Author Topic: Spliting The WinMX Network (Read 12962 times)

GhostShip · « **Reply #20 on:** March 13, 2007, 07:37:50 pm »

The basic plan would be to block all non dll users thereby creating a seperate WPN network, the old one would still be there just not connected to the pro blocking one, this is because for a long while now dll users have had to suffer wasted bandwidth and fake traffic placed on the network by those refusing to block the flooders, this is in 99% of cases the host file users.

The suggestion is to keep the same winmx with any new features or additions added into the dll patch, this is because there is no point in disrupting a winning formula, it is possible to build a client and no doubt it will take some time to build and bug fix , but thats for the future and not whats being suggested here and now.

In short : no new client , blocking of non fake blocking host file users and hopefully a faster and more stable network because of this.

I hope that helps to clarify what is being suggested, please post with any further questions if you are in need of more information, this is an important subject and as such one in which all users are urged to partake.

\'][\'affy · « **Reply #21 on:** March 13, 2007, 08:26:59 pm »

I'd like to say yes to the split, but i dont think the time is right, we need more ppl on our side and at present, i don't think we have as many ppl as we should have, yes it seems alot at the moment but not as many as we could have.

So yes i'm all for a split but not at the moment it could do more damage than good..

p16rre · « **Reply #22 on:** March 13, 2007, 09:13:07 pm »

For what it's worth, I think winmx has survived a lot worse than this over the years and anything that can benefit the majority of the network can only be good news for the end user. I for one have had an "extended time away" from peer, due to initial security concerns and have spent the last two or three years solely on nap, running a server and now realise how much I've missed the peer scene. (much more chat for one thing!)
All that aside, a little "trimming" or "grooming" can't hurt every now and again and will probably consolidate users and fill rooms back up anyway (in my opinion only of course! lol)
P.S. to all you good people who keep winmx running, thanks and keep up the good work!

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KM · « **Reply #23 on:** March 13, 2007, 09:51:23 pm »

i have to ask... what is the point in this threads existence? what do you expect this thread to achieve?

]-[êll.Ôñ.ËÀR'][']-[. · « **Reply #24 on:** March 13, 2007, 10:29:59 pm »

well i thought we was voting as to wether the network should be split but if km has no idea what the point to this thread is i guess we have all been wasting our time even discussing the above so this thread might as well be locked and classed as a total waste of time....something that seems to be commonplace these days when ppl want action.

dazco · « **Reply #25 on:** March 13, 2007, 10:41:09 pm »

well as Km runs allot of the servers and seems to wonder what this is all about i guess a split is pie in the sky without km s support, iam pleased though cus i wouldnt personally like to see a person unable to connect to me or enter my chat room cus they are on another pie, i would rather they can come in and be educated to switching to the dll patch to help the network, which is what i do

chuck · « **Reply #26 on:** March 13, 2007, 10:43:42 pm »

Agreed HELL i guess we could allways do as km did to stop poison nush. we could all drop the DLL and run the pie host file so he has to do some thing. lol welcome to another year of pie.

~~Josh~~ · « **Reply #27 on:** March 13, 2007, 10:56:00 pm »

Quote from: chuck on March 13, 2007, 10:43:42 pm

Agreed HELL i guess we could allways do as km did to stop poison nush. we could all drop the DLL and run the pie host file so he has to do some thing. lol welcome to another year of pie.

km started that nushi stuff up lol i can still find old posts on zero paid about him and i. lol

]-[êll.Ôñ.ËÀR'][']-[. · « **Reply #28 on:** March 13, 2007, 11:07:45 pm »

that is what we all try to do dazco but telling ppl and them actually doing it are worlds apart as so many have no idea wtf they are doing and only got winmx in the 1st place it would seem by some kind of freak accident .... i have personally run through installing the patch with hundreds of people but sadly i wonder how a lot of these people even found out how to turn there pc on in the 1st place lol
as for people connecting to rooms the bigest percentage of people that regularly drop from my room or are having probs with winmx are using pie patch & it will just get worse for these people

lmao @ chuck as i suspected all along nothing will change no matter how much debate there is so i guess its not a democracy after all

~~Josh~~ · « **Reply #29 on:** March 13, 2007, 11:09:03 pm »

http://www.zeropaid.com/bbs/winmx/t-what-is-going-on-with-winmx-chat-18225.html/?highlight=nushi

that just makes me laugh at how bad km and i were. good thing we are all mature now. riiiight? riiiight?

but seriously. lol

KM · « **Reply #30 on:** March 14, 2007, 02:04:51 am »

how bad i was? right...

don't try to pretend it was me going around crashing rooms snippy *cough* *cough*... or try to pretend it was me putting the poison backdoor on hosts computers *cough* *vl... *cough*, or the even worse backdoor claiming it as "poison proof" *cough* *vl... *cough*, or that it was me that started any of it *cough* *nus.. *cough*... only thing i did was get the thing out in to the public so it was fixed, and i did a good job of it too - i always get my own way... fortunately i always want what's best, lol

but back on topic, no there will not be a split because you want rid of pie (and i always get my own way, remember?), seriously, have you read your own comments justifying it?

I can only think of 1 reason why a split would occur, that would be when p2p throttling gets to the point that something has to be done about it, and that would unfortunately mean breaking compatibility (btw, it isn't far off of needing sorting... however it's not quite there yet)

The other excuses you are all using to try and claim a split should happen are stupid to say the least - the fake results, which you can't see, the large flood of traffic, which for a normal flooded search is 20-30k/s of download bandwidth, which doesn't effect any of your connections (if you don't have 256k of download bandwidth to spare, what are you doing on primary?), and the flooders connecting tying up slots, which you are already blocking which means there are plenty of slots...

How many other p2p networks can you think of where they would even consider the idea of reducing the user base purely for the sake of reducing the user base? I thought p2p networks were meant to try and get users, not try and get rid of them - if you want the users gone then the solution to that is simple, uninstall winmx.

chuck · « **Reply #31 on:** March 14, 2007, 02:38:38 am »

How many other p2p networks can you think of where they would even consider the idea of reducing the user base purely for the sake of reducing the user base?

About as many as have 2 patches to connect.

if you want the users gone then the solution to that is simple, uninstall winmx.

Ive came as close as i can get i put the pie host file on and took out the DLL.

If you cant beat them you might as well join them. If you dont care if the RIAA's army is connecting i dont. Ill run prymary and download off BT.

GhostShip · « **Reply #32 on:** March 14, 2007, 05:55:03 am »

Its nice of you to put a figure to a flooded search KM as you make the case for all users who are being drained of their paid for bandwidth by this activity.
Lets multiply KM,s figure by the average daily amount of searches and how many nodes are involved and you can see what the true cost is of allowing the network to suffer these attacks.

I see a different agenda here from most reading KM,s post above, to most of you its a definite no to splitting , to me its a "wait some time" post while he investigates a way to fix the throttling issue, KM is more than aware this is the next threat to be dealt with and as we all know bug free development takes time.

The comment regarding users removing winmx is to be honest rude and wrong KM, your perfectly aware of what is being openly said and yet you have chosen to read an alternative twist into it that has no bearing on the thread or the vote, users will be able to connect to the network even if its not using the dll, so the reality is whatever method is used, we will not lose any by offering enhancements to the client/network based on the already working system that the users are familiar with.

Thank you Josh for being the only user to post anything lame in this thread :roll:

dazco · « **Reply #33 on:** March 14, 2007, 07:09:20 am »

R4 encryption or simular , yes ,as isp throtling is now a major problem to all p2p not just winmx but no to blocking off other winmx users because they are misguided about the patch they use , education education education

]-[êll.Ôñ.ËÀR'][']-[. · « **Reply #34 on:** March 14, 2007, 07:28:45 am »

well if that's the answer " uninstall winmx" i think ill just do that right away as our opinions are treated so lightly on this site ......after all if only one persons opinion is the one that matters then it makes winmxworld no better than vladd anyway
i shall refrain from any future posts and any references to this site will be removed from my room and website ( which btw has had over 6000 hits in the last 8 months and points everyone in this sites direction)
so good luck to the ppl that really are serious and passionate about winmx but i fear banging your head against a brick wall is pretty pointless

L8ERS FOOKERS
]-[êll.Ôñ.ËÀR'][']-[.

TheMacDaddy · « **Reply #35 on:** March 14, 2007, 09:22:13 am »

Its a shame its all coming down to this....
I felt my question was quite simple...
SHOULD THE WINMX NETWORK BE SPLIT ?
Not do we demand the network be split
Not we want the network split yes or no
The question was to try and get a users opinoins on what they felt and hoped for the winmx network
Its a sad day when we are going to let what could be a productive thread be dragged down like this
When all it is intended to do is get a vast amount of users opinions and maybe give you Ghost and KM a insight into what users would like to see happen to a network they have hung onto for nearly 2 years.

I also recall in another thread that it was stated that you yourself KM could not keep carrying the full cost of keeping winmx running
I for one would of been more then happy to help with the running costs from day one
I also have my own high speed server which i have allways been willing to put at Winmx worlds dissposal
How do you think people will feel if they are on one hand helping with the running costs of Winmx and when i thread is started to give users a chance to voice a opinion they are shot down dead with a it aint gonna happen cus i said so (plus the fact this was to just get users opinons)
And then to be told well if you aint happy with things why not just uninstall Winmx
This in my eyes is not going to be a very productive way to keep Winmx healthy....

Max™ · « **Reply #36 on:** March 14, 2007, 11:34:19 am »

i do not want to uninstall winmx saying to someone just uninstall it and go find another site is a loosing attitude, it means you are giving up and might as well say to vladd " here have it i dont care about all the really nice users that want a nice network, you can destroy it & take ppl's money"

looking at that post about the poison, so what ? its in the past, we all did things we would not nomally do now, i fought iron monkey when he was trying to rtf crash a room to piss the hostess off & give it to him, in the end she did & we lost a good room to an idiot that thinks he is god, i was the little one that tried to stop him.

geting bac to it, Come On KM Pull Your Finger Out & Keep WinMX Pie Free & Safer For Us All, Before We All Get Pissed Off With Pie Destroying It.

All the hard work for what????????
all this forum, the site, the rooms, the help we ask for & give, the other forums like Omega's Hell's Josh's MXC's & mine

Did we waist our time ??

Are you letting Vladd destroy WinMX ??

depression moves in as i post this

Me Here · « **Reply #37 on:** March 14, 2007, 03:05:09 pm »

I have stayed away from this thread to allow others to view opinions.. but seeing how its going today.. I dont think folks are reading whats actually being said in some cases..

For example As Mac pointed out, this is a place to voice opinions about a split, are you for or against, not a vote as to whether it will or will not happen.

Second example, KM has not asked anyone to uninstall the program, hes saying that if your going to split the network and eliminate pie users and files, then you're making it a smaller network then it is now. Im just repeating what Im reading here.. but this doesn't sound like hes telling anyone to uninstall Winmx, he's using that as an example...

There are others as I'm reading this also..

Before we start at each others throats here.. lets remember this is a thread to state your opinions about separating the network and last time I checked KM was entitled to his opinions as well.

Folks this is serious so i urge all of you to refrain from insulting comments and to please read carefully and dont 'assume' things here.. please.

Lori · « **Reply #38 on:** March 14, 2007, 04:05:56 pm »

Yes the room should be split..
We need something thats still free. People will quit coming here and then the site will be lost.

Max™ · « **Reply #39 on:** March 14, 2007, 04:20:49 pm »

Im sorry Me_Here,

i was interoperating what KM has said into he had no intention to splip the wpn's no matter what our views was.
and that the option if we didnt like it was uninstall WinMX

i was wrong to jump to conclusions, but that is how we see it.

we are sick of the "other patch" flooding and causing fallout as well as inocent people being blocked by that annoying peerguardian

we dont not want to be under the thumb of vladd's "pay or i disconnect you" idea.

enough said on my part, sorry

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Author Topic: Spliting The WinMX Network (Read 12962 times)

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