IMPORTANT !!! Please Remove PG Or Protowall

[KM]

exactly, peer guardian can do nothing about it, just as my patch does not even claim to - they however claim to even though they don't... and you are claiming that you need peer guardian to prevent it, then admit that it doesn't make any difference

there is no reason to use peer guardian that anyone has yet come up with

(and btw from what i can tell their latest excuse for blocking the caches is - well, they are claiming that they are on their block list because they are obviously suspicious, because they are on the block list...)

[7]

Btw, THE block_list has not been updated in 25 hours.

I've been out of the loop for a while but it seems apparent to me that the rate at which new faker addresses are arriving has dropped off considerably in comparisson to earlier on in the year, where it wasn't uncommon for multiple block_list edits to be necessary in a single day.  Things appear somewhat quieter at the moment, though, based on my own experience, I see no reasons to suggest that things couldn't change again at some point.

In addition, your "25 hours" point is pretty useless in itself for the fact that when the next change occurs it could potentially take a entire day or more (likely more) for a system like PeerGuardian to update its list.  During this time those unblocked addresses have free reign to utilise unprotected peers for their deeds.  Given the likely time it would take for a new faker to establish umpteen thousands of connections to unprotected peers (not long at all) and, as a consequence, the sheer quantity of fake information that would be disseminated, the network, or more importantly, the users of the network, have to suffer the consequences of all those unprotected peers spewing out vast amounts of junk data for the duration.  Doesn't exactly make for a nice file-sharing system that...

So, hopefully you will give this some thought and see why it's quite necessary that new faker addresses are distributed out to users A.S.A.P. in order to help provide a clean network that users can use effectively.  It's laughable to suggest that a day or more provide an acceptable and effective level of protection against the potential the media companies have at making everyone's file-sharing lives miserable if wish to.  They could render a system like that useless so very easily simply by cycling the addresses they use faster than PeerGuardian (for example) could effectively block them (actually the speed at which the maintainers of the PG list can add the new entries and the end-user's client update that list).

Regards.

[wonderer]

Got news for you 7
the https://www.winmxworld.com/files/block_list.txt is the list we are talking about
and read back in this thread about the frequency.
Best start at the top.

[7]

At your request I've read back through the previous posts (briefly).

I take issue at your opinion, if I have read you right, that you believe it's acceptable for a anti-faker IP blocking system to only need query for updates to a block list in a PG-style 24 hours (or more) fashion.  Isn't that what you're saying?  If not please correct me by describing your contention with regards block list updates frequency in relation to the blocking of, in particular, faker peers that operate on the WinMX network.

I'm not sure why you're referencing the WinMXWorld blocklist specifically as the points I made do not relate to any particular list, rather, any block list irrespective of where it's hosted and who maintains it.

"Btw, THE block_list has not been updated in 25 hours."

[bughunter]

it is clear that those responsible for pg2 and there default block lists have no idea how to find a riaa flooder if they tried............
the ips that are used by pg2 in regards to winmx are in effect taken from winmxworlds block list,and or submitted by users........how they actually verify any ip is a total mystery even to them......
there excuses as to why certain ips appear on there lists has more holes in it then the titanic,and doest stand up to scrutiny.............in fact if you dare to point out the flaws and errors in there lists ,you suddenly become banned and your ip appears on there blocklist as a riaa flooder...........hardly a credible position to take on there part............
and since they clearly have no idea how to find riaa flooders, they solve the problem by banning whole isp ranges...............all that does is block legitamate users from using p2p programmes..................
updating of blocklists and im talking winmxworlds blocklist not the crap that pg2 release, are only updated as new riaa flooders are found............the network is monitored 24/7 by a few dedicated people.............this argument about how fast or how often a list is updated has no relevance, lists will only be updated as new flooders are found, and are verified as legit riaa flooders ( unlike pg2 or blocktards lists) winmxworld blocklist can stand upto any secrunity something that cant be said for pg2,..........
your continual posting leo of how good pg2 is just shows your complete lack of understanding............you keep on using pg2 and living in denial as to how safe you are on winmx..............we have better things to do then waste time with the mentally challanged like you leo................in fact we have been taking bets as to who is the most stupid you or nobby,so far nobby still has the lead but your gaining fast...............
and one more thing for you to consider leo   the pie maggots are releasing a patch that blocks at some point in time, and its not pg2 but in fact a direct copy of km,s dll but a early version of it...............what does that tell you leo..............somehow i just dont think your smart enough to figure it out, so ill tell you...............pg2 is a total and complete failure and does nothing for any user on winmx even pie admitt this hence why there going to use a dll................is that plane enough for you to understand...........................

[wonderer]

@7 from the top I said.

Kind of firewall I said, and you might not know the edonkey servers involved are fake servers, mainly set up to gather userdata.
Kind of useless on the bluetack lists though, while most edonkey clients have their own IPblocking system.

Update every 5 minutes, oke, see if more changes will be seen than once an hour.

[GhostShip]

Ome it seems you have no idea of how winmx works, I have read your anti KM posts on Geminis forum so lets cut the crap, your not taking notice of any answers given to you here and push your agenda to critize us, lets have a list of what you have done for winmx and when, I suspect you come to attack us to gain publicity for yourself, the thing is your making yourself look stupid with your comments that are spoken out of ignorance of how things works, take a break before I grow weary of your abusing our site, we will help you learn if thats your aim but that gives you no right to call all posters here kids or liars because they know more than you seem to do.

If you have technical questions make them or else we will take that as a sign you are here to troll the site for publicity.

[Bug in lala land]

one more thing for you to consider leo   the pie maggots are releasing a patch that blocks at some point in time, and its not pg2 but in fact a direct copy of km,s dll but a early version of it...............what does that tell you leo..............somehow i just dont think your smart enough to figure it out, so ill tell you...............pg2 is a total and complete failure and does nothing for any user on winmx even pie admitt this hence why there going to use a dll................is that plane enough for you to understand...........................

Ome and other folks, please disregard Bugs comments above, they are totally incorrect, he has no idea what he is talking about and is simply making things up, as i have already confirmed the new Pie patch, has nothing to do with any of KM's .dll patches, as i have already pointed out in another thread, poor bug seems confused, a few days back he claimed there wasnt a patch, now he claims there is a patch but its one of kms old ones, you gotta feel sorry for him really.

[wonderer]

Anti KM posts on Gemm's site, do you have links to them?

 bughunter? where??

[GhostShip]

*Sigh*

I suppose you didnt post allegations here either of hidden things in the DLL ?

http://www.bluetack.co.uk/forums/index.php?showtopic=15416

Your a troll and an ignorant one, now take a break from wasting our time, we have work to do as posted a few days ago and you can round up your little group to detect flooder IP,s etc that we "the bad folks" here have been supplying to users without once having its reputation questioned.

It seems clear that Ome is here for a reason folks and I think its because only he and Nobby post here to advertise pie, while that makes him an abuser of our site I,m not too upset that I need to hide or censor his post as pie sites do, but he should at least support all winmx users instead of joining with the pro flooding pie group on blutack in an effort to sabotage winmx groups caches.

Well done Ome the winmx sellout and traitor, those people posting on Blutack alleging things that where not true helped keep the winmxgroup caches on the blocklist and you helped by adding lies, go away before I help you, we do not allow winmx attackers free reign here.
Those who posted Included Sub Human Bob, Gemini, and Sabre, and all begged to be removed from the list and spouted lies against us instead of standing to protect all winmx users as I do, pie or dll, they should all be ashamed of themselves.

 

[bughunter]

leo like nobass is just another self confessed liar and scammer....................
there postings only show there stupidity,and complete lack of understanding of anything winmx related...............
leo can post all the defense of pg2 that he likes, it just futher shows both his ignorance and completre stupidity.............
pg2 doesnt work and it never has.............and only a complete idiot would susgest it does......................
pg2 fails to stop fakes, fails to stop ddos attacks, fails to stop denial of service, and fails to stop riaa from ip harvesting..................
pg2 like pie is a failed concept................propped up only by lies and deciet, and like pie cant stand up to any form of scrunity.............
the default lists of pg2 are a farce, even bluetac cant defend there lists and the ips on them, sop much so that iof you point that fact out they ban you  and add your ip to there list as thou your anti p2p...............the only ones anti p2p are pie and pg2..............
probably explains why no one uses either.................
infact quicks we should just ban time wasters like leo and nobass as they both have nothing to offer that is constrctive, or even of any interest to the winmx community.................
the community has abondoded pie and pg2 as both a waste of time, and have choosen instead to use the dll...............but both leo and nobass are to stupid to figure it out....................thou nobass has at least realized that pie is dead and is in fact now trying to get a dll of there own up and running so much for pg2 leo, that even the maggots have realized that the dll is the way to go..............
and in there lies a mockery from pie al there posts of the past year in regards to the dll have al been just another lie.............
but then what else can be expected of self confessed liars and scammers.......................
thou this forum has always allowed anyone to post there comes a time when stupidity and lies ned to be punished by being banned from posting.................let them post on the maggot forum opps i forgot no one reads the maggot forum or even posts there, like everything else maggot related its a FAILURE................poor parasite vladd his monthly income must be taking a serious hit, what you get parasite for lieing denying deciet and scamming......................

[wonderer]

In that link i said the dll to be dangerous, yes.
And that is my opinion. Interesting to read the whole thread and other thread regarding winmx, specially the part that goes about the allow list.
I can't see any agressive promoting of pie however.

But you may ban me if you like, I don't care.
May be I'm coming to close to the truth so better shut me up.

@ bughunter
look up "self confessed liar"
did I do that? did nobby do that?
being called a liar is not confessing being a liar.

Good bye and happy winmxing

[Viking]

Let's not go on any further with this discussion, I use Peerguardian because it was recommended to me by.......  WinmxWorld.
I use a lot of P2P programs and they all work perfectly while using PeerGuardian with te Blutack lists, so I really don't understand what all the fuss is about.

[GhostShip]

Hi Viking, yes we did have trust in Blutack lists used by PG but with Political blocking rearing its ugly head we have no choice in informing uses its being abused to attack MX, this is the main point of contention and we would be amiss if we didnt mention it, although its not affecting the amount of users I believed.

What many do not know is this site is on their blocklist too, you make your own mind up but when you censor like that you obviously have something to hide.

My advice is to ditch pG or Protowall until a trustworthy blocklist is used with it.

[Viking]

If this site is on the blocklist too, how is it possible I can reacht it with Internet Explorer while having PeerGuardian working with all the Blutack lists and having HTTP blocked?

[Bearded Blunder]

in addition to all the political and/or innocent blocks.. all the other problems with lists.. as you've just discovered by getting here... it doesn't work all that effectively either, or you wouldn't have been able to...  unless perchance you also have our allow list in there.. which may just include this site, so you can actually get here   

[Viking]

You're quite right, I do have the allow list, stupid of me, sorry.

[Banned Nobby]

It seems clear that Ome is here for a reason folks and I think its because only he and Nobby post here to advertise pie, while that makes him an abuser of our site I,m not too upset that I need to hide or censor his post as pie sites do, but he should at least support all winmx users instead of joining with the pro flooding pie group on blutack in an effort to sabotage winmx groups caches.

I make no such adverts, and i outta courtesty would not now post any Pie links on this site, unlike others i could mention i see it as an unwritten rule.

Im puzzled Ghost, you come on messager looking to promote some peace, and yet seem to want to get me to react with posts such as this??

[KM]

is that then banned nobby posting on the forum when he is banned?

we have not yet completed the investigation of how you had become banned, and therefore you had not yet had the ban lifted - therefore you are currently guilty of ban evasion, and subject to a ban for that

you are therefore now officially banned from this site, i expect you to respect this ban and not attempt to circumvent it in any way, if you do so then I may have to actually do some work to keep you banned, and if that happens... well, things won't be pretty

I expect that you will respect the ban and stop posting here, and that there is no need to block you by IP Address (and keep banning you when you change it to evade), and i also suspect that I will not have to use other identifying features to enforce a ban

[KM]

just thought i might add this here:

http://www.bluetack.co.uk/forums/index.php?showtopic=15495

bluetack were literally handed a list of macrovision IP Addresses, none of which they had blocked - it is now 16 hours later, none of them have been added to their very accurate block lists, and a large number of them have now changed IP Addresses (no doubt in response to the post) - macrovision responded to a post on the bluetack forum faster than bluetack did...

they don't block any macrovision systems apart from those that everyone knows about that they have no choice but to block - anyone want to take a wild guess as to why not a single one of macrovisions dynamic IP Addresses was on bluetacks lists? (the only ones on there are the ones publicly announced on winmxworld, and those that happen to be on an ISP that bluetack have blocked)

i don't believe for a second that it is purely due to incompetence that they somehow managed to miss every single one of them, and then once told about them took this long and have still not blocked any of them

what's the betting that bluetack will wait until macrovision have had time to change them all before they start blocking any of them?

just in case you needed more evidence to support the arguments that bluetack are working for an anti-p2p organisation