsoft to make consumers pay twice for the same features. I say that Microsoft will offer discount upgrade pricing, and you scoff and say not likely. Then Microsoft does plan on offering disccount upgrade pricing, and you call it a scheme to stop piracy--which is somehow bad despite the fact that the forum is supposedly against the concept of intrusive TDRM ather than for pirating software.

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This sounds like the usual lame excuse to require access to your machine 24/7,

I've read that over and over like five times and I still dont' understand what you're getting at there. Are you suggesting that Microsoft will need a direct connection open to the Microsoft store open at all times just in case the user wants to buy an uugrade? Because that's ludicrous, and will never happen... if you meant something else there, could you clarify it for me please?

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whilst removing the service packs and updates except online

They haven't said that they will stop offering service packs on CD and I seriously doubt they will as that'd be a pointless move that would alienate customers... as for offering updates on CD, it doesn't make any sense to pop out a 700-MB CDR for, at most, 2MB of data, especially considering most of the updates are to protect the system from exploits you can only get if you're on the internet, in the first place.

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and I is a crafty move to hit back at pirate copies and trust me there will always be copies around however hard Microsoft try to lock them down.

Yes, because Microsoft has absolutely no right to try and make sure that peopel can't take all their hard work in creating an OS for nothing. I don't understand what the genuine windows validation program dpes so wrong; I went and did it, it only took one minute, absolutely no hastle whatsoever. When you read about thigns like the Sony rootkit debacle that is DRM going stupidly far and is worth yelling about, product adtivations and keys are fine as far as I'm concerned.


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Re: MS Vista News
« Reply #11 on: March 17, 2006, 07:24:46 pm »
Lysander I,m sure you notice what goes on as well as myself and its a plain fact that windows has ports open 24/7 to listen for big brother MS announcements of software updates etc , I,m making it plain I dont like DRM and the selfishness I see behind it, gathering excessive profit is not the answer to everything.

Heres another way of smashing competition.

http://news.com.com/Spyware-killing+Vista+could+take+out+rivals/2100-1029_3-6050733.html?tag=st.txt.caro

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Microsoft is taking a three-pronged approach with Windows Vista to reduce the threat of spyware.
By default, Windows Vista will run with fewer user privileges. The privileges control how a user can interact with the software. Most Windows XP users have "administrator" privileges, which could be abused by malicious software to install itself on a computer.

In Windows Vista, users will have to invoke administrator rights to perform certain tasks, such as installing software.
IE 7 will run in "protected mode." This mode will prevent silent installs of malicious software by stopping the Web browser from writing data anywhere on the PC except in a temporary files folder without first seeking permission.

Microsoft's anti-spyware tool will block and clean up any infections that do make it through. The tool scans for spyware, adware, rootkits and other malicious code, but does not include antivirus technology.
"We have taken out a significant number of the attack vectors that spyware authors use today," said Austin Wilson, a director in the Windows Client group at Microsoft. "We're not saying that spyware will be gone because of Windows Vista. We do think we will make a significant impact."

Also, Internet Explorer 7, included with Vista, will prevent silent installs of malicious code by stopping the browser from writing data anywhere except in a temporary files folder without first seeking permission. Lastly, Windows Defender will clean up any infections that do make it through.
"It is three layers of protection," Wilson said.

While this may be good news for buyers of Vista, it is not for anyone who makes a living from selling anti-spyware software

Hmm I,m sure microsoft could have subcontracted some of this work out to the best companies in the field but hey they got so much cash if bill decided to burn his personal fortune it would take weeks before the bonfire was even near going out

Microsoft and the RIAA/MPAA folks have a lot in common it seems, they both know whats good for us and want to make as much cash as possible while telling you to take it or leave it.

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Re: MS Vista News
« Reply #12 on: March 18, 2006, 01:52:52 am »
In a way, they did; Microsoft bought out Giant, and has since been working extensively on the software. It's great that this forum seems to be the only forum on teh internet (aside from hacking ones, ntach) complaining because Vista is more secure. You konw who's noticeably silent on the subject? Sunbelt and Ad Aware and Webroute. They don't care that Vista is more secure, even though you're claiming it's all about stifling compeitition. If it was such a big deal to them, you'd think that they'd be screaming the loudest. But, I head on over to sunbeltblog... nope, nothing. Not a word. Funny, that.

If you're talking about Windows Update in regards to "leaving ports open 24/7", name me a single exploit that's resulted from how automatic updates work on XP. Yeah, XP 9and all previosu versions of windows) left ports open by default, and that was a huge security risk. That was early on, when peopel didn't really have an understanding of the dangers in security. Since about mid 2003 or so, Microsoft has really done a huge turnaround, and I think more people need to give them credit for that.

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Re: MS Vista News
« Reply #13 on: March 18, 2006, 02:47:47 am »
Llysander  I,m pleased to say I make my own mind up and care not one jot whether any other site or forum agress with me.

If you wish to buy into a DRM ridden peice of crap go right ahead, I will be sitting and laughing everytime a new exploit comes out and come out they will.
A new operating system is a juicy target for anyone to make a name for themselves on, and frankly I have not an ounce of sympathy for greedy gates.

Encouraging others to hand over their rights to Microsoft because you feel they know better tells me a lot about yourself and your views on digital rights or rather your wish to rid us of them, leaving a few rich gluttons to decide whats good for the rest of society.

When they hand out windows 95 to third world nations for free to use I will clap with the rest of the world, but to do nothing and then whine about piracy in third world nations is something that beggars belief, selfish utter greed is something I call morally wrong.

For those blind to the danger: Intel have made motherboards that will operate with the DRM in Vista to deny you access to media or any othr file  on your own machine and make it impossible to bypass, the media companies like this idea as you can at their whim be forced to pay again and again for access to something you have already paid for.

Of course those with fortunes to waste should go right ahead and do as they are told, after all a sucker and his money are easily parted.

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Re: MS Vista News
« Reply #14 on: March 18, 2006, 03:55:12 am »
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Llysander  I,m pleased to say I make my own mind up and care not one jot whether any other site or forum agress with me.
Okay, you go ahead and do that, but don't cry that no one's listening to you when you go on how Sunbelt's losing money and meanwhile you don't hear Sunbelt complaining about losing money anywhere.

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If you wish to buy into a DRM ridden peice of crap go right ahead, I will be sitting and laughing everytime a new exploit comes out and come out they will.
True. Which makes your stance that Microsoft is stifling competition in the security field even more laughable. Third party vendors will always have their place, no matter what hapens. I still can't eet enough of this thread, this has seriously got to be the only website on teh internet that is criticizing Microsoft for having better security practices and claiming they're in the moral wrong for making a better product. "Argh! How dare you not suck! You're supposed to be cludge-like and inneffective so that third parties can make money off your mistakes! What's wrong with you, Microsoft? Don't oyu know that making a more secure OS will mean that Symantec will be out of a job? You should keep programming crap, insecure environments for the next fifteen years so that McAfee can make more money off your ineptitude and meanwhile blllloggggg writers all over the intarnetz can make fun of you for not being able to program! For God's sake, what about the starving children of  these poor spyware vendors!" Yeah, I said spyware vendors there. Crying because ssyware programs can't make money off of Microsoft's bad design and crying that anti-spyware programs can't make money off of Microsoft's bad design is functionally the exact same argument.

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Encouraging others to hand over their rights to Microsoft because you feel they know better tells me a lot about yourself and your views on digital rights or rather your wish to rid us of them, leaving a few rich gluttons to decide whats good for the rest of society.
I'm still unsure as to what rights I give up by taking thirty seconds out of my day to prove to Microsoft that I didn't steal their several hundred dollar program that they spent four years making. My right to free software, perhaps?

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For those blind to the danger: Intel have made motherboards that will operate with the DRM in Vista to deny you access to media or any othr file  on your own machine and make it impossible to bypass, the media companies like this idea as you can at their whim be forced to pay again and again for access to something you have already paid for.
Yeah, because Microsoft really stands a lot to gain by making its users furious at them for restrictive DRM controls that a third party can manipulate without giving Microsoft anything in return. Oh, wait, that's right--they don't.

This looks a lot like the HD-DVD furer involving the ability to downgrade component video jacks because they're not digital jacks. Then Sony turns around and says "By the way, we're not going to use that, ever". Kind of difficult to complain about a feature no one's using. While I agree the pressident is very frightening indeed, it's not actually being used for evil. Yet.

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Re: MS Vista News
« Reply #15 on: March 18, 2006, 04:49:37 am »
I must say I enjoy the gentle spar of words with you but..

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Okay, you go ahead and do that, but don't cry that no one's listening to you when you go on how Sunbelt's losing money and meanwhile you don't hear Sunbelt complaining about losing money anywhere.

Please point out where I did any such thing ?

Perhaps you have not been reading my replies, just your own.

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Re: MS Vista News
« Reply #16 on: March 22, 2006, 06:24:21 am »
It looks like the BS engine is starting up with regards to Vista and its "new" features.

http://news.com.com/An+inside+look+at+Windows+Vista/2100-1043_3-6051736.html?tag=nefd.lede

Now set to ship in January 2007, Windows Vista will be Microsoft's first major operating system release since it introduced Windows XP in 2001.
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The new OS is designed to offer a shiny new user interface, better security, improved data organization and near-instantaneous search. It will be a major gaming platform release because it includes DirectX 10, an upgraded and rebuilt collection of application programming interfaces (APIs) that, according to Microsoft, will offer six to eight times the graphics performance of DirectX 9.0. We're opening our series of Windows Vista features with a look at the most striking feature of Vista, the 3D desktop and the new Aero interface

Windows Vista doesn't have official minimum system requirements yet, but Microsoft has recommended at least 512MB of memory, a "modern" Intel or AMD processor and a DirectX 9.0 graphics card for the current Windows Vista Beta 1. You'll need to have the right hardware to get the full Windows Vista experience. Yes, your system can run Vista if you don't have a DirectX 9.0 card, but you won't be able to enjoy the full Aero desktop effect because the system will default back to 2D mode.

You can't have just any DX9-compatible card either. According to Andrew Dodd, product manager for ATI's software group, the quality of the graphics card can impact the performance of the Aero desktop because it's now just like any other 3D application.

So what have we got so far, a fancy interface ( aero )that they could easily bolt onto XP and with it the requirement to spend more cash on a new video card and a new monitor if you want to get high resolution dvd playback now the DRM gang has gotten their way.

Let me total that up about a $1000 + of expense for a new desktop look ... hmm this is a hard one... NOT :wink:

I expect we shall see the usualy flurry of lemmings purchase early and pay the price, but as I said before a sucker and their cash are easily parted..


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Re: MS Vista News
« Reply #17 on: March 27, 2006, 12:30:38 am »
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Please point out where I did any such thing ?

You said at the top of the post where you linked the article about Vista's improved security practices "here's another way of smashing competition." Hense you seem to be complaining that Microsoft is monopolizing the OS security market in an unfair way by making a more secure OS... which is about the most delightfully absurd argument I've read in a long time, so thank you for the laughter.

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So what have we got so far, a fancy interface ( aero )that they could easily bolt onto XP

Actually, givven those system requirements for the beta, it looks like they *can't* bolt Arrow onto XP "easily" (E.G: the DX 9.0 video card requirement and whatever other strangeness coems with that).

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and with it the requirement to spend more cash on a new video card and a new monitor if you want to get high resolution dvd playback

That's not Vista's fault. If you want to blame anyone, blame Intel for that HDCP crap that's forcing vendors to either play ball or get totally excluded from the market. As far as that goes, Vista's just another link in the chain.

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Let me total that up about a $1000 + of expense for a new desktop look ... hmm this is a hard one... NOT

How is this any different from the XP launch? When it first came out people had to upgrade their system too. And back then you paid even more for a desktop than you do now. Sure, those components cost 1000 dollars *now*, but Vista isn't even coming *out* for another 9 months, by then those same components will drop considerably in price.

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Re: MS Vista News
« Reply #18 on: March 30, 2006, 07:11:39 am »
Lysander, I,m glad you cleared up the mystery of what I did and did not post, please in future stick to what I posted rather than your interpretation.



 

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Re: MS Vista News
« Reply #19 on: May 23, 2006, 01:05:41 am »
More info from Microsoft regarding the vista launch and other vista matters.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/4996998.stm

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Microsoft has said that Vista will go on widespread release in January 2007.
It has given advice on the basic specifications to run the software as well as the higher capabilities needed to get the most out of it.
Also available is a downloadable tool that lets people know if the PC they own now will run the system

There is no information yet about the abilities of Intel-based Apple Mac computers and whether they will be able to run Vista.


I had a look for the tool but as usual Its either lost in space or not well named on the MS site.

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