New Dirty Tricks Campaign ?

[KM]

well, i was going to censor you, but i can't think of anything to edit your post in to that would look worse for you than your last 2 posts

i note the lack of a reply to my edit - perhaps you have still not noticed it?

[~¤£ôv뮤Gï®|¤~]

for god's sake Ghost, the commet you were referring to was directed to KM..not you...don't presume i was only talking to you...makes you look stupid

BTW..there was no lie, it was fact that needed explained..i thought you were bright enough to see that..apparently i was incorrect again..

and yes..Km..you could have censored me..but ty for not, yes my post made me look dumb and yes i did admit to human error on my part...

and now that i won't be back for a bit longer..go on and flame more Ghost  

and KM, no..i saw the edit, what are you wanting?  acknowledgement that i edited my post to say good screen shots?  i didn't realize that was a necessity...  you want me to say it had nothing to do with your program?  i can't say that, and i told you why, i don't use ZA..i have nothing to back it, i just know i chose to not use your program

NEXT FLAME PLZ

[KM]

I think vladd has about summed up the purpose for his post so there is no longer a need to discuss it...

KM and company are pieces of shit

his website is clearly not a help website it is merely a "i don't like KM" website, we have been aware of this for a while however he has denied it until now, perhaps he is finally willing to admit the truth and stop trying to trick users in to thinking it is a help site?

[~¤£ôv뮤Gï®|¤~]

umm..KM try quoting the whole post, not just what you want the users to believe

this was the post you're referring to KM :

heh

Don't know why you bothered LG.

The entire intent was to stir shit.

I never said it was or wasn't accurate, I just commented on what I do know, that KM and company are pieces of shit that I wouldn't trust to wipe my ass, much less on my computer.

As far as the original poster, I don't know, nor do I really care what was going on with WCS, anyone who uses it needs a swift kick in the ass anyway.

And I would love to know the 6 people banned, I only got rid of three shit stirrers. However I will not bother addressing their lies in the thread, I lost count after a while.

So fuck them and those who are foolish enough to trust them.

[KM]

are you attempting to imply that it is somehow read differently if the entire post is quoted? the post speaks for itself, i was merely quoting the most relevant part

or do you read that post as something other than a confession that the sole reason for his comment was simply because he doesn't like me and was in no way intended to help the user?

[Me Here]

Actually KM I have to agree with Lovergirl on this one..

Seeing the post in its entirety adds credence KM's above post. 

Vladd wasn't attempting to help or answer any questions he was only taking the opportunity to show that his concerns are with bashing you, not helping a user understand a legit issue..

[bughunter]

why do you bother playing with the mentally chanllanged........who cares what vladd or any pie member has to say or think,they are of no importance.........if the problems that currently face winmx are to be resolved the solution will come from winmxworld, and not pie....afterall all the solutions that have been implemented so far have come from winmxworld,and sadly we have had to drag the pie side kicking and screaming along with us...........for those of us that are informed within the winmx community know full well that neither vladd nor of any of the pie team have no creditabilty left, so why waste valuable time engaging  in a verbal battle with those that have nothing to offer........... 

[GhostShip]

Bug I have to disagree with you here, many of the pie folks Joined the pie team so they could help and many still do, unfortunately the leadership has been monopolised by someone who no longer even uses WinMx.

We here hope that the rest of the pie team do not agree with vladds personal comments and as Lover Girl points out can think for themselves about becoming involved in a hostile personal matter.

Vladd I forgive your lack of manners and respect for winmx users, we will however not allow you to further destroy winmx by encouraging its flooding, attacking those who do use and support winmx and making a tidy profit into the bargain.

I advise the pie team to select a new head who is willing to discuss matters in a more professional manner without acting like a yob in public, the team and vladd are better served by a seperation in this case.

[tatertot]

maybe i shoulda came here for an explination instead of vladds (being this is KM's stomping ground). i dont use port 25 for udp, however thats still probly the reason it intercepted the email (sending from the port i DO use). i am comfortble with the information received from this thread and realise i was just being paranoid (like my hardware wall is appearently) so the issue no longer concerns me. if i caused grief to either parties, i apologize, as mentioned on vladds they assume i was there to stir shit. i only went there for help nothing more. i have nothing to gain from lie'n to anyone (or by stir'n shit for that matter) again.. sorry i bothered

[KM]

don't worry, the problem was not with your post (you aren't the only person to have asked about that, hence me already having a pretty good guess as to what it actually was) the problem we have was with vladds response to it, and indeed again with his later reply especially.

I think banning us from his forum was a pretty good indicator that he was not interested in any form of cooperation, however that thread has just confirmed it. Knobby will be pleased... lol

[GhostShip]

Hi Taterlot, yes I was very concerned over what was said, normally the site host or a moderator would ask you to clarify the matter or at least give some details on what occured and how to replicate it so others could check the matter out, thats fair I think you,ll agree.

In this case someone who is well known in the community decided to not bother doing any of the above as it suits his continuing policy of attacking this site and KM in paricular, anything that was said after your post is not a matter you should concern yourself with.

I thank you for coming here and making your post above that will help to clear the matter up to your own and our satisfaction.

Thank you for bothering  





  

[..Ñøßߥ..]

I think banning us from his forum was a pretty good indicator that he was not interested in any form of cooperation, however that thread has just confirmed it. Knobby will be pleased... lol

lol - ive kinda given up, cooperation seems to be a dirty word.

and lol @ at this whole thread.......

If the user who posted the original question, was so concerned with kms past, why would the user decide on WCS as his chosen server in the first place?

This whole thread and that on vladds is a total waste of time.......

[bughunter]

anything to do with pie is a waste of time.......yes nobby i agree with you there,bout time ya woke up...........and i guess time will tell quicks....................

[GhostShip]

The thread has served to highlight a fact put forward many months ago as to why there is always fighting between the two sites, one is run by winmx users and one is not.

I strongly urge all remaining pie team members to consider what and who they are supporting as working against the rest of the winmx community is giving out the wrong message to our common enemies

We  are fully commited to doing the right thing for the entire winmx community, lets see others give this same pledge.

[..Ñøßߥ..]

anything to do with pie is a waste of time.......yes nobby i agree with you there,bout time ya woke up...........and i guess time will tell quicks....................

lol its the same old story, things begin to get a little hostile and just when common sense looks like it might happen, shock horror, surprise surprise, Icedragon aka Bughunter appears and adds his usual inflamatory remarks to proceedings, as usual he forces words into folks mouths and generally stirs up as much mud as possible, i wonder where this "caring" winmx loving user is at all other times? hmmm who knows, perhaps he is just too important to post in normal everyday threads and prefers to save himself for the big all singing all dancing flame threads, wb Ice, its been a while since you had the chance to stir things up, you must have missed it?

Having been drawn into more than my fair share of dumb exchanges in the past, often cause tards like Ice have infuriated me into doing so, i shall simply laugh at the loser from now on in, as i see him for what he is.

I have tried many times to find some common ground for folks to work on, examples of this can be noted recently too, the trouble is, try as i might, there is no ground either side see as "common" although Vladd is very public with his contempt for certain users, others hold just as much bad blood and are and have demonstrated this publically in the past. 

In fact so far away are we from common ground i am unable to even get together an agreed basic usage figure for Winmx, Sabre and KM's estimates differ by a country mile and both seem more interested in slating the other methods, what a waste of time.

We  are fully commited to doing the right thing for the entire winmx community, lets see others give this same pledge.

Although im sure your intentions are good Ghost, we both know "We" doesnt not mean everyone over here, i know KM will not stand by the pledge you make Ghost, he has made it very clear recently, he will continue to upgrade his .dll connection method and he will continue his efforts to "destroy pie", that as we both know will cause yet another heated exchange, bad publicity and will result in a reduced userbase for Winmx, i dont think that is in the interest of "the entire winmx community" you can call Pie whatever you like, it wont change the fact, Pie are highly successful at reconnecting users enmasse.

<insert standard inflamitory Icetard remark here>

[KM]

he has made it very clear recently, he will continue to upgrade his .dll connection method and he will continue his efforts to "destroy pie", that as we both know will cause yet another heated exchange, bad publicity and will result in a reduced userbase for Winmx, i dont think that is in the interest of "the entire winmx community" you can call Pie whatever you like, it wont change the fact, Pie are highly successful at reconnecting users enmasse.

so you are now attempting to state that no updates should be made to the winmxgroup patch? the preferred connection method for a large section of the userbase (even if you ignore exact figured, everyone agrees on the fact it is a large section of the userbase - enough so that the non-winmxgroup users are completely dependent on winmxgroup primaries because of the blocking)

* KM starts writing an update for the patch just to make knobby unhappy... well, not really, but I'm sure he would claim that

[..Ñøßߥ..]

You know exactly what im talking about, you are one of the few who does actually have the power to create some unification, but your hell bent on destroying Pie, one of the entities for its faults that still connects more users on a daily basis than it will ever get credit for.

I would never wish you to stop updating your .dll, what i would, and have urged you to do, it not create further divison when a slight change to your plan could see benefit for ALL winmx users no matter choice of connection method, and improved security and stability for the wpn. I was kidding myself to think that your agenda was anything other than anti Pie, and thats a shame, perhaps youve been hanging out with Ice too long.

Still, i dont know why im wasting my breath, as sure as the sun will shine, KM & Sabre will go their own merry way regardless, as i suspect their opposition and distaste for each other is the  motivation for their actions.

[Bearded Blunder]

Of course KM will continue updating, it's not a big secret there's an issue with IE7 in need of addressing, anyone who reads this forum knows it, I'm also sure his intention is to stop our common enemy flooding the network, something his dll addresses directly, unfortunately a great deal of users connected unprotected using Pie, while people fought for no reason I can see apart from being obstructive, and a great deal of preventable damage was done both to the network, & to people's credibility....

At one time I'd have cursed KM with the best of them... however unprotected primaries continue to do more damage to WinMX than KM ever did...

[GhostShip]

Nobby, your post is a model of decency and I read it knowing that your hands are tied on many issues, at least it seems you are aware that our primary goal on this site is not the demise of pie but merely a reappraisal of its services and advice.

I have posted before that it has done stirling work in getting folks reconnected, I have not laboured the point of having to redo the job twice because folks where not advised about the flooding isssue, we need to draw a line in the sand and move on from that to dealing with this issue and in a public way that will gain publicity and credibility for the network.

For those who work behind the scenes I have nothing but praise, each site has a mass of folks who receive no recognition and carry on vital work because it is within their power to do so, we should all remember that a cart without wheels is not a worthy vehicle and act accordingly in ensuring its operation is smooth and continued.

PS : When I speak as "we here" I speak for the winmxworld site, winmxgroup is well able to state its own case and does so here rather well in the shape of its operator KM.