New Pie Patch is Dangerous

[Lagerlout666]

I have just tested the new pie patch and what  aload of crap,
Kaspersky reports it as a dangerous process and all it is again is a bundle.
The bundle contains a tool that modifys your host file which in itself is very dangerous, as this allows them the opertunity to block many things not just update your host file to the latest connection rules. Also it comes with the peer guardian lite programme which has already been proven to be totaly useless and it only contains one list.
It has the block tards list in it, not the winmxworld list, which they have already admitted our lists are better than their own, so what is the point in what they have realeased. I personnally had problems installing this with it reporting it as a dangerous process. Not something that you ever get wid the supposed dangerous WmW.dll.

Personnally winmx folks id steer away from this patch, as a antivirus reporting it is dangerous certainly scares me.Nice try pie team but you are still along way off coming up with anything that is going to be usefull in protecting winmx users

[Faithless_Sniper]

If this is true then it proves my point which is that Pie can not do anything useful for WinMx

[Lagerlout666]

Id provide a link, but i spent along time trying to get this off my comp once it was on, unistall didnt even remove it from my computer, this is a waste of time, and as most know i dont tell white lie's. this really is a poor programme, and telling peeps on the site you may have antivrus or firewall issues doesnt excuse that their is somethin wrong with this patch, if you try it please be really carefull and be aware its a nightmare to get off your comp

[GhostShip]

I have looked it over without installing it as that would negate my rights to look at it.

The licence agreement says that the src is available as long as you sign a non-disclosure agreement and show ID to pie (aka Vladd), this is not open src and no one should claim it is.
The licence also grants the rights of this program to pie (aka vladd ) and disputes are to be settled in a US domain in Travis County, Texas , I am assured no members of the pie team live their except one.

In short this is not open src and not an open patch,  I am dubious about asking anyone to bother with it for those two reasons.
The patches from WinMxGroup do not come with src as you all know but also dont have any legal strings attached that take away your rights as this one does.

Same old choice folks trust KM who has been running peer caches and making the best patches for a year now or hand over your rights to someone who is wanting all rights for himself  instead of freely offering this to the community free of legal strings.

We are not content with any open src claims and I hear sabre is not amused with this patch using his cache address, not that he can do anything about it.
I suggest those behind this patch start up a peer cache to avoid claims of abusing the efforts of others running the present caches.

[KM]

Only just been informed of this as I was busy with other stuff that is way more important than vladd (like brushing my hair), I'll probably take a look in a couple of days time when all of my hair has fallen out from brushing it - but my bet is it's just the ineffective peer guardian lite set to use an inaccurate block list and a modified hosts file, with no fake filtering... i wouldn't be surprised if it they managed to fuck it up so badly it doesn't even work on windows 9x or something stupid like that

[Lagerlout666]

blah you what, start their own cache, nah they would sooner free load of everyone else and charge for nothing and claim they are helping mx, isnt that the way of vladd and his bums.

[Max™]

Thanks for the info Tiny, i dont use pie and i even modified my own hosts file a while ago, because the one supplied with fxs is pie

[bughunter]

should we really be surprised at all this................after all vladd the parasite and his band of bottom feeders have done nothing but lie decieve and scam there way thru winmx for the past year..........
so donations from the parasites paypal scam were to pay for pg2 lite which is free and blocktards list which is also free..............
then some wanna be has bundled it together with a scam of a license that doesnt comply in anyway shape or form with a GNU license for open source  and they call it open source ..............just another lie to go along with all the rest..................
its actually sad that pie are clearly so desperate to come out with a patch of there own and a blocking solution which everyone knows doesnt work, and then to cripple pg2 by forcing it to use a list from blocktards that isnt even up to date and contains almost none of the riaa flooders on winmx...........and pie call this a patch that blocks , blocks what ?
 certainly not riaa flooders.................
so in reality any user who is stupid enough to even use this will be worse off then the other pie team using pg2 lite with bluetacs solution would be..................
so both pie teams solutions are as useless as tits on a bull with vladds version being the wart on the ass of the bull with tits...............
its fair to say that both pie teams are anti p2p and anti winmx as they are now veying for who can do the most damage to the winmx network while lieing there asses off on various ill informed p2p forums....................since both versions of pie block nothing on the winmx network as both versions dont contain the dynamic riaa ips that actually do all ther flooding but only the well known fixed ranges which riaa dont use at all.............i fail to see how either pie team can claim they block..................
both pies do nothing about the fakes in searches ( which is most users complaint) so do nothing about the udp doss attacks the denial of service attacks the ip harvesting of riaa etc etc etc....................
what a waste of space and oxygen both pies are.....................

[White Stripes]

is there a 'pie cleaner' program available? (one that -properly- uninstalls pie)

also... im curious if anyone has any statistics of .dll users vs pie users on the wpn...

[KM]

also... im curious if anyone has any statistics of .dll users vs pie users on the wpn...

well there would be no way to tell, as "pie" is just a hosts file, however it is estimated that approximately 10% of hosts file users got it from "pie", and thankfully most of the network are patched (i won't give exact patched vs unpatched numbers, but there are more patched than not)

[Faithless_Sniper]

How can we get more users patched KM. I tell all of my friends and Family and friends of the Family that WinMx is back up and running and i tell them to get the Patch from WinMxgroup but old users need to be patched.

[Max™]

im friendly with hosts of eight other rooms, i did pop in and spoke to them after seeing Tiny's post, out of all of the users in them rooms as well as mine the total users on a pie was 3 ppl, i have a modified hosts file so im not restricted to pie.
and apart from when my ISP kicked off this morningand i reset it, my room has stayed up on my hosts file.
so it looks like out of over 100 ppl  3 are using pie, thats 2% or 3% at most   

[bughunter]

2-3 %  is probably fairly accurate and in fact mayb even a little high.............
look at the last time pie crashed and was off line for 3 days only rooms that were missing were the vladd channels and mayb one or two others..................but certainly the room list wasnt decimated and was steady at between 16 and 17 hundred rooms.............
and looking at forums very few posted that they were having any trouble at all with connecting...........
the latest offering from pie does nothing to encourage any user to even try there old patch a failed blocking concept in pg2...........
as nobby posted himself on many occasions pg2 doesnt work, it does nothing about fakes dos attacks and denial of service....
so despite the pr from pie all users have recieved is the same old hash of a patch combined with a failed blocking solution................
same shit different day......................

[KM]

even pie are telling people not to tell users to download it, what more can be added to that?

[Neutron]

I just had a look at this new so called wonder patch on my testing PC.

At the first, I thought they had finally made a "decent" (but not superior) patch, until I had a closer look. When connecting as primary, the S= count shot up to S=12 immediately.. It does not filter fake files like they claimed it would, nor does it block fake file flooders from connecting to you. Is it because they can't spot the fake file flooders, or is it because PG lite didn't load properly?

They claim this program is open source, but it is no more open source than any other non-open source program. As a user, if you want to have a look at the source, it's not available for you to download, you'll need to ask them for it, and provide your personal information, and the chances you'll have the source is just the same as with any other closed source program.

When talking about which patch is the most trustworthy and honest one, this new wonder patch doesn't only have control of what IPs are being blocked inside WinMX like dll does, but it has full control of your hosts file, and full control of the PG lite blocklist which doesn't only block IPs within WinMX, but on your entire computer. If vladd chose to, he could lock your entire computer from accessing any IP, or redirect any website to go to another website than the one you wanted to. He could even redirect you from your bank's website to a fake copy of their website to gather your credit card info.

And as they've said about the dll patch that can possibly contain a backdoor, so can this new wonder patch.
Even if this new wonder patch isn't intended as a backdoor, it *can* be directly used as one just with the 2 official features it has, with nothing to hide. So there is no more reason to trust this new wonder patch any more than the dll..

So to compare the 2 patches..

- The WinMXGroup patch is loaded with WinMX, and runs as a stand-alone program, vladd's wonder patch doesn't, it loads as a seperate program (2 seperate programs) that is nothing to do with WinMX.
- The WinMXGroup patch works on 9x, NT and in wine, vladd's patch only works on NT systems.
- The WinMXGroup patch blocks and filters fake files, the vladd wonder patch doesn't
- The WinMXGroup patch only has full control of the blocklist within WinMX, which is only used inside WinMX, the vladd wonder patch has full control of your hosts file and what IPs are being blocked on the system, so that vladd or anyone in control of their servers can block certain websites, or redirect you to other websites of their choice.
- The WinMXGroup patch only monitors and blocks WinMX traffic, the vladd wonder patch monitors all traffic on your system, and can interfere with other programs that are not related to WinMX.

So give me one good reason to use vladd's wonder patch instead of the WinMXGroup one. I can't think of any. Vladd believes he's the "good guy" and KM is the "bad guy" so it makes vladd think this patch is more trustworthy than the WinMXGroup one. This is completely wrong if you look at it from a neutral stance.
The WinMXGroup patch remains the superior patch.
You pie m****ts lose once again. lol

[data]

I think we are forgetting 1 thing, It's not about winning or losing. the tech job is to make WinMX safe for everyone !!!! It is hard enough to just have a pleasure is hearing music you want to. or watching a movie you may want to. Perr to Peer sharing is just that SHARING ! for 1 man to have control of your (host) file system. it not even close to just........ let's concentrate on informing users of flaws within the WinMx community of the Ultimate bad guy, THE RIAA. Vladd yet still does not grasp the fact that people want protection and he wants the control. and just when is vladd going to operate a server with his own money? (answer is) he's not. I wouldn't doubt that even the RIAA probally has him on their payroll...    Regardless, when the techies of pie actually use WinMx, they may hold credibility with me..  Keep up the great work WinMX group !!!!!!

[Scyre]

Wow! I leave town for a few weeks and Vladd finally releases a new hosts file? lol

"I will take this apple and wrap it in a paper towel. Poof! It's not an apple anymore! Amazing huh? And if you will send me money and a copy of your birth certificate, I might send you my instructional pamphlet detailing the secret of this incredable breakthrough! And please keep in mind I need donations for my expensive operational costs and to cover the years of painstaking research performed by our developmental department who slaved 27 hours a day to make this miracle available to you."

Well, I suppose some things never change lol

Best Regards and Be Good,
Scyre

[Neutron]

It's still using the hosts file, but at least the auto update thing is new. But like I said, I can't see any good reason to use this patch instead of the winmxgroup patch. The backdoor they've been moaning about for ages might just as well exist in their auto patch program, and they can modify your hosts file and blocklist just the way they want it.
It's no more legal or illegal than the dll, like they claimed their great text file was, so that can't help them.
I wonder what arguments they will use to back up their patch against winmxgroup's patch. They'll either lie and pretend that the winmxgroup patch never existed like they've always done, or they will just say "it's an alternate patch" without mentioning any features..
Vladd is just trying to make it look like he's running WinMX all by himself, so users donate money to him. The patch is just an advertisement for blocktards.com to make it look like blocktards is some large company, when blocktards really is just one of vladd's many scam sites.
Nah, nice try vladd & co 

Edit: Vladd is still not hosting any caches on his own, and he doesn't know how to make one, so vladd can't carry the WPN by himself with his patch. Only KM can do that, but I'm still sure he'll try to sell KM and sabre's bandwidth.

[KM]

erm, you also forgot that it doesn't actually work when you install it (it does nothing until you manually tell it to), and when it finally does do something all it does is start demanding you disable any firewalls and antivirus software, it doesn't block flooders, but does give him the ability to hijack your entire system and block anything he wants from your entire system, he can block you accessing google if he wants - as well as also doing absolutely nothing about the flooding and the unstable connections pie users have

[bughunter]

exactly....................its toyally useless @ blocking anything that even resembles riaa...............
the single best reason no one needs to run it is because it doesnt work................