Crossmx

[KM]

The publicity you speak of is your own announcements here and the opportunistic endeavors of some jerk most likely looking to make money off this project.

so who was it that claimed it was not going to be free again? oh yes, that was you who stated that you would be taking money on behalf of TSC (aka on your own behalf) using crossmx as justification for it...

April go away and get back to making winamp/winmx plugins thats all ive ever seen come out of tsc(aka Totaly Shit Coders)or maybe it should have a name change now to BTSC(Bullshitting totaly shit coders)

don't forget the extremely complex clock... lol

[GhostShip]

April it saddens me that you care more about accusing me of things than bothering to see how you yourself have painted the picture of less than reliable information with your announcements.

I havent ever taken anyone to task who hasnt deserved it, you are aware of why I am dubious of your claims on behalf of the programmer, its no secret you are the host of a vladd support room and also no secret your a supporter of payments to developers and yourself, also 4 networks clients are thin on the ground so forgive me in advance for not being thoroughly convinced of the viability of Bughunters client project either, I just dont think its fair to whip up publicity for something that no one is ever likely to see.

 No one else in the winmx programming community has asked for cash, why would you expect the folks here to believe what you say when the discussion of money is included every time you talk in any detail, lets be honest confidence is low in anything ever appearing,perhaps in time a client will arise and it will be from those using the network I hope, not those who think just banging in a few lines of code into another protocol based client is good for publicity.

[Scyre]

Well everyone, I was gonna keep it a secret, but I have been developing a new client called 'PerfectMX' for the community.

The aim of it was to include a WinMX client that was flood proof, an IRC client, Gnutella client, BT client, web browser, programming IDE for every programming language ever made for any platform, built in DVD ripper and burning suite, music composition, hex editing tools, graphic utilities, and the lyrics to every song ever written.

Sadly, however, I had a freak accident occur involving a time machine, a box of macaroni noodles, and an earplug, and everything has been lost.

I will attempt to begin again, but it will not be easy, and I will have to finish the remainder of my work on an abacus.

I will keep you all updated!

Best Regards, and Be Good!
Scyre

[]-[êll.Ôñ.ËÀR'][']-[.]

ill lend u my fingers and toes for the bigger equations scyre but i want some of them noodles in return 

[Max™]

Scyre, i guess you wont be needing the adaptors i created with lythium crystals so we can use ur perfectMX on the moon,
also my cpu drank my coffee when i wasnt looking

[GhostShip]

Settle down ya rotters 

I,m sure some sort of program will emerge from BugHunter and so lets be fair and not let Aprils over enthusiastic claims reflect on the one making the effort to build something, it is after all not a few minutes work to build a client, more than likely its something that could take 6 months to get working properly.

My complaint was the way this is being advertised before its even reached alpha build, let alone in bug testing stage. This would be putting a lot of pressure on any programmer, having to work to a promised deadline or deliver a 100% working feature because someone promised it to the community is not pleasant and I for one feel is an unreasonable way to have to work, especially as it is such a big job.

One thing mentioned also by April is that this client would contain no blocking of mediasentry/macrovision etc.
The reason for this is because she claims its illegal, we would ask her to show how this is so and what law is being broken as having poor advice being given to a programmer is likely to impact on all of us.
I have posed this question before but on vladds forum where it was deleted because they where unable to show any such law, so on behalf of the community I call upon April to show proof of her claims or ask BugHunter to build in a blocking system, we cannot allow any further attacks to be launched by pie or their supporters on the network.

[app]

Just for you guys...you get a chance to see BugHunter's own PUBLIC words from my chatroom.

All text from BugHunter, BugMX, CrossMX, and Luzivera are her words.

This is from the IRC log. BitchyBot is the relay between the IRC channel and the WinMX one:

Jan 13 14:49:38 <BugHunter>   i recoded BugMX from scratch..this time it can be compiled for linux, bsd and mac
Jan 13 14:54:13 <BugHunter>   mac version will have to wait cause i need to get macosx install cds first(and hope the emu works fast enough)

Jan 15 14:04:26 <Bitchybot>   <BugMX> ok so i can go on with adding stuff to bugmx...+ i need a new name for the chat
Jan 15 14:05:38 <Bitchybot>   <¤LVHC¤ Aston> TitsMX
Jan 15 14:06:47 <Bitchybot>   <BugMX> any other names
Jan 15 14:07:20 <cn28h>   Illegal-MeXican
Jan 15 14:07:30 <app>   lol
Jan 15 14:07:56 <app>   cn...you gonna try it out when it's finished?
Jan 15 14:08:02 <cn28h>   what is it?
Jan 15 14:08:08 <app>   chat client
Jan 15 14:08:10 <Martin_130286>   bug, you got a screenshot?
Jan 15 14:08:17 <app>   to visit the real room
Jan 15 14:08:25 <cn28h>   the real room?
Jan 15 14:08:36 <Bitchybot>   <«(Ò¸ó)» > this one
Jan 15 14:09:03 <Bitchybot>   <BugMX> @martin: not yet...interface isnt complete yet
Jan 15 14:09:44 <app>   she will need to do multiple screenshots when it is
Jan 15 14:09:58 <Bitchybot>   <BugMX> will be nearly like original WinMX...with filesharing
Jan 15 14:10:04 <Martin_130286>   ok, what is it being coded in (out of interest), Delphi?
Jan 15 14:10:06 <app>   whoa!
Jan 15 14:10:42 <app>   primary or only secondary?
Jan 15 14:10:42 <Bitchybot>   <BugMX> yes Delphi2...but coded without winapi
Jan 15 14:10:59 <Martin_130286>   using only VCL?
Jan 15 14:11:00 <Bitchybot>   <BugMX> can be imported in freepascal and recompiled with some small changes
Jan 15 14:11:07 <Bitchybot>   <BugMX> yes only vcl
Jan 15 14:11:13 <Martin_130286>   ah, so it is cross platform?
Jan 15 14:11:18 <Bitchybot>   <BugMX> yes
Jan 15 14:11:22 <Martin_130286>   cool
Jan 15 14:11:29 <Bitchybot>   <BugMX> linux bsd win mac
Jan 15 14:11:34 <Martin_130286>   how long do you expect before it's testable?
Jan 15 14:11:51 <Bitchybot>   <BugMX> 3-5 days
Jan 15 14:12:00 <Bitchybot>   <BugMX> designing the interface takes time
Jan 15 14:12:18 <Bitchybot>   <BugMX> @april: i dont know..but i think both
Jan 15 14:12:19 <Martin_130286>   cool, sooner than I thought you would say infact
Jan 15 14:12:46 <app>   room hosting too?
Jan 15 14:12:51 <Bitchybot>   <BugMX> yes
Jan 15 14:12:56 <app>   wow!
Jan 15 14:13:04 <app>   a complete replacement for mx
Jan 15 14:13:10 <Martin_130286>   sounds impressive Bug, can't wait to see it
Jan 15 14:13:20 <Bitchybot>   <BugMX> a clone of WinMX with some xtras
Jan 15 14:13:24 <Martin_130286>   it's new name should be CrossMX
Jan 15 14:13:29 <Bitchybot>   <BugMX> ill implement irc as well
Jan 15 14:13:38 <Bitchybot>   <BugMX> CrossMX...sounds good
Jan 15 14:13:43 <app>   yeah
Jan 15 14:13:54 <app>   CrossDressingMX
Jan 15 14:13:59 <app>   
Jan 15 14:14:15 <Martin_130286>   I'll be using it with pride then
Jan 15 14:14:29 <app>   or make krish really happy
Jan 15 14:14:36 <app>   call it PantsuMX
Jan 15 14:15:09 <Bitchybot>   <BugMX> is anyone actually using opennap chat ?
Jan 15 14:15:28 <app>   i don't even use open nap
Jan 15 14:15:36 <Martin_130286>   me neither
Jan 15 14:15:43 <Bitchybot>   <BugMX> k so no need for it
Jan 15 14:16:00 <app>   want to add ares to it too?
Jan 15 14:16:01 <Martin_130286>   will chat be plaintext?
Jan 15 14:16:16 <Martin_130286>   bug if you want to add Ares chat support...
Jan 15 14:16:18 <app>   ares is open source and written in delphi
Jan 15 14:16:26 <Martin_130286>   I have a class I wrote which will make it real easy for you
Jan 15 14:16:50 <Martin_130286>   which handles connection, auth, send and receive PM and normal message, room topic and motd
Jan 15 14:16:51 <Bitchybot>   <BugMX> plaintext?
Jan 15 14:17:01 <Martin_130286>   or encrypyed?
Jan 15 14:17:25 <Martin_130286>   I guess it'll have to be plain text
Jan 15 14:17:31 <Martin_130286>   to be compatible with existing rooms
Jan 15 14:18:57 <Bitchybot>   <BugMX> yes...but perhaps an option to activate encryption when hosting so only compatible clients can chat in the room
Jan 15 14:19:18 <Martin_130286>   that would be nice
Jan 15 14:19:35 <Martin_130286>   it would be nice to know nobody can read my conversation with the room across this network
Jan 15 14:19:59 <Martin_130286>   Ares support would be cool too - let me know if you want the Ares C++ class if you intend to add it
Jan 15 14:20:16 <Bitchybot>   <BugMX> sure i can add it if people use it
Jan 15 14:20:41 <app>   there are a lot of people that are on both ares & mx
Jan 15 14:21:26 <Bitchybot>   <BugMX> k so mx, irc and ares
Jan 15 14:21:41 <Martin_130286>   brb, eating
Jan 15 14:21:54 <Bitchybot>   <BugMX> same her
Jan 15 14:21:56 <Bitchybot>   <BugMX> *here
Jan 15 14:22:04 <Martin_130286>   if it supports irc, ares and mx... I will use that and only that

Jan 31 10:56:02 <BugHunter>   coding very slow..lost all my old stuff with my hd crash and now i have to reverse the mx stuff again

Feb 03 11:08:34 <app>   any way you can do something and release a little SDK so people can make plugins?
Feb 03 11:08:35 <BugHunter>   crossmx will be fully legal..
Feb 03 11:09:05 <BugHunter>   i was thinking of a sdk but ill add it later when i see how it works on linux

Feb 03 11:10:46 <app>   how much of the irc protocol are you supporting in it? can people transfer files over irc?
Feb 03 11:11:00 <BugHunter>   yes dcc will be in

Feb 03 11:19:31 <BugHunter>   i lost many winmx stuff i reversed when my pc crashed some weeks ago..thats why it takes so long now..i have to reverse everything from scratch

Feb 04 13:07:23 <Bitchybot>   <gobler> hello
Feb 04 13:07:26 <app>   hi
Feb 04 13:07:29 <BugHunter>   hi
Feb 04 13:07:38 <Bitchybot>   <gobler> hi bughunter  
Feb 04 13:07:51 <Bitchybot>   <gobler> where can i get a copy of crossmx?
Feb 04 13:08:02 <Bitchybot>   <gobler> to beta test
Feb 04 13:08:13 <app>   not ready for testing yet
Feb 04 13:08:28 <BugHunter>   what system? OS ?
Feb 04 13:08:42 <Bitchybot>   <gobler> MACOS
Feb 04 13:09:19 <Bitchybot>   <gobler> i could test it in linux redhat too
Feb 04 13:09:42 <BugHunter>   oh..well Mac will take some time cause i dont have a mac ..need to get the OS first
Feb 04 13:10:14 <Bitchybot>   <gobler> ohh what a bad luck
Feb 04 13:10:23 <Martin_130286>   lol
Feb 04 13:11:13 <Bitchybot>   <gobler> what size have the crossmx ?
Feb 04 13:11:21 <BugHunter>   size?
Feb 04 13:11:27 <Bitchybot>   <gobler> yeah
Feb 04 13:11:39 <BugHunter>   what ya mean?
Feb 04 13:12:11 <Bitchybot>   <gobler> i mean what size in KB
Feb 04 13:12:25 <Bitchybot>   <gobler> is it big or small?
Feb 04 13:12:46 <Martin_130286>   it will require it's own hard drive, and a co-user to assist you in it's complex operation
Feb 04 13:12:56 <BugHunter>   i dont know yet...compiled with full debugstuff its around 6 megs on Windows (linux and mac will be smaller)
Feb 04 13:13:13 <app>   program will be free...co-user will cost ya
Feb 04 13:13:15 <Bitchybot>   <gobler> how much memory do it consume ?
Feb 04 13:13:27 <BugHunter>   5 Megs for now
Feb 04 13:13:58 <Bitchybot>   <gobler> ohh martin you are so comic
Feb 04 13:14:05 <Bitchybot>   <gobler> i must laugh
Feb 04 13:14:07 <Bitchybot>   <gobler> hahahahahahaha
Feb 04 13:14:16 <Martin_130286>   :p
Feb 04 13:15:57 *   Luzivera  has joined #coderzinc
Feb 04 13:16:23 <Luzivera>   bah damn provider
Feb 04 13:16:37 <Luzivera>   need to wait for ping timeout now
Feb 04 13:17:40 <Luzivera>   just compiled it on Delphi
Feb 04 13:17:53 <Luzivera>   compiles to 600kb (Win)  uses 3,5 megs ram
Feb 04 13:18:14 <Luzivera>   no optimizations yet
Feb 04 13:18:30 <Martin_130286>   is that 600kb with no dependencies?
Feb 04 13:18:36 <Luzivera>   buffers use 2,5 Mb
Feb 04 13:18:48 <Luzivera>   yes no need for anything else
Feb 04 13:18:53 <Martin_130286>   great
Feb 04 13:19:06 <Luzivera>   150kb are grafix )
Feb 04 13:19:13 *   BugHunter has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
Feb 04 13:19:20 *   Luzivera is now known as BugHunter
Feb 04 13:19:32 *   [^_^] gives channel operator status to BugHunter
Feb 04 13:20:09 <BugHunter>   i can compile it in Delphi for Windows then its much smaller and faster (no widget emulation then)

Feb 04 13:37:57 <Gothi[c]>   ... windows isn't coded in .net, thank god
Feb 04 13:37:59 <Martin_130286>   Vista perhaps, hence the slow ass speed of it
Feb 04 13:38:04 <BugHunter>   lmao
Feb 04 13:38:11 <BugHunter>   you tested Vista?
Feb 04 13:38:14 <Martin_130286>   yeah
Feb 04 13:38:19 <BugHunter>   lol
Feb 04 13:38:21 <Martin_130286>   I cleaned up the vomit off my desk
Feb 04 13:38:23 <Martin_130286>   and re-installed XP
Feb 04 13:38:25 <app>   lol
Feb 04 13:38:27 <Gothi[c]>   lol
Feb 04 13:38:52 <BugHunter>   haha cool...so no need to support vista in crossmx :-p
Feb 04 13:39:06 <Martin_130286>   lol..well natually, everyone will be using it eventually
Feb 04 13:39:23 <app>   ummm...if it runs on xp it should work on vista too
Feb 04 13:39:27 <Gothi[c]>   i don't bother making my apps compatible with vista, the less applications compatible with it the better, if there's no apps for the platform, noone will use it :p
Feb 04 13:39:30 <BugHunter>   Disclaimer: Vista Users are NOT allowed to install, use or even watch at CrossMX
Feb 04 13:39:38 <Martin_130286>   but I'll be die-hard for as long as I can be I guess... I like opening a window and not having every possible option in the world infront of me
Feb 04 13:39:55 <app>   lol @ even watch

Feb 05 09:33:02 <Bitchybot>   <´][`hê \/å£êñ´][`îñë Ç®ÕW> bug i was wondering about pm's in that client
Feb 05 09:34:12 <BugHunter>   what ya mean?
Feb 05 09:34:35 <Bitchybot>   <´][`hê \/å£êñ´][`îñë Ç®ÕW> well i was wondering if it has the same pm/chat feature as mx ?
Feb 05 09:34:41 <BugHunter>   yes
Feb 05 09:35:13 <BugHunter>   all pms are stored in a list so you can recall them later
Feb 05 09:35:15 <Bitchybot>   <´][`hê \/å£êñ´][`îñë Ç®ÕW> well the next question is..does the chat part of it have a something to let u know u got a chat back lol
Feb 05 09:35:37 <Bitchybot>   <´][`hê \/å£êñ´][`îñë Ç®ÕW> what i mean is
Feb 05 09:36:14 <Bitchybot>   <´][`hê \/å£êñ´][`îñë Ç®ÕW> in mx....the pm part gives u a lil flashy thing and a ding.....if u usin the chat part of it does not
Feb 05 09:36:54 <Bitchybot>   <´][`hê \/å£êñ´][`îñë Ç®ÕW> i was wonderig if there was something to help u not forget there is a lil chat window hiding lol
Feb 05 09:37:04 <BugHunter>   you can customize it if you want a beep,bing or whatever in any situation
Feb 05 09:37:28 <BugHunter>   like a buildin bot
Feb 05 09:37:39 <Bitchybot>   <´][`hê \/å£êñ´][`îñë Ç®ÕW> ok..and that included the lil chat window i always forget about lol ?
Feb 05 09:37:46 <BugHunter>   yes
Feb 05 09:37:49 <Bitchybot>   <´][`hê \/å£êñ´][`îñë Ç®ÕW> lol
Feb 05 09:38:13 <Martin_130286>   it's such a nice day today... sunny days are best for coding
Feb 05 09:38:15 <Bitchybot>   <´][`hê \/å£êñ´][`îñë Ç®ÕW> i was jst wondering cuz that one is quiet and i always forget about it when i get busy
Feb 05 09:38:20 <Bitchybot>   <´][`hê \/å£êñ´][`îñë Ç®ÕW> lol
Feb 05 09:38:33 <Bitchybot>   <´][`hê \/å£êñ´][`îñë Ç®ÕW> its getting sunny here,but a lil cool still
Feb 05 09:38:55 <BugHunter>   just finished the file hashing part..now whats next...hmm
Feb 05 09:40:04 <Bitchybot>   <ebb.¤tTÞ¤.~CTó~.~TVT~.««X¬Z»»> Hi Bug I will volunter to beta test crossmx on Ubunto if you want me to. Boki directed me here as I was talking to her about trying to get winmx working using WINE on linux.
Feb 05 09:40:56 <Bitchybot>   <´][`hê \/å£êñ´][`îñë Ç®ÕW> i would try any linux lol
Feb 05 09:41:19 <Bitchybot>   <´][`hê \/å£êñ´][`îñë Ç®ÕW> i havnt tried linux yet
Feb 05 09:41:53 <BugHunter>   i have Suse, RedHat, PCBsd and DSLN here for testing..
Feb 05 09:42:11 <BugHunter>   what i really need is MacOSx
Feb 05 09:42:33 <Bitchybot>   <ebb.¤tTÞ¤.~CTó~.~TVT~.««X¬Z»»> sorry can't help with that
Feb 05 09:42:41 <Bitchybot>   <ebb.¤tTÞ¤.~CTó~.~TVT~.««X¬Z»»> don't know any apple heads
Feb 05 09:43:46 <Bitchybot>   <´][`hê \/å£êñ´][`îñë Ç®ÕW> i have a mac g3,but have never used it lol
Feb 05 09:43:57 <Bitchybot>   <´][`hê \/å£êñ´][`îñë Ç®ÕW> i know nuthing about it
Feb 05 09:44:09 <Bitchybot>   <´][`hê \/å£êñ´][`îñë Ç®ÕW> or i guess apple G3
Feb 05 09:44:14 <Bitchybot>   <´][`hê \/å£êñ´][`îñë Ç®ÕW> with os10
Feb 05 09:44:49 <Bitchybot>   <´][`hê \/å£êñ´][`îñë Ç®ÕW> i have turned it to make sure it works and havnt touched it since
Feb 05 09:45:01 <Bitchybot>   <ebb.¤tTÞ¤.~CTó~.~TVT~.««X¬Z»»> I mostly use RedHat on servers but I am going with Ubuntu as I have to be unofficial support to family and friends and they need simple.
Feb 05 09:45:19 <Bitchybot>   <ebb.¤tTÞ¤.~CTó~.~TVT~.««X¬Z»»> should have said Ubunto at home
Feb 05 09:45:24 <Bitchybot>   <´][`hê \/å£êñ´][`îñë Ç®ÕW> i have to use the redhat stuff at work for service repair orders
Feb 05 09:45:39 <Bitchybot>   <ebb.¤tTÞ¤.~CTó~.~TVT~.««X¬Z»»> I am going for my RHCE this year
Feb 05 09:45:52 <Bitchybot>   <´][`hê \/å£êñ´][`îñë Ç®ÕW> im an automobile technician
Feb 05 09:45:57 <Bitchybot>   <ebb.¤tTÞ¤.~CTó~.~TVT~.««X¬Z»»> got SCSA last year
Feb 05 09:46:33 <Bitchybot>   <´][`hê \/å£êñ´][`îñë Ç®ÕW> they got the systems so redhat and microsoft work together now
Feb 05 09:48:04 <Bitchybot>   <´][`hê \/å£êñ´][`îñë Ç®ÕW> hey bug does mac do remote like xp ?
Feb 05 09:48:24 <Bitchybot>   <´][`hê \/å£êñ´][`îñë Ç®ÕW> or apple  
Feb 05 09:48:44 <Bitchybot>   <ebb.¤tTÞ¤.~CTó~.~TVT~.««X¬Z»»> We do Windows Server in differnet flavors, solaris 8.9.10 and Redhat, but new projectsare going with other linux distros
Feb 05 09:48:47 <BugHunter>   idk...my last mac was with system 7.5 on a Moto 68020
Feb 05 09:49:19 <Bitchybot>   <ebb.¤tTÞ¤.~CTó~.~TVT~.««X¬Z»»> I'll bee right back.Have to start car and let it run still -20C here.
Feb 05 09:49:21 <Bitchybot>   <´][`hê \/å£êñ´][`îñë Ç®ÕW> i was going to say if it does remote your more than welcome to use mine on remote
Feb 05 09:49:36 <Bitchybot>   <´][`hê \/å£êñ´][`îñë Ç®ÕW> all i know is it's a G3
Feb 05 09:50:21 <BugHunter>   thx but ill try to get OSX from somewhere
Feb 05 09:50:33 <Bitchybot>   <´][`hê \/å£êñ´][`îñë Ç®ÕW> lol..ok
Feb 05 09:50:57 <Bitchybot>   <´][`hê \/å£êñ´][`îñë Ç®ÕW> yeah i dont have the software..its already on the computer
Feb 05 09:51:19 <BugHunter>   i need the i386 version i think
Feb 05 09:52:39 <Bitchybot>   <´][`hê \/å£êñ´][`îñë Ç®ÕW> i dont know anything about macs or apples...if u know a way for me to get if off i can try for u
Feb 05 09:53:03 <Bitchybot>   <TSC[55]; ßôkî ¤tTÞ¤> enjoying urself Ebb?
Feb 05 09:53:26 <BugHunter>   no idea but it wouldnt help cause you have a PowerPC and running an emu here on this old pc wouldnt work anyway
Feb 05 09:57:00 <Bitchybot>   <´][`hê \/å£êñ´][`îñë Ç®ÕW> is that waht they call the G3 ?  power pc
Feb 05 09:57:30 <BugHunter>   G3 is the CPU used in the Mac..in this case its a PowerPC (Risc CPU)
Feb 05 09:57:37 <Bitchybot>   <´][`hê \/å£êñ´][`îñë Ç®ÕW> ok
Feb 05 09:57:49 <Bitchybot>   <ebb.¤tTÞ¤.~CTó~.~TVT~.««X¬Z»»> brr good thing I have new battery and fresh oil  
Feb 05 09:58:26 <Bitchybot>   <ebb.¤tTÞ¤.~CTó~.~TVT~.««X¬Z»»> I am off but willpark and bee back later AFK
Feb 05 09:58:27 <Bitchybot>   <´][`hê \/å£êñ´][`îñë Ç®ÕW> do u know if those cube style G3 are the same..the ones with the monitor,floppy,zip and cd in one
Feb 05 09:58:52 <BugHunter>   idk
Feb 05 09:59:00 <Bitchybot>   <TSC[55]; ßôkî ¤tTÞ¤> cya Ebb and enjoy!
Feb 05 09:59:01 <Bitchybot>   CrossMX has entered
Feb 05 09:59:06 <Bitchybot>   <´][`hê \/å£êñ´][`îñë Ç®ÕW> lol..well i have one of those too  
Feb 05 10:01:11 <Bitchybot>   <CrossMX> hmmm...flat buttons look nicer
Feb 05 10:01:54 <Bitchybot>   <´][`hê \/å£êñ´][`îñë Ç®ÕW> i have the G3 desktop lookin one too,but i dont know if it works..havnt plugged it in yet
Feb 05 10:02:24 <Bitchybot>   <´][`hê \/å£êñ´][`îñë Ç®ÕW> the kind u set on desk and plop monitor on top
Feb 05 10:03:04 <Bitchybot>   <CrossMX> could some1 pls try to pm me...need to test my pm-history list
Feb 05 10:03:10 <Bitchybot>   <´][`hê \/å£êñ´][`îñë Ç®ÕW> sure
Feb 05 10:03:43 <Bitchybot>   <´][`hê \/å£êñ´][`îñë Ç®ÕW> it appears to ahve gone through
Feb 05 10:03:56 <Bitchybot>   <CrossMX> yeah..ok works like it should
Feb 05 10:04:20 <Bitchybot>   <´][`hê \/å£êñ´][`îñë Ç®ÕW> cool
Feb 05 10:04:39 <Bitchybot>   <TSC[55]; ßôkî ¤tTÞ¤> .-.
Feb 05 10:04:41 <Bitchybot>   <TSC[55]; ßôkî ¤tTÞ¤> Lag time is: 1632ms
Feb 05 10:04:43 <Bitchybot>   <CrossMX> lmao
Feb 05 10:05:23 <Bitchybot>   <CrossMX> i dont see the action stuff in the dark zone
Feb 05 10:05:44 <Bitchybot>   <´][`hê \/å£êñ´][`îñë Ç®ÕW> well i see action all the time lol
Feb 05 10:05:50 <Bitchybot>   <CrossMX> hehe no action stuff in dark zone
Feb 05 10:06:27 <Bitchybot>   <´][`hê \/å£êñ´][`îñë Ç®ÕW> i always wondered if u got it as well or if it was just a quirk to the connection
Feb 05 10:06:35 <Martin_130286>   I'm going to get some work done on easm... be back later on
Feb 05 10:06:42 <Bitchybot>   <´][`hê \/å£êñ´][`îñë Ç®ÕW> have fun
Feb 05 10:06:53 <Martin_130286>   ttyal
Feb 05 10:06:56 *   Martin_130286 has quit (Quit: Leaving)
Feb 05 10:07:19 <Bitchybot>   <CrossMX> how long did it take to send the pm ?
Feb 05 10:07:29 <Bitchybot>   <´][`hê \/å£êñ´][`îñë Ç®ÕW> it was pretty quick
Feb 05 10:07:38 <Bitchybot>   <CrossMX> good
Feb 05 10:07:41 <Bitchybot>   <´][`hê \/å£êñ´][`îñë Ç®ÕW> not even a second
Feb 05 10:08:01 <Bitchybot>   <´][`hê \/å£êñ´][`îñë Ç®ÕW> im on dsl in usa east coast
Feb 05 10:08:13 <Bitchybot>   <CrossMX> dsl croatia
Feb 05 10:08:21 <Bitchybot>   <´][`hê \/å£êñ´][`îñë Ç®ÕW> im below app
Feb 05 10:08:43 <Bitchybot>   <´][`hê \/å£êñ´][`îñë Ç®ÕW> about 2 states down
Feb 05 10:09:21 <Bitchybot>   <´][`hê \/å£êñ´][`îñë Ç®ÕW> i dont this person,but a friend of mine knows a friend/neighbor from croatia
Feb 05 10:09:25 <Bitchybot>   <´][`hê \/å£êñ´][`îñë Ç®ÕW> *know
Feb 05 10:09:28 <Bitchybot>   <¤tTÞ¤ ßôzânâ> LAG
Feb 05 10:09:28 <Bitchybot>   <TSC[55]; ßôkî ¤tTÞ¤> .-.
Feb 05 10:09:29 <Bitchybot>   <TSC[55]; ßôkî ¤tTÞ¤> Lag time is: 531ms
Feb 05 10:10:17 <Bitchybot>   <CrossMX> lag from aust to usa is bigger then usa to cro ??
Feb 05 10:11:10 <Bitchybot>   <´][`hê \/å£êñ´][`îñë Ç®ÕW> probably where it was routed to,but u can probably see that through the hops
Feb 05 10:11:48 <Bitchybot>   <CrossMX> boki?
Feb 05 10:11:54 <Bitchybot>   <TSC[55]; ßôkî ¤tTÞ¤> yes?
Feb 05 10:12:05 <Bitchybot>   <CrossMX> thats a bot making the lagtest?
Feb 05 10:12:12 <Bitchybot>   <TSC[55]; ßôkî ¤tTÞ¤> yes
Feb 05 10:12:22 <Bitchybot>   <TSC[55]; ßôkî ¤tTÞ¤> and yells out my name
Feb 05 10:12:32 <Bitchybot>   <CrossMX> k
Feb 05 10:12:41 <Bitchybot>   <CrossMX> lag lag
Feb 05 10:12:46 <Bitchybot>   <TSC[55]; ßôkî ¤tTÞ¤> very usefull when ur in many rooms
Feb 05 10:13:26 <Bitchybot>   <CrossMX> it answeres every LAG request...could be kicked
Feb 05 10:13:27 <Bitchybot>   <TSC[55]; ßôkî ¤tTÞ¤> .-.
Feb 05 10:13:27 <Bitchybot>   <TSC[55]; ßôkî ¤tTÞ¤> Lag time is: 470ms
Feb 05 10:13:30 <Bitchybot>   <CrossMX> lmao
Feb 05 10:14:29 <Bitchybot>   <TSC[55]; ßôkî ¤tTÞ¤> one does one lag per line request
Feb 05 10:14:48 <Bitchybot>   <´][`hê \/å£êñ´][`îñë Ç®ÕW> so if it was done maybe 3 or 4 times ina row would be considered spam?
Feb 05 10:15:18 <Bitchybot>   <CrossMX> boki pm me and tell me how fast or slow the pm was sent
Feb 05 10:15:40 <Bitchybot>   <TSC[55]; ßôkî ¤tTÞ¤> via nushi or winmx?
Feb 05 10:15:47 <Bitchybot>   <CrossMX> doesnt matter
Feb 05 10:15:56 <Bitchybot>   <TSC[55]; ßôkî ¤tTÞ¤> k
Feb 05 10:16:15 <Bitchybot>   <´][`hê \/å£êñ´][`îñë Ç®ÕW> i also have a laptop connected to my modem,but is idle internet wise and running a virus scan at the moment
Feb 05 10:16:22 <Bitchybot>   <TSC[55]; ßôkî ¤tTÞ¤> quick
Feb 05 10:16:25 <Bitchybot>   <CrossMX> k
Feb 05 10:16:26 <Bitchybot>   <TSC[55]; ßôkî ¤tTÞ¤> 4 secs
Feb 05 10:16:57 <Bitchybot>   <CrossMX> are u primary?
Feb 05 10:17:05 <Bitchybot>   <´][`hê \/å£êñ´][`îñë Ç®ÕW> secondary here
Feb 05 10:17:24 <Bitchybot>   <TSC[55]; ßôkî ¤tTÞ¤> i'm on secondary
Feb 05 10:17:42 <Bitchybot>   <CrossMX> ok thats why it is slow ( 4 secs is slow)
Feb 05 10:18:07 <Bitchybot>   <´][`hê \/å£êñ´][`îñë Ç®ÕW> i dont know if it makes a diff 4 u,but i also have my uploads throttled to 2k
Feb 05 10:18:37 <Bitchybot>   <CrossMX> doesnt matter...speed depends on your primary
Feb 05 10:19:37 <Bitchybot>   <´][`hê \/å£êñ´][`îñë Ç®ÕW> k..i didnt know if it would bother the bw or not
Feb 05 10:19:55 <Bitchybot>   <CrossMX> whois works for both of you?? whoisin me
Feb 05 10:21:00 <Bitchybot>   <´][`hê \/å£êñ´][`îñë Ç®ÕW> yes
Feb 05 10:22:23 <Bitchybot>   <CrossMX> test worked
Feb 05 10:22:40 <Bitchybot>   <´][`hê \/å£êñ´][`îñë Ç®ÕW> cool
Feb 05 10:23:39 <Bitchybot>   <CrossMX> u send me the whois text as pm ?
Feb 05 10:23:47 <Bitchybot>   <´][`hê \/å£êñ´][`îñë Ç®ÕW> yes
Feb 05 10:23:57 <Bitchybot>   <CrossMX> lol ok...was thinkink wtf
Feb 05 10:24:02 <Bitchybot>   <´][`hê \/å£êñ´][`îñë Ç®ÕW> lol
Feb 05 10:26:11 <Bitchybot>   <CrossMX> ok goin to implement filebrowsing
Feb 05 10:26:15 <Bitchybot>   CrossMX has left

Feb 05 11:22:49 <Martin_130286>   Bug, you working on CrossMX?
Feb 05 11:22:59 <BugHunter>   yes
Feb 05 11:23:08 <Martin_130286>   cool...which part?
Feb 05 11:23:22 <BugHunter>   idk...everywhere
Feb 05 11:23:45 <Martin_130286>   lol... doesn't sound very organised :p
Feb 05 11:24:09 <BugHunter>   never been..i always just code whatever i think of rite now
Feb 05 11:24:31 <Martin_130286>   yeah, same here... works well
Feb 05 11:24:44 <Martin_130286>   taking time out to plan wastes time that could be spent coding & mind-planning
Feb 05 11:24:55 <BugHunter>   yeah
Feb 05 11:25:28 <app>   i do that too...but i keep a list open to make entries of other things to code next while i am working on whatever
Feb 05 11:25:34 <app>   so i don't forget later
Feb 05 11:27:22 <BugHunter>   finished a component today that implements complete roomlist and chatclient
Feb 05 11:27:39 <BugHunter>   drop it on a form, call 2 procedures and thats it
Feb 05 11:27:47 <app>   
Feb 05 11:27:59 <app>   gotta love delphi <3
Feb 05 11:28:01 <Martin_130286>   did you experiment at all with Ares yet?
Feb 05 11:28:38 <BugHunter>   nope cause your sources are easy to understand and the implementing and porting of them will take 30-60mins
Feb 05 11:29:16 <app>   that's the one thing about turbo delphi that keeps me from bothering to install it...free version doesn't let you install components
Feb 05 11:29:30 <BugHunter>   hehe you can..easy
Feb 05 11:29:56 <Martin_130286>   lol, cool Bug

Feb 07 10:04:09 <Martin_130286>   adding the Ares support to CrossMX now?
Feb 07 10:05:11 <BugHunter>   yes

Feb 08 12:28:30 <Martin_130286>   is all the mx stuff working now? and IRC?
Feb 08 12:29:01 <BugHunter>   nope
Feb 08 12:29:17 <BugHunter>   rewriting everything and making components of it
Feb 08 12:29:24 <BugHunter>   ares is a component
Feb 08 12:29:25 <Martin_130286>   ah
Feb 08 12:29:41 <BugHunter>   drop it on a form, assign some callback functions and that it
Feb 08 12:30:09 <BugHunter>   with the component the whole ares chatclient is coded in 50 lines of code
Feb 08 12:30:17 <BugHunter>   same with mx and irc
Feb 08 12:30:25 <BugHunter>   now making components for the roomlists
Feb 08 12:31:37 <Martin_130286>   nice

Feb 10 12:46:00 <BugHunter>   CrossMX infos
Feb 10 12:46:17 <BugHunter>   Win version will be compiled in Delphi 6
Feb 10 12:46:30 <BugHunter>   QT version (Linux) compiled in Kylix
Feb 10 12:46:44 <BugHunter>   BSD and mac version compiled in Lazarus
Feb 10 12:46:54 <app>   ok
Feb 10 12:46:58 <BugHunter>   this way i get the smallest possible exe files

Feb 11 14:07:57 <BugHunter>   nearly all stuff is in components(Crosscompilable) now..just compiled a Windows version using QT lib..works fine
Feb 11 14:08:48 <Martin_130286>   coolness
Feb 11 14:09:30 <BugHunter>   ares chat + channel list complete
Feb 11 14:09:37 <BugHunter>   irc incl dcc complete
Feb 11 14:09:50 <BugHunter>   winmx chat + channel list in secondary complete
Feb 11 14:10:06 <BugHunter>   winmx in primary...not complete but on its way
Feb 11 14:10:57 <BugHunter>   pm, browsing, queuestatus in primary mode complete
Feb 11 14:11:10 <BugHunter>   ftp downloader complete
Feb 11 14:11:16 <BugHunter>   http downloader complete
Feb 11 14:14:52 <Martin_130286>   awesome... you worked incredibly quickly
Feb 11 14:15:12 <BugHunter>   lol i rewrote it 4 times...
Feb 11 14:16:01 <BugHunter>   socket stuff for linux 2 days..bah

This is not all the logs. If you need more, ask about a specific issue and I will find it for you...her words.

Make sure if you are accusing me of exagerating anything, that you provide a copy & paste of my exact words from some sort of log so we all make sure the quotes are correct and not due to your own poor memory.

[GhostShip]

Thank you very much for the logs April, they do show many aspects not reported on anywhere else (unfortunately, even by you)

Whilst you mention poor memory can you be good enough to answer this for me as posed above your own post ?

One thing mentioned also by April is that this client would contain no blocking of mediasentry/macrovision etc.
The reason for this is because she claims its illegal, we would ask her to show how this is so and what law is being broken as having poor advice being given to a programmer is likely to impact on all of us.
I have posed this question before but on vladds forum where it was deleted because they where unable to show any such law, so on behalf of the community I call upon April to show proof of her claims or ask BugHunter to build in a blocking system, we cannot allow any further attacks to be launched by pie or their supporters on the network.

This is an important question for us here as you know, it would be nice for you to ask those claiming blocking is illegal to specify the legal grounds for such a claim.

I havent pored over your logs 100% yet but some of the basic questions regarding mx protocol compatibility are not fully answered, lets start with is it compatible with all current mx clients , can you ask Bughunter specificly whether this is a secondary or primary client , whether or not its a WPN plugin to another protocol client, as discussed in your room at one time or a purpose built client.

Can I also mention that you cannot declare this project a fully legal one while you post logs that claim Bughunter is/has  reversed something that has a licence in it that specifically forbids this, this will leave her open to legal action at some stage if Winmx Technologies so wish and the reason why we discourage anyone from doing the same, your opinion regarding who owns the program is not relevant in legal circles,the act of  stealing the codebase and porting it does not render you less likely to legal action from the code owner.

I myself have done a lot of work on researching the protocol and not once has this involved stealing Kevins work, basically its not necessary and perhaps having those drives fail was the best thing legally that could happen.
Look carefully at this scenario: Winmx tech sells out all rights to client code and trade names/marks, do you think it likely the new owner would allow you to enjoy the fruit of the work they own , especially if they bought it purely to shut down ?

Once again my thanks for posting the logs as they seem to support your information, I hope you take on board the reasons why I believe its not a good thing to be reporting on something thats never been seen outside of Bughunters computer as though it is something tangible, many become first disappointed and then angry,  if this can be avoided I,m sure it will benefit all.

[Zénar]

Seems to0 easy to do a WinMX client... 50 lines of codes and that's it  :shock:

[Bide & Musique]

it is harder to make a winmx server ,  60 lines of code 

i have some questions for bughunter :  Which delphi  vcl components are used to make crossMX ? which component is used for the  graphical chatClient  ?

                                                   

[app]

it is harder to make a winmx server ,  60 lines of code 

i have some questions for bughunter :  Which delphi  vcl components are used to make crossMX ? which component is used for the  graphical chatClient  ?

TMXChat 

(I am not kidding...I have a copy of it installed in my Delphi IDE)

[Bide & Musique]

hello bugHunter

can you show us more about the mysterious TmxChat component ?  some properties and some methods for example .....

                                                 

[Zénar]

pfffff 60 lines of code 

I think it's possible but not with my skills 

[app]

hello bugHunter

can you show us more about the mysterious TmxChat component ?  some properties and some methods for example .....

First of all, I am not BugHunter.

She gave me a copy of this with express instructions not to share this component with ANYONE, and I will keep my promise.

Here are 2 screenshots that should tell you enough:



When you combine that with the following, you have yourself a simple working chat client:

[Bide & Musique]

hello app,

 thanks  for the answer  ! 

if she uses a TMemo as i can see in his components  , the chatroom window  will be  with only one color.

[Max™]

Yes Bide, i do believe that if my memory serves me right, the MXChat was the old Nushi type protocals from WinMX3.31 it had 1 main colour and an /action colour as you know, looks like we are going bacwards, i was happy when we got away from 3.31 & RCMS due to their instability when using rtf codes.

[scyre (as a guest)]

um... is it just me, or does this appear to be nothing more than a very rough framework for a chat client?

Did I understand it wrong? I thought this was to be a functioning peer for file transfers for several p2p systems... Is it ONLY a chat client for those systems?

[Scyre]

P.S.
BEST REGARDS, AND BE GOOD!
Scyre

(lol  logged in now...sorry on the road and couldn't remember the PW! )

[Ace]

yes it is Scyre allso correct is Max
 its all designed on nushi   and mx3.31    which as we all no theres a design floor with rtf codes rcms days shows the problem thats why there was a update on mx at the time   
to me its a accident waiting to happen    with a 4 procall client   
 it will never gett of the ground with a fully stable client
and yes every programer backs up stuff < floppy  disc s comes to mind if if you dont have cds > as you need to reuse the src to make addjustments    thats baisc stuff wot you learn at collage back up back up  back up !!!   

[SamSeeSam]

Not backing it up is hard to believe and I feel freelancing programs are all the more reason a person will back up and when you undertake such a project, it is usually for something you believe in and want to make from your heart. You'll make sure you don't lose it for something like a hdd crash (which must have happened to anyone who programs)
I'm no expert, but I hardly suppose it will exceed 50mb of space on any form of storage device. How much does it cost to get a cd or even free online storage?
mail it to yourself by sending it from your hotmail to your google account

Cheers