Enough Is Enough!!

[Bearded Blunder]

Nobby.. I started out a vladd supporter.. over the past year however I've seen so much BS & lies from pie I would no longer believe anyone associated with pie if they said the sun had risen.. I'd go check.

If it was cloudy I'd demand additional evidence just because of the source of the information

Align yourself with consistent liars & bullshitters if you wish, but having done so, don't expect anyone to believe a word you say.

[..Ñøßߥ..]

I am not fighting for the respect of the Pie team, in fact thats so far from the truth its quite funny, i am simply saying the donate button was their to assist in raising the cash for a programmer, they are not cheap. Just because KM has (for now anyway) the finacial ability and willing to pay for things for winmx etc, does not mean anyone else has or should, the time will come perhaps when km either cannot afford or is no longer willing to pay for things, what would you do then? To attack someone elses Winmx site because they needed help with the cost of a programmer is wrong, sanctioning the attack is wrong, attacking me is wrong, acting in such a manner without the facts is wrong, sanctioning action without the facts is also wrong.

Ghost asked me for the info on the donate button, if he wasnt willing to accept my answer anyway, why ask? The "action" occured anyway.

Going back to the "fighting for the respect of the pie team", let me explain it to you, as simply as possible.

I left the pie team for a number of reasons, one of the main ones, was the fact my opinions and ideas over blocking were repetadly thrown back in my face often with reasons i considered totally unacceptable. The "help" offered in channel was not always to a decent standard, and blocking was low on the agenda. Pie offered no other solutions to the blocking issue, so i left.

I decided i wouldnt drop it, and continued with some help from Mehere to attempt to change Pies view (i had been trying for months), this attempt was again turned down with no valid reasoning. I gave up.

Vladd however agreed with me, he agreed the flooding was getting worse and something must be done to get winmx back on track, this along with some other personal issues split the Pie team. And as this is the bit where Bug jumps in and moans i could have supported blocking from the start, it was ME that was posting to all users to user PG from October 2005.

Ofc i was going alone to try and get a blocking solution for hosts users in place, but it would make my effort MUCH more effective with vladds support. As mxpie.com  would be a logical platform to launch such a blocking solution from it seemed every effort should be made to keep it online as vladd was already suffering from some "action" on v44, it made sense to separate the 2 sites and see if i could keep mxpie.com up, alas the DDOS attack took it down along with my other sites also.

Thats the truth Mac, you should feel guilty as should all 14 who supported action against a site without first having the FACTS. Its a disgrace to WmW, that used to take a morally high stance, those days are now history.

You can all Q this statement, u can continue to consider youselves some sort of unelected winmx dictatorship handing out "action" as you see fit, you can refute evidence, you can basically do what the fuck you want, but that wont change the facts, and the facts are on my side.

[KM]

try giving some facts knobby

tell everyone exactly who was hosting mxpie.com - which web host?

[..Ñøßߥ..]

As you can see from the email i recieved, i was hosting it via my servage account. Also ofc vladd was hosting it via one of his accounts, i am not sure which host, you would have to ask him.

[Bearded Blunder]

STILL accusing us of  "action" we didn't take Nobby? Of course without proof, kinda difficult to prove since it wasn't us..... Yes we voted in principle action should be taken, as yet what action is yet to be decided & enacted, the fact it was taken out of our hands makes your whole stance both spurious & ridiculous.

Mind.. you must be used to looking ridiculous, the pie team & vladd's forum have been objects of ridicule for some time, & your stance trying to hold us responsible for things we had nothing to do with only serves to make you look an EVEN BIGGER FOOL than you did before (quite an achievement).

[..Ñøßߥ..]

nothing to do with it?

You sanctioned action and action occured.

I asked before if the intended action was not to take down the site, what was it? WmW picnic?

And as none of the 14 who sanctioned the action has shown any public condemnation of the action taken on their behalf ie. a DDOS attack, i shall presume your all happy with whats been done in your names. Although Mac as one of the few left with any decency, did express some guilt, and well he should.

[KM]

i think you are confused knobby, mxpie.info is the servage one... does vladd know about you hosting their site for them?

vladd of course hosts his own sites

when you want to try to post pieified information, at least use the right company name...

[Bearded Blunder]

I asked before if the intended action was not to take down the site, what was it? WmW picnic?

....... as yet what action is yet to be decided & enacted........

Please learn to read

[..Ñøßߥ..]

i think you are confused knobby, mxpie.info is the servage one... does vladd know about you hosting their site for them?

vladd of course hosts his own sites

when you want to try to post pieified information, at least use the right company name...

LOL km, ofc Gem hosts mxpie.info, she also users servage as a host.  One of my hosting accounts is also with servage.

When you want to try and post madeupkm information, at least make it convincing enough to look right.


And bearded, how fortunuate for you that b4 you got to "decide on the action", someone stepped in and took the site down, what a wonderful coincidence.....

[chuck]

Knobby you said:

Ofc i was going alone to try and get a blocking solution for hosts users in place, but it would make my effort MUCH more effective with vladds support. As mxpie.com  would be a logical platform to launch such a blocking solution from it seemed every effort should be made to keep it online as vladd was already suffering from some "action" on v44, it made sense to separate the 2 sites and see if i could keep mxpie.com up, alas the DDOS attack took it down along with my other sites also.

(every effort should be made to keep it online as vladd was already suffering from some "action" on v44,)

So vladd was suffering a attack before a vote was even taken here?
Hmm that is verry odd , so the same people or person that were allready attacking vladd could not be the ones your looking for? Or just becouse of a vote you decide it has to be from here?

Lets me see if i get this right you and vladd have said some bad things about Tony Blair and George Bush so if any thing happens to them they should come looking for you first? Just for voiceing your opinions??

The same way we voiced our opinions by a vote?

WoW Ive stated i hate your sites were taken down but i never sanctioned any action I voted on if i thought the scamming should be stoped on pie.com. I am guilty only of voting my opinion of stopping scamming users for money.

Your innuendos and accusations of wrong doing by those that voted with out proof of any kind is harassment .

Its really a disgrace.

[KM]

When you want to try and post madeupkm information, at least make it convincing enough to look right.

you did understand the point of my post then?

perhaps you would like to give more details on "24bw.com" which you claim is also known as "servage"? i mean if vladd owns servage, why is he asking for money from users? surely he has loads?

[Bearded Blunder]

Yes nobby.. it is a nice coincidence, just like if i decided the lawn needed watering & it then rained i'd be pleased, i'm pleased scam site went without having to even decide between metaphorical hose pipe, watering can, buckets, or teacups..

Quite possibly the action we would have taken would have been as effective as teacups for watering a cricket pitch, or possibly more so.. we can't know, as i said way earlier, (that thing about learning to read again) events overtook the process & happily the scam site is down.

[..Ñøßߥ..]

So vladd was suffering a attack before a vote was even taken here?

Incorrect i did not say that at all. After the first wave both sites were taken down, i put Mxpie.com back up.

Your innuendos and accusations of wrong doing by those that voted with out proof of any kind is harassment .

Its really a disgrace.

No, the disgrace is a so called reputable site sanctioning action and then very soon after a senior member promised action, a DDOS occurs, and its NOT the first time that person has promised further action and shortly after a DDOS has been initiated, the amazing coincidences continue........

[KM]

and its NOT the first time that person has promised further action and shortly after a DDOS has been initiated, the amazing coincidences continue........

you would be referring to...?

[Sophosaurus]

Do i Have to beg you on my kness, to get my question answered?

Remember, i wanted to know: What do you expect?
Shall we take down this site or shall we send KM to Guantanamo?
Is there a list of individuals we should hand out?

What's your intention, if not keeping rumours alive?
Mine is to talk for those who won't take part in discussions like this.

I'm just another member of this forum. Someone using WinMX.
Have you ever heard about that? I'm not a member of any elitarian association
and i'm not important at all. So there is no reason to answer my question.

Just ignore this guy talking in the name of those and their interests...
Who cares. Forget about them. Their interests don't count at all.
You don't even have to answer their questions.

You could have said, you just want us to discuss our behavior
or to have a look at some of this forums users to keep them away
from criminal activities if there would be any.

But then again, i could have given you my word and then you could not
go on to keep those rumours alive.... that's what all PIE-related discussions
smell like: keeping rumours alive. I had one Question. Now i have none.

[..Ñøßߥ..]

Shall we take down this site or shall we send KM to Guantanamo?

I think i should gather 14 users on vladds and take a vote, then claim those 14 speak for the Winmx communuity. Ofc several hours later when a snatch squad grab him and lock him up, we can claim it a coincidence.

btw, thanks km for taking the time to add a custom title to my profile, makes me feel like you care, i feel special now.

[KM]

but, you are "special"

[Sophosaurus]

I think, you are just beginning to see what matters.

Try to understand how i got here. As you can see, i'm rather new here.

Months ago, i reinstalled WinMX which did not work anymore. WinMX.com was offline and i tried to find out what happened. So i found a HOST-File linked at one those P2P-Forums. I found the PIE-Group some time later.

I used this HOST-File for nearly three Months, keeping my system up and running all the time as Primary before i noticed any Fakes.

I'm looking for rather rare files and so i didn't know what happened all this time.

Noone told me. Three Months or 90 Days or 2160 Hours or 129.600 Minutes.
How many Search-Queries do you believe went thru my System, a Dual-Core 3.2 Intel on Intel-Board with 1GB Ram connected thru ADSL at 1MBit/200KBit?

How many Users experienced weak performance, Millions of Fakes thousands of Time-Outs due to my Systems Superior Performance, hammering the net, running unprotected at all?

We'll never know how many of them went from WinMX to Shareaza or Emule or whatever.

I wouldn't vote for criminal activities anhd i would'nt participate in DOS-Attacks.
I'd vote against them and try to give arguments that convince others to follow me, just to avaid damage on this sites reputation.

But there have been DOS-Attacks against thousands of Users, carried out by RIAA-associated Specialists using my System against anyone who was connected with me. There were direct attacks, which can be proved by PG-Logs and others, showing up in uncountable Search-Queries listing nothing than rubbish.

Now think about the quetsion i had in mind: Why didn't they tell me?
What do they have in mind? That's what happening to nearly anyone on the Network, nearly one Million People damaged without knowing why.

Try to understand my point of view.

Here you see someone challenging the RIAA and some people supporting that.
What happens to the Net happens to one million people and here at this site decisions happen to determine the Nets Future.

For this reason i believe, it isn't important, what some (maybe 14) people may have said or done. The only Question is: What are we going to do next.

Understand that any Net this size isn't some Elite-Board, where one could act like some pope deciding in private, what is best for one Million people, ignoring facts and ignoring everyones interests.

The rumours have to stop. Discussions not related to the Net or the Client are just what they are. Talk in private without any relevance for the Net and it's no use in spending time and engagement in such as long as both is needed for the real challenge, fighting the RIAA, maybe get some developers together for a new client and spreading the word to get this patch spread. That's what this board is made for and that's what the people expect.

[chuck]

 On August 23rd a poll was started 13 people voted there were 12 replies and 1996 page views. It is now september the 7th. For 15 days we have had knobby crying that 13 people voted and then 2 sites went down and when asked to give us some ip's of those that took the site down he cant. How long does it take to figure out what ip or ip's were involved? Neather you ,vladd or your isp's cant come up with the ip's of the offender?

 Are you even trying? Are you just pointing fingers and hopeing to be right? You talk about facts but you dont have any facts.

 Knobby you stated : (u can continue to consider youselves some sort of unelected winmx dictatorship handing out "action" as you see fit.)

 Isnt this what you and all of the admins on vladd's forum have been doing for close to a year by editing and deleteing any post telling of a patch that blocks fake files and flooding made by Km?And you know everyone was told to fix mx the first thing to do is remove the DLL its easy to see just look on your forum im not makeing this up.

 There is no law against a poll or voting that i know of. So saying we had a poll or we voted means nothing everyone knows we did it was on a open forum.

 This thread has become nothing more than spam and a rant i say lets lock it and move it to vladd's site The Cesspool.Shame we dont block free speech like that site does we could do as they do and edit knobbys post and make him say stupid things. Well more stupid than he allready is , may be a little hard .

 Knobby youve posted 32 or so times on this thread alone and have been asked as lest 32 times to post a ip of those  who did the DOS on the sites you post nothing .Let me guess what you will post next hmm it will have in it ( You voted,13 people,Dos,Coincidence ,sanctioning action and disgrace) But no ip's.

  I dont know about anyone ealse but if you cant even come up with a ip of someone that took down your sites. What would make me think you could come up with a patch that will work and block fake files?

 I hope you do come out with a good patch and that it does what you say i agree we need two good patches and need to get rid of the use of non blocking host files if mx is to live on. But im not so worried about haveing 2 patches that block as im worried about haveing more servers ran by different people so we never have to worry about them being taken down.

 I dont think for one min. that anyone is happy that your other sites were taken down i for one am not for dosing a site i feal that there are other ways to get rid of offending sites. But to say i lost sleep over vladd's site or mxpie.com being off line would be a lie.

If any thing this has shown that there are many people that do not like vladd ,its been stated on many forum other than this one he has no team  as it once was they have left him look around your self in his room that is whats left of people that trust him and of those 1/2 of them dont they stay to see what bs is going to happen next and talk behind his and your back.

[KM]

btw, as for nobbys claims of his sites being taken down - he knowingly and willingly took them offline himself, this was  confirmed in a private conversation - I'm sure nobby can confirm that for you here, that according to him the following happened:

mxpie.com (hosted by Web Intellects on vladds account, nothing to do with nobby) was attacked (so he claims, still no evidence of an attack, only proof of vladd taking it offline by changing settings with his registrar)
he then requested that vladd redirect the attack to his servage account instead (he was not attacked, none of his accounts was attacked, he claims that he told vladd to redirect the attack to him and knock his sites offline)
then he came here to complain about an attack knocking his sites offline (which he had requested that vladd do)

that sound like a man who has motives? he requested that he be attacked purely so he could come here and post "oh no innocent sites got attacked at my request, how evil KM is for supporting any attack against a scam site"

if that isn't what happened then please feel free to correct it nobby, otherwise stop trying to claim to be a victim in an attack that YOU REQUESTED (which there is still no evidence ever happened - i for one never noticed it redirecting to any servage related web servers)