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Which server is best?

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WCS vs FXS
« on: August 27, 2006, 12:58:26 pm »
Hey, im james.. ive been hosting a chatroom for about 2 years now... on and  off anyway.. all the time ive hosted with WCS.. aand dont get me wrong its awsome... but just recently a freind(Snick) sujested i switch to FXS.. i didnt want to but i thought i would give it a try.. i openned a temp room and hosted on that for a few dys.. and i decided to switch to FXS.. and ive noticed my computer dusnt need as often.. i hardly lag... and it uses ALOT leess bandwith.. and lists alot better... what is FXS doing that KM isnt?

J a m e s

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Re: WCS vs FXS
« Reply #1 on: August 27, 2006, 01:01:04 pm »
and ive noticed my computer dusnt need as often.. i hardly lag... and it uses ALOT leess bandwith..

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and ive noticed my computer dusnt need rebooting as often.. i hardly lag... and it uses ALOT leess bandwith..

KM

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Re: WCS vs FXS
« Reply #2 on: August 27, 2006, 01:22:54 pm »
the bandwidth usage is due to reduced connection counts, which actually causes it to list later on (WCS could be argued that it uses too many connections in order to get listed sooner) so observing faster listings is probably just a fluke thing (it does depend which primaries you are connected through)

the bandwidth usage of WCS is reduced in the 1.8 beta of WCS to give a better balance of bandwidth usage and listing speed, of course you can set WCS to dialup mode (Dialup=1) to use only 3 primary connections to reduce bandwidth usage, but that also means you'll be one of the later rooms to get listed

the biggest difference being the fact that fxserver is not fixed, and fede has refused to release a fixed version, you'll note that it needs the winmxgroup patch to even work - it is the only program that has not been fixed (excluding old not-updated programs anyway) and will not work as it is (a recent seriously stupid decision he made caused him to now include a couple of fixed IP Addresses which can be a temporary connection if not patched, but it is still not fixed...)

the biggest difference is just in the room the admin system etc, which is really a case of personal preference more than anything else - some people prefer one, others prefer the other - there is no "best" there, only a preference

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Re: WCS vs FXS
« Reply #3 on: August 27, 2006, 02:32:56 pm »
Ok.. thanks KM.. point taken.. i said all i needed to when i opened this topic.. ive allways been a fan of your software KM.. keep up the good work :)

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Re: WCS vs FXS
« Reply #4 on: August 28, 2006, 07:54:34 am »
As it my belief that the FxSserver is based on KMs original MCS code with an MFC interface added I have to laugh at the idea of FX being anything better or worse than WCS, which uses improved code and has been around a while now without any major rebuilds being needed.

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Re: WCS vs FXS
« Reply #5 on: October 18, 2006, 01:55:27 pm »
FX is good to me... i remember josh saying FX tok up cpu usage... well it was the other way around for me... WCS Took it up. So out of no where i tryed FX's. it's more stable to me, + i can play counter strike with it running (=D.

And since i switched to the mxg patch, i just dropped the DLL File into the fx folder, and it connected to the winmx group caches.

but here is just a basic layout of the problems i've had with both servers.

WCS:
- locked up every few days
- dropped users
- No config Error written (meaning you can go "Password=blah"   or something, and the server wouldnt notifiy you, it'd just crash.)


FX:
- Redirect still sucks LOOL!
- the logging and is kind of messed up, ( but i use a bot anyway )
- The interface which i think someone mentioned is MFC, needs to be completely rebuilt.
- And here and htere 1 primary will drop and keep reconnecting. lol

but thats just about all the bad stuff with both.. most of you can figure out the good stuff

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Re: WCS vs FXS
« Reply #6 on: December 19, 2006, 02:28:00 am »
I ran WCS for 41 days straight on my older computer from 2001 and it didn't lock up. And on this computer it was up to 43 days straight without locking up or taking up anymore memory than it should. So It must of been your computer causing it to lock up.

the only reason i haven't hit 50 days is because of the massive storm that knocked out the power for 6 hours and the cable for 20 on Thursday night :(
- Josh

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Re: WCS vs FXS
« Reply #7 on: December 19, 2006, 02:08:23 pm »
i've never heard of a case of WCS crashing after running for a while, if it's running after 10 minutes it'll still be running after 10 months... normally most rooms going offline are due to the system hosting it crashing, which with the beta version supporting linux has lead to the highest uptimes of any rooms...

the only crashes i am aware of are with errors in the config, which to be honest aren't a problem for stability and aren't a security risk (as only the host can cause the crashing anyway) and are easy to fix (fine the line crashing it, then fix) so the extra processing required to chuck up an error instead of crashing isn't really worth it

and dropping users is only an issue on the beta... which is why it's still beta ;-) (obviously excluding a few people who have firewalls that cause problems, which is not related to the choice of server and will do it no matter what they host with - however one common problem in many firewalls that effects all other servers last i checked does not effect WCS)

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Re: WCS vs FXS
« Reply #8 on: December 19, 2006, 07:07:05 pm »
Thats when i was having problems with the stupid OS. it kept "un-even managing" the memory. and for some odd reason it over did WCS. But yet still did fine with FX. I've reinstalled linux, and Windows both.... works fine now. I use WCS and FX. Still like FX better cuz of the slick commands lol. But WCS still is a pain in the arse with the no hide window feature, although i just use wcs advanced.

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Re: WCS vs FXS
« Reply #9 on: December 19, 2006, 07:13:23 pm »
snick bud the new beta wcs on kms site has the hide feature now ;-)
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Re: WCS vs FXS
« Reply #10 on: December 20, 2006, 03:08:00 pm »
oh yeah i know, after i posted i had just went to the site sometime after. Lol, should've went the other way around, and yeah, i went n checked out the window hide, pretty cool stuff finally! But i still havent transfered


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Re: WCS vs FXS
« Reply #11 on: December 20, 2006, 06:40:42 pm »
Will you ever lol  :wink:
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Re: WCS vs FXS
« Reply #12 on: December 21, 2006, 02:04:14 pm »
hi guys, i admit i like fxs and its text formats allowing some nice customisable work and the admin system is good, i did notice on wcs advanced it tended to crash, but the 1.8b is stable, when i tried to custom the text formatting like i have on wcs it was hard to get it just  how i liked, but that was when the 1.8b had just come out and i think i need to see what extra hidden fetures KM had added.



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Re: WCS vs FXS
« Reply #13 on: December 21, 2006, 03:16:35 pm »
WCS advanced and wcs are too slightly diffent tools.WCS is the server on its own and advanced is a plugin made by another programmer.The advanced is designed for the 1.7.3 and 1.7.4 of the wcs server it wont work and crashs alot on the beta versions. The advanced is just a dll placed in the folder where the WCS.exe is placed. remove the dll and wcs loads as the standard designed by KM. I used wcs advanced for a awhile on 1.7.4 WCS.exe as i liked the features but it crashed pretty much when i tried to have more than one room showing in the channel list. dont know if thats the case your end. But since the new beta's Km has brought out and it now finally dissapears to the taskbar advanced functionality is starting to dissapear into the distance for me although the gui and sounds with advanced still makes me slightly atracted to it if it worked lol
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Re: WCS vs FXS
« Reply #14 on: December 21, 2006, 04:27:18 pm »
that "advanced" addon is very buggy, mainly due to the way it tries to do things - they could have been done in better ways that wouldn't have caused as many problems, but really trying to change certain things from outside a program is hard to do, some things can be done easily others not... it's the same thing i've had with the winmx patch as it actually works in the same way, of course WCS isn't quite as complex as WinMX but many of the same issues appear when trying to modify an external program like that

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Re: WCS vs FXS
« Reply #15 on: December 22, 2006, 09:06:50 am »
Hi all,
yes i know the wcs advanced is different and unpredictable and thats why i dont use it, however, i looked at the latest wcs and i like the way it hides in a tray icon, and if im right, even tho its normal opperating port is 3 if i use the fxs port of 6698 the room numbers wont change when i swap from fxs to wcs, if this is inadvisable, and unstable please advise as your the creator KM, nmany thanks.



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Re: WCS vs FXS
« Reply #16 on: December 22, 2006, 10:06:46 am »
there is one problem with doing that...

you'd have to redirect somewhere else, close FX, open WCS, then redirect back instead of simply redirecting once ;-)

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Re: WCS vs FXS
« Reply #17 on: December 22, 2006, 02:40:10 pm »
thanks KM for your fast response, it seems the new fxs is dare i say unstable, it has crashed 3 times in 4 days, the 1st time i wondered as there was no error message or warnings of any kind, then it happened again over night and yet again les than 2hrs ago, no warnings, no error messages, the tray icon dissapeared and the whole fxs closed leaving me with a metis telling me cannot connect to room. i will lpost in the fxs forum too about this.



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Re: WCS vs FXS
« Reply #18 on: December 22, 2006, 03:07:54 pm »
Glad to know it wasnt just mine that did that lol    ran great for 5 days and now it wont run
for 24 hours without just dissapearing into thin air... like u say max no error messages of any
kind    :shock:    the new features are great.. i hope Fede gets this fixed real soon.

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Re: WCS vs FXS
« Reply #19 on: December 23, 2006, 12:13:21 pm »
i spoke to another friend that tried the fxs 1.3.10b and his crashed once so far after 4 days, i did post on fxs forum and i guess more ppl will post comments when they see it, theres been no replies yet...



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