Author Topic: More of Vladd's "Free Speech" (Read 16121 times)

bughunter · « **Reply #80 on:** June 21, 2006, 10:22:03 am »

only a pie maggot could confuse open source ..........with somebody manually installing...........just for humour please explain how giving someone the choice to manually install makes it open source..................as is required under the GNU GPL...........
this should be a good bullshit story.........to add to the general bullshit pie have engaged in since the crash.............
http://www.gnu.org/copyleft/gpl.html you should really read that nobby then you wouldnt post more crap as usuall.......and especially this section
When we speak of free software, we are referring to freedom, not price. Our General Public Licenses are designed to make sure that you have the freedom to distribute copies of free software (and charge for this service if you wish), that you receive source code or can get it if you want it, that you can change the software or use pieces of it in new free programs; and that you know you can do these things.
please show any where you have provided the source code..........as is required for open source.............
THIS MEANS DUMB ASS NOBBY NOT JUST THE FEW LINES YOU LOOSERS HAVE MADE IN NOTE PAD BUT THE ENTIRE SOURCE CODE INCLUDING INSTALLERS................
and nobby you still have failed to answer neutrons question,,,,,,,,,,
May I ask why the installer is 202KB, when the text lines are just a few bytes
please explain nobby........but of course you have no fucking idea do you nobby................
why do we put up with these loosers continually posting crap..........oh thats right unlike the maggot forum where everything is deleted,posts are made up by forum admins, and even posts by totally independent devolpers like robinhood the devolper of sherwood are deleted.........why...........cause pie dont want anyone to know the truth..........there fix is a dead loss and only the dll as verified by robinhood is the ONLY solution...........

winmx first..............

dead loss pie maggots like nobby last....................

Bearded Blunder · « **Reply #81 on:** June 21, 2006, 11:26:07 am »

Sadly, this post didn't last long, again, it's a sad day when respected members of our community are treated this way...

They seem convinced that if they delete the truth often & fast enough nobody will see, sorry to disappoint you Love, you wern't quick enough

..Ñøßß¥.. · « **Reply #82 on:** June 21, 2006, 12:03:29 pm »

Quote from: bughunter on June 21, 2006, 10:22:03 am

only a pie maggot could confuse open source ..........with somebody manually installing

lol you idiot, its because you CAN manually adjust the host file that open source for the installer is a non issue, if you dont trust the installer you dont NEED to use it, you have the choice, thats the whole point u tard, please try to keep up.

Quote from: chuck on June 21, 2006, 10:05:03 am

You have said that Pie and PeerGuardian can not block files as well as the DILL. And you were a pie team member at one time!

Agreed, at this point, why do u think im no longer in Pie?

chuck · « **Reply #83 on:** June 21, 2006, 12:15:30 pm »

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^6

THAT SAYS IT ALL FOLKS !!!!!

TheMacDaddy · « **Reply #84 on:** June 21, 2006, 12:34:29 pm »

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^6

THAT SAYS IT ALL FOLKS !!!!!

This dont mean we need to go around crowing just because Nobby thinks this
He to is a man with his own views he may not feel pie is good for winmx as of right now and has made his stand to this point

So instead of crowing that this is some kind of victory lets give someone credit where credit is due for making a stand against a team which holds a lot of his good friends

I applaude you Nobby for making a stand for the network

..Ñøßß¥.. · « **Reply #85 on:** June 21, 2006, 12:43:03 pm »

Ty Mac

Chuck, its no victory, its nothing new, i have always said within Pie that i feel blocking is important, Pie team dont currently offer anything other than standard and only partially effective blocking, its not well supported either, i dont agree with this, and felt it was the right time to go pursue other avenues of approach, that said, i still see the hosts file as a perfectly viable method of connection, granted it doesnt offer some of the bells and whistles kms patch does, but providing suitable blocking is in place it does the job just fine.

And i still feel that km (or anyone 1 person) monopolising the Wpn would be a very very bad situation.......

chuck · « **Reply #86 on:** June 21, 2006, 12:50:50 pm »

Agreed Knobby has been verry out spoken in the past for PIe and for him to see that pie is not the answer as it is, is a big start and shows there is hope that others as out-spoken about pie will see as he does now.

The only win that will be acceptable is a Winmx free of fake files and stable. I dont think anyone here would be against another option as long as it met those points.

I in no way am ragging on Nobby or saying that just because he see's now that pie can not protect its users that this is a win.

The only win will come when all the fighting among the Patch creators end and all the users are protected from fake files and down time.

GhostShip · « **Reply #87 on:** June 21, 2006, 01:01:56 pm »

A previously stated we are happy to see new and viable solutions to this issue.

What has been a cause of concern for the whole period is the "do nothing" attitude.
While KM and others where doing as they promised and finding brilliant solutions to the problems the network faced most in the pie team did nothing .

Lets see some movement on a common concensus of blocking placed as something we can unite around, failure to implement a strategy of this type will just draw out pies demise from winmx.

During the past week I have spoken to over a thousand people obtaining the new patch, not one is upset by who made it, most are more than happy to have a fully working and improved winmx solution.

If others wish to step forward with solutions that offer realistic network protection we are more than happy to see them flourish also.

Bearded Blunder · « **Reply #88 on:** June 21, 2006, 01:42:24 pm »

I can personally vouch for the fact Nobby has campaigned hard, both openly & behind the scenes trying to get an effective blocking system in place & actively promoted by Pie, He should in no way be blamed for the inaction there. His statement above is no kind of victory, or even a change of view.

bughunter · « **Reply #89 on:** June 21, 2006, 02:54:43 pm »

quote from nobby........And i still feel that km (or anyone 1 person) monopolising the Wpn would be a very very bad situation.......
funny that.........thats exactly what you vladd and the rest of you maggots tried to do...........funny how the worm turns....
as for keeping up dipshit.....IT IS YOU WHO NEEDS TO KEEP UP.............pie is no more open source then microsoft..........and for you or any of the other pie maggots to susgest other wise isd just a LIE..........but then pie is just one big lie,which has now been exposed..........and you still havent answered neutrons question, have you why, is it because you dont know????/
go back to your maggot patch nobby your stupidity isnt needed here.you and the rest of the maggots can all sit around blaming km for all that has happined........of course you wouldnt look at your own actions and take responsibilty for them...........way to much to ask....

winmx first.........

pie maggots last ....................

Scyre · « **Reply #90 on:** June 21, 2006, 05:02:43 pm »

Well yet ANOTHER example of the censoring of speech at vladds here...But this one has a nice little twist!
After locking the thread to not let users have an opinion THE THREAD WAS ADDED TO BY ONE OF THE PIE ADMINS TO TOTALLY EXPLAIN HOW THEY FEEL ABOUT THE USERS.

Now I don't know about you guys but I think it sums up how the vladd team feel about the users. They do not care at alll as is clearly stated here.

..Ñøßß¥.. · « **Reply #91 on:** June 21, 2006, 07:54:22 pm »

Quote from: bughunter on June 21, 2006, 02:54:43 pm

quote from nobby........And i still feel that km (or anyone 1 person) monopolising the Wpn would be a very very bad situation.......
funny that.........thats exactly what you vladd and the rest of you maggots tried to do...........funny how the worm turns....
:

hmm bug, its true Pie was given a catchy name so folks would remember it easily, its true it has a website of the same name, but thats where the allerged "take over" theory ends, the crux of the issue with folks from this site was that Pie was in some way renaming Winmx, this was not the case, is not the case, and will never be the case, in fact km used and uses the same tactic, winmxgroup, winmxgroup website and winmxgroup patch, once again i urge you to please try to keep up Bug, your simply embarrassing yourself and as you can see from my calm factual replies your usual tactic of trying to cause arguements will no longer work with me, i suggest you move along.

note to the user that clones Bug recently - any chance of a permanant possesion? :wink

GhostShip · « **Reply #92 on:** June 21, 2006, 08:32:17 pm »

I am slightly confused Nobby, you feel vladd or any member of the pie team has KM,s coding skills ?

In fact lets go a little deeper, how many peer caches does vladd operate for the network ?

KM runs no advertisements on any site under his umbrella, it would be nice to compare like with like before taking cheap shots.

Unkike Love, Jim , Gem and Vladd, we do not support pay winmx, or network damaging solutions, instead the winmxworld/winmxgroup sites activities are geared towards providing the best solutions for winmx users even if that takes weeks or months of work.

The simple reason is this site is operated by and for winmx users, that is a key difference and a fact vladd never denies.

..Ñøßß¥.. · « **Reply #93 on:** June 21, 2006, 09:22:53 pm »

Quote from: GhostShip on June 21, 2006, 08:32:17 pm

I am slightly confused Nobby, you feel vladd or any member of the pie team has KM,s coding skills ?

In fact lets go a little deeper, how many peer caches does vladd operate for the network ?

KM runs no advertisements on any site under his umbrella, it would be nice to compare like with like before taking cheap shots.

Unkike Love, Jim , Gem and Vladd, we do not support pay winmx, or network damaging solutions, instead the winmxworld/winmxgroup sites activities are geared towards providing the best solutions for winmx users even if that takes weeks or months of work.

The simple reason is this site is operated by and for winmx users, that is a key difference and a fact vladd never denies.

I dont understand where you got these comments based on my post, i am simply reminding Bugtard, there was NO plan for a pie "takeover" of Winmx, as i informed you all repeatadly at the time, calling something PIe and opening a site was nothing more than a little positive marketing, i failed to see then how it was a "takeover" i standby that and have been proved correct. Nothing more than that

chuck · « **Reply #94 on:** June 21, 2006, 09:31:31 pm »

If i may ask a few questions to Nobby and Km or Ghostship but not Bughunter. Im not trying to be disrespctfull bug but i all ready know what you will say the pie maggots there i said it for ya.

Is it true that the server program that was or is being used by the pie team is one taken off of one of km's servers with out his knowing?

I really dont know the answer to that ive just read it on one of the forums thats why i ask.

Am i wrong in thinking that if the pie team had been running enough servers that no matter if rock or km takeing a server off line for what ever reason the users of the pie patch would have been able to connect with no down time?

Do you really think Vladd is not makeing money off the scam P2P ad's on his site?

Being a WinMX help site do you not think it would be better not to have ad's at all if you have to have ad's for some thing that is scamming WinMX users? I know i dont mind ad's but i do mind scam P2p ad's on a help site where people come for help on Mx.

We have all seen on forums that people have paid for mx when there is no need to at all. Dont you think haveing them on a winMX help site is confusing to some users?

Do you not think that the pie team has tried to mislead users on the DILL patch? Just becouse vladd and the pie team do not like KM not becouse of any thing wrong with the DILL?

I dont think ive never read here that the DILL is the only way to fix your mx as i have 100's of times on vladd's forum that Pie is the only way. What has been said is its the only patch that blocks fake files.

Many times on vladds forum ive read how bad the RIaa is and How he is takeing a stand against them, But he wants users to run his patch that has no way to block the fakes? With out his patch the fake files would be gone from searches.
Thats just a fact. Is that really a stand against the RIAA?

Dont you think its in the best interest of the users on mx to stop the fake files?

Pie could stop useing the pie patch tomarrow get rid of the fake files. and if its ever needed again they could have a host file up in min.s its not like its going to change how to make a host file.

Whats best for the users and growth of MX is being held up by ego and fear of loss of some kind of status by vladd and the pie team.

Some times to help you have to get out of the way.
I dont think new users will stay around for another 10 months if this keeps up.

GhostShip · « **Reply #95 on:** June 21, 2006, 10:13:30 pm »

Chuck I dont think any of the questions you have raised are directed at my sphere of operations, Nobby and KM are likely to clear up the few that they deem relevant , if you identify something that you feel you need more information on just ask, I have made it my buisiness to be open and honest and believe this is only to be expected when you control a website that has many thousands of regular visitors, they expect honesty and tranparency of action and I myself aim to live up to that.

Scyre · « **Reply #96 on:** June 21, 2006, 10:27:14 pm »

I agree there chuck. And Nobby, I do have a lot of respect for you because you have always tried to be honest with the situation. However that is not entirely true about the renaming... To begin with Sabre and the others WERE talking about tryin to make a take over of WinMX and they just simply didn't have the ability or know-how.

But I agree with you as far as that no longer being the case. Now as for your repeated statement of WinMX not being completely under one person\groups control, I would not think it wise if it weren't for the fact that that individual had put so much into WInMX to save it. Does it scare me to think of KM having all the eggs in his basket? No. Not really. He has dedicated countless hour to bettering WinMX free of charge.

Now consider if Pie had ever gotten THEIR way: well they already show how "free and open" they are about the forum on their site...I would hate to see them in control of anything more.

And this is an example of it:

Scyre · « **Reply #97 on:** June 21, 2006, 10:27:47 pm »

And here too:

Neutron · « **Reply #98 on:** June 21, 2006, 10:57:35 pm »

Vladd and pie were the first to talk about monopolising MX. I remember the copy of the MSN conversation they made public where vladd said something like "we need to get rid of the DLL and promote our patch"
those are not the exact quotes from him, but that's basically what he meant. He was talking also about getting the pie patch to slyck's website and denying the dll.
KM and winmxworld have always been honest.. now they are whining and complaining that KM is the bad guy trying to monopolise MX.. lol..

the only weapon they have is the pie lie machine... and it's not working well anymore.

GhostShip · « **Reply #99 on:** June 21, 2006, 11:26:50 pm »

I think this proves once and for all that these people have no respect for other users and to be honest I have no trust in Jim anway he has published many lies and the latest one is that pie where not informed of a cache change, what honest person can claim that when the proof is in the public domain that they where.

https://forum.winmxworld.com/index.php?topic=2425.0.html

Will we see any form of apology over this widely circulated lie ? I dont think it would matter folks, we know being honest is no protection again this sort of spiteful person.

Nobby, you asked why I posted what I posted earlier, read your own post and see the implications of what your claiming is the case regarding KM.
KM may work his magic with many aspects of what goes on here and on his site but as you know he is not as you are attempting to portray working alone in anything he does for the winmx aspect of his activities, instead many users discuss serious matters with him openly in the chatrooms and KM is often sat at his machine coding something new just to see if it can be taken from the concept to the finished article, this is not the image you and the others attempt to portray and is the reason I felt if we are going to go down the flaws road others have more to answer for than KM who may lack patience but never abuses the trust we have in him.

Many aspects of operations here are not known to all of the users but those working behind the scenes and aiding those like myself in delivering content and advice to others are not out to gain credit or publicity for themselves in fact many ask to stay out of the public glare to avoid the personal attacks we have had to suffer when we asked awkward questions of those asking for the blind support of the users, when the time is right those users will take their places here alongside their already public colleagues and receive the credit they deserve openly.

One thing I like about this site and its a small joy to me is this, you, me and wombat can take part in a living vibrant community that gains from each post made by others, without this community and support of many helpers the site is nothing, we make a place here for the ideals we believe in, we make no secret of our wish to keep winmx running and have repeatedly made statements to reflect this,we believe we have the communities support on many issues, but we will never take that support for granted, openess and honesty are what we have offered in return, yes this is a long ol reply but I wanted you to understand we ALL take our work here seriously and professionaly and aim to live up to our published commitments.