Author Topic: How is the new patch coming along? (Read 21907 times)

Me Here · « **Reply #120 on:** January 03, 2008, 02:51:39 am »

Geezz at the theatrics going on again.. First of all no ones trashing KM, what hes doing is a fact and because hes used his wcs as an attack on the network and the caches and it auto updates if you let it through your firewall, and because using WCS is not needed to connect and share files, Again lets remember that hosting a room is not the same as connecting and sharing files or downloading files.

For the record none of us are happy about the situation but I for one am not willing to cause the users enjoying a fake free network to downgrade to a inferior patch just for the sake of it.. Yes I want folks to stop hosting with WCS as its been directly used and still is being from his own one as a weapon, by some logic here we should stop right this minute using his software as a conneciton fix which means most of the caches as well? shall we just shut it all down .. cut off our nose to spite our face.. no we wait and have some patience and come up with a solid replacement.

ñòóKýçrÕôK · « **Reply #121 on:** February 02, 2008, 11:37:52 pm »

Hypocrisy (or being a hypocrite) is the act of pretending to support a belief or behaviour while holding the opposite beliefs or behaviours at the same time.
As seen at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypocrisy.

I want to do this right so that there is no question as to anyone's intent here. As you can see by that definition there chuck it is not hypocrisy that Quicks is preaching towards KM. He is not pretending to like KM merely to use his patch. Nor is anyone else. The greater hypocrisy would be to end use of KM's patch and promote any other patch we do not believe in souly for the fact it is not KM's. It was common knowledge that a new patch was needed before KM even decided to leave WMW. He discontinued making a new patch himself before he left because he couldn't get it to do exactly what he wanted dispite all of his efforts. We were all bigger hypocrits by feeding to KM's abusive attitude while he was with us just to keep him with us than we are right now. So let's that be the end of the hypocrit arguements right here and right now. Noone on this is pretending any longer to like anyone just to keep them around. Myself included. Be it KM or users alike. Users will make up their own minds where they want to be and nothing we say or do can change that in any way.

While KM was working on his patch noone was allowed ot share it unless some of the features that actually did work on it for what they were intended for would actually help. Which is why it was never publically released. There is a new patch in the works by a group that has come together to do it and Quicks is involved in that. Why does everyone seem hell bent to push him to release an unfinished, unsafe work, opensource nonetheless, that is unable to even perform the tasks it's being designed for? The only reason KM's last patch was allowed ot be used by users at all is that some of it did what it was supposed to to help some of the people's connections with WinMX be productive. An unfinished patch can't do that no matter how much you want it to. Noone was pissed that KM didn't release the patch he was working on, nor did they get angry when he stopped working on it altogether. So why do so now with Quicks or anyone working on it?

The patch in the works by a Pie member was a patch that the user Unique was working on. As I have seen lately Unique may not even be involved with the Pie camp atm and is not releasing that patch to opensourse as of right now and it does not offer filtering either. Only blocking. A week or so ago in the midst of heated discussion on KM's forum with him I decided to remove his dll and try Uniques patch for myself. As I say this please understand I merely mean to say it needs work before ANYONE will want to use it as a soul connection method. Now I can't make a patch at all so I at the least applaud Uniques grand effort and wish him/her luck in improving it. Connection was very slow and seemed very unstable. The blocking aspect I can't comment on as I only used it for 1 day then quickly put the dll back in my WinMX. You can use it if you wish. It does connect you to the network like it's supposed to. Just seems very slow and I think patience will wear quickly for any user who has been using the dll patch.

As for KM himself I gather that he only intends to work on his chat programs. He no longer has a sincere desire to run caches for WinMX users or make another patch for WinMX or to distribute his current patch for use with WinMX. So even if someone wanted to "make up" with KM it's not gonna happen. His future on here is a chat and bot designer as far as I cna see. Feel free to ask him yourselves how correct I am in this post. He'll most likely call me stupid then agree with me but if you must know his exact thinking I'd suggest you ask him as I think noone at the current time can actually say exactly what he is thinking and be honest in their answer.

Chuck and everyone else I hope this answers some questions for you or at least eases your minds on the intents or the purpose of WMW and the individuals running it. We do intend to keep using the modified dll until there is a better alternative. Doesn't mean we have like or pretend to like KM to keep doing so. Only in "making up" or pretending to like him or to "make up" do we make ourselves hypocrits in this matter.

Mick832 · « **Reply #122 on:** February 03, 2008, 12:59:18 am »

Quote from: ñòóKýçrÕôK on February 02, 2008, 11:37:52 pm

...The patch in the works by a Pie member was a patch that the user Unique was working on. As I have seen lately Unique may not even be involved with the Pie camp atm and is not releasing that patch to opensourse as of right now and it does not offer filtering either. Only blocking. A week or so ago in the midst of heated discussion on KM's forum with him I decided to remove his dll and try Uniques patch for myself. As I say this please understand I merely mean to say it needs work before ANYONE will want to use it as a soul connection method. Now I can't make a patch at all so I at the least applaud Uniques grand effort and wish him/her luck in improving it. Connection was very slow and seemed very unstable. The blocking aspect I can't comment on as I only used it for 1 day then quickly put the dll back in my WinMX. You can use it if you wish. It does connect you to the network like it's supposed to. Just seems very slow and I think patience will wear quickly for any user who has been using the dll patch....

How about we forget this "Pie member" crap and just stick to commenting on if the patch is any good or not, as you did further down. Forget the politics.

ñòóKýçrÕôK · « **Reply #123 on:** February 03, 2008, 01:19:04 am »

It is not politically motivated for me to call Unique a Pie membor as that is what I know of Unique other than that he/she made a patch. And I very much did comment as to how the patch worked as you stated. You seem to comment on a lot of my posts as if you feel I have some alternative goal to them. So let me clear this up for you now Mick so that you will no longer feel any need to correct me as I personally think it's horse shit. When I post I say exactly what I mean to say and if my wording is incorrect then it is incorrect then I am sorry it didn't suit you but you can bet I will post as I fucking feel like it and I'll thank you to just read the shit and move on as you do with everyone elses. I do not believe in politics when it comes to WinMX. I support WinMX and WinMX alone so how bout you just back the fuck up off my ass cause some day I might have to hit my brakes and you could find yourself wiith a head covered in shit ok.

ñòóKýçrÕôK · « **Reply #124 on:** February 03, 2008, 01:38:35 am »

And let me clear up something else while I'm at it. We're ALL on WinMX for our own reasons and if I call Nobby a Pie member it is because that is the group of people he normally hangs out with. I don't agree with him always and the fact that he is a Pie member *is irrelevant*. You don't see him hanging out in the WMW room do you? The individuals in our room who pretty much hang souly in our room I call WMW members. There are a couple or used to be a couple that hung out in both that I still reffered to as WMW members because we are pretty much the group they support. If you want them to be WinMX members then I'd suggest starting a room up and having someone police it so that when members of either group come in you can say "in here you are not pie members or WMW members, you are WinMX users and that is that." There is a clear and present pie.info group also, none of them seem to be offended, And even now there is KM's group who can call themselves whatever they want. Either way to call anyone as a member of any group is not to say it as if it is an affliction but as a fact that that is how it is and nothing else. If you wish to think of me calling someone a pie member as if it were a dirty thing then you do that but do not call me on it as I do not pretend to call whoever on what they do or say on these forums. You want your free speech you have it with me as I have never moved a thread or a post ever and do not intend to do so now but if you are a pie member then I will call you that until there is no pie group, or no WMW group, or no .info group, or even a KM group. Hope that clears it up for you. All politics aside.

GhostShip · « **Reply #125 on:** February 03, 2008, 02:05:36 am »

In response to Mick :

I understand where your coming from Mick in wanting to put an end to the mindless disputes and take note of the tone of your post in a positive way.
I would however like to come to Nooks defence in agreeing we should not jump the gun on each other, Nooks is mighty fed up himself with those folks who seem to enjoy causing others problems of one sort or the other, I take note of his views also.

Now to the point of my posting at this time, this is the page given on sourceforge for Uniues patch

http://winmxpatch.sourceforge.net/

On it you will both clearly see that Unique has called the patch a "pie" patch, this is probably where Nooks picked up the label to use in his post, he has not made any comments of an attacking nature and for this reason I think you should both step back and shake hands, I would like to thank you both for looking out for the community in your own ways, and lets face it good folks like yourselves are in the minority recently.

..Ñøßß¥.. · « **Reply #126 on:** February 03, 2008, 03:56:41 am »

Let me clear this up, unique offered her patch up to us as a "pie patch" it is currently NOT a pie patch, it is simply uniques patch, it carrys no pie logo and does not conform to some of the simple standards required by MXpie, why you ask? Well, a channel of continued communication has been unestablishable between Mxpie and unique, not for want of trying. In addition it would seem last i heard she had had some communication with KM and had indicated she now may remove the patch from source forge and take it closed source from her own site. At this point, myself and Vladd have agreed this is a dead end, we are not even able to confirm this isnt just a goose chase conjoured up by KM, we cant say either way, but its hardly the basis for an on going development of a good patch. As far as i am aware i know all of the active members of the official MXpie team, and unique is not among them.

We move on.

<insert KM lie here>

Mick832 · « **Reply #127 on:** February 03, 2008, 04:05:04 am »

Over the time I have read your posts Nooky, you have gone from posting open and informative comments, which generally were along the lines of trying to stop the bickering between parties, to posts which are obviously generated by anger.

I disagreed with one tiny part of your post, but I quoted the part which you gave your review as it was a good part of your post.

A new patch will never work if it is tagged as being from one camp or the other, as unfortunately there is still too much division.

I won't bother answering most of what you say, but in response to your free speech claims, if you post as you fucking feel like, then I will reply as I fucking feel like.

I am amazed that such a simple post of mine was greeted with such hostility.

Ghostship, the post was intended in a positive way, and not as an attack on Nooky.

ñòóKýçrÕôK · « **Reply #128 on:** February 03, 2008, 04:29:27 am »

Quote from: ..Ñøßß¥.. on February 03, 2008, 03:56:41 am

Let me clear this up, unique offered her patch up to us as a "pie patch" it is currently NOT a pie patch, it is simply uniques patch, it carrys no pie logo and does not conform to some of the simple standards required by MXpie, why you ask? Well, a channel of continued communication has been unestablishable between Mxpie and unique, not for want of trying. In addition it would seem last i heard she had had some communication with KM and had indicated she now may remove the patch from source forge and take it closed source from her own site. At this point, myself and Vladd have agreed this is a dead end, we are not even able to confirm this isnt just a goose chase conjoured up by KM, we cant say either way, but its hardly the basis for an on going development of a good patch. As far as i am aware i know all of the active members of the official MXpie team, and unique is not among them.

We move on.

<So basically what you're saying is if the sun rises here and not there but if you came here you could say you saw the sun rise there? So basically you're saying you can control the sun.>(it said insert KM lie here, hope I did him justice)

If you'll notice I did not call it a pie patch, she actually did on sourceforge site. I said it was made by a pie member. If he/she isn't a member of pie then I stand corrected and I apologise. As for "her?" patch I guess maybe she had interest in it being pie's patch but I believe you may be correct in that KM has changed her view some on it. Nonetheless it needs some work to be a good patch, much less an alternative measure for anyone to use. I won't discredit the work as any effort is a good effort and better than none at all and if you're capable at all to do coding such as that then you have a talent in my opinion. It just needs a little fine tuning I guess I'd say.

Quote from: Mick832 on February 03, 2008, 04:05:04 am

Over the time I have read your posts Nooky, you have gone from posting open and informative comments, which generally were along the lines of trying to stop the bickering between parties, to posts which are obviously generated by anger.

I disagreed with one tiny part of your post, but I quoted the part which you gave your review as it was a good part of your post.

A new patch will never work if it is tagged as being from one camp or the other, as unfortunately there is still too much division.

I won't bother answering most of what you say, but in response to your free speech claims, if you post as you fucking feel like, then I will reply as I fucking feel like.

I am amazed that such a simple post of mine was greeted with such hostility.

Ghostship, the post was intended in a positive way, and not as an attack on Nooky.

Then you should be able to see that if it appears I post in anger sometimes Mick it is because I am angry and my post reflects my emotions. I am allowed to post that way and so are you and if you disagreed with me because you feel like it being branded as 1 groups patch then you should've just said so because the way you put it I did take offence to it and to me it carried what felt like an attack. I am not a political person anyway. I hate politics. Not all of my posts are meant to be informative. I give my opinion and sometimes that's all I have to give but I feel it needs to be given. As you might can tell I am a very opinionated person. I would always allow you to do the same and if you look back you'll see that in that I am telling the truth. I do still believe that both need to stop fueding and in most cases I think we have. Also there are more than 2 sides to consider now. If you call KM's side a side. I think he just wants to develope his chat programs but he doesn't want us to use or promote his patch. Then there's the side of Sabre also. So there are clear and present groups and even Nobby calls himself a "pie member". Personally I just think hes a "member".

ñòóKýçrÕôK · « **Reply #129 on:** February 03, 2008, 04:37:48 am »

A question I do have is about a patch connection and filtering. If one had the method that media deffender were to load their fakes on to the network wouldn't one also hold "the keys" to filtering their method away from being able to load their fakes??

..Ñøßß¥.. · « **Reply #130 on:** February 03, 2008, 10:43:08 am »

Nooky, i was simply posting you an update of the situation. Personally, i would rather not have a WmW & MXPie patch, i would rather have just 1 patch used by both camps, a quick review of my recent posts show this. With regards to naming patches, there would only be 1 reason to consider naming anything put forward a pie patch and that is to ensure any user searching google for mxpie patc keywords find the shared community patch and not the shit from pie.info.

You are ofc correct unique patch started out as good work indeed and probably with a few tweaks would suit many users needs, BUT to ensure tweaks are made and any damage done by km is fixed, we would need and open and 2 way dialouge with Unique, something she either does not want or due to language gap is not able to have.

At this point and i am more interested in what QS and team come up with, im sure it will be useful and as i have told him, i will do my best to throw resources into its support as best i can.

ñòóKýçrÕôK · « **Reply #131 on:** February 03, 2008, 11:00:22 am »

I understand what you'e getting at and personally I believe if you were to have a patch used by both camps then it wouldn't need to be named for either camp honestly. If you want a unity you and I both know to put the name of any group is to look in a backwards direction because honestly if it were called a pie patch then you'd probably not get anyone from a WmW side to see it as theirs and I think the exact opposite would have the exact opposite effect. No pie member would want to use a patch with a WmW name on it. Perhaps just a "unified" patch name, or better yet a "winmx" patch name? If you want a unity you need to look ahead. There can be no pie or no WmW, simply just a WinMX group. *Technically we all are anyway.* And in case KM see this, so his silly ass don't start talkin shit on another forum, I don't mean "Winmxgroup" name per say KM. Don't get your panties in a bunch.

..Ñøßß¥.. · « **Reply #132 on:** February 03, 2008, 12:02:44 pm »

I wouldnt need mxpie splash in the patch, the patch wouldnt neccassarily need to be called mxpie patch, i have already put forward alternate names for it, only that the pages on v44, acid lounge, mxpie.com etc would still need to be setup as though it is an mxpie patch, this is to ensure users searching for the well known patch name, get the right patch and not mxpie.info crap.

]-[êll.Ôñ.ËÀR'][']-[. · « **Reply #133 on:** February 03, 2008, 01:48:08 pm »

Wouldn't the users just the same as here just have to get used to the fact it would be a new patch hence the fact it had no affiliation to either ?

You cant say its going to be a independent patch then say the sheep need it to look like it come from us though ( meaning either side )

All it would need would be a independent splash saying endorsed by ?????????? if that's not good enough let the users carry on using whatever one they like .... in the end they would see what one is the best and & approved by most & change accordingly.

Its not about searching for any well known patch name as all sides (or at least the majority) would be pushing on with the same one thus the new patch being the one most people would get to hear about and see endorsed by the majority

If that wouldn't be a viable solution for all concerned then theres little point to the whole exercise of a new patch anyway .

chuck · « **Reply #134 on:** February 04, 2008, 10:13:21 pm »

Nooky you can call it what ever you like call it a duck if it makes you feel better.

But i will still call it hypocrisy to call all people to look at KM and his actions but still use and tell others to use his patch of which you are doing.

If all km's other programs are hurting MX how are we to not think the DLL patch isnt as well? Becouse you say so? Did you not at one time say KM was a great person that saved MX?Now that some members of winmxworld has had words with km and km has done nothing different than what he has done for many years with your knowledge, he has started causeing mayham on mx.He is now a out cast so say winmx world? sounds like hypocrisy to me and many others.

I do not agree with his actions nore do i take up for anyone that uses his tactics.THey are no friend of mine or winmx.

But to continue to push his patch as you do ,pretending to support the belief that its the only good patch and then condemming KM's behaviour of programing faulty software is just being a hypocrite.

GhostShip · « **Reply #135 on:** February 05, 2008, 02:24:13 am »

To be honest Chuck I dont see how anyone asking folks not to use a buggy server version is hypocritical.

Perhaps you have some other agenda to suggest it is ?

chuck · « **Reply #136 on:** February 05, 2008, 06:40:28 am »

Im sorry ghost unlike you when i post i have no agenda.
Not saying you do but you love to throw around the agenda card alot.

Maybe you should reread my post. No Ill just repost the part that is needed for this.
(If all km's other programs are hurting MX how are we to not think the DLL patch isnt as well? Becouse you say so? Did you not at one time say KM was a great person that saved MX?Now that some members of winmxworld has had words with km and km has done nothing different than what he has done for many years with your knowledge, he has started causeing mayham on mx.He is now a out cast so say winmx world? sounds like hypocrisy to me and many others.

I do not agree with his actions nore do i take up for anyone that uses his tactics.THey are no friend of mine or winmx.

But to continue to push his patch as you do ,pretending to support the belief that its the only good patch and then condemming KM's behaviour of programing faulty software is just being a hypocrite.)

Ghost if there is a agenda in that i dont know what it would be.Well maybe to point out the truth i guess so maybe your right.If i was to have a agenda it really would be to get off KM's patch all together so all his work would be a thing of the past.

All i know is there has been alot of talk about new patch,new client, then nothing and then the same all over again.People are starting to feel like they are being led on about it all.Km has stoped this site from offering his patch for download and other sites as well. Its hard to get new people to try winmx with out a patch to offer.Im sure they are a few people even yourself that may have and allow others to download km's patch but that would not be the way things need to go to grow winmx.
Im not trying to argue here but if it takes me to post some thing like this every month to stress the point we need some foward movement on a patch ill do it.

GhostShip · « **Reply #137 on:** February 05, 2008, 10:45:31 am »

Chuck you have been honest with your views here and I do respect them, after all we both seem to be heading in the same direction so it wont come as a suprise to anyone here for me to state the same things again and the reasoning behind it all, this is not to insult anyone but to make the matter clear and out in the open for discussion of a positive nature, as we all know the time for recriminations has passed and action is needed,I hope thats something else we can agree on.

We are and have been asking the various coders available to the community to engineer a new patch based on a specific architecture,this is to give the patch a chance of becoming open src and thereby available to all regardless of group affiliation, to merely copy the existing patch is of no value in the long term.

Due to the infrastructure we inherited in July we where faced with a lock in system for the DLL stretching from cache to primary to secondary, this of course caused some headaches as removing one peice of the puzzle requires removing it all, no one would thank us for breaking the system as it stands so any replacement had to be thought through very carefully and we hope you accept that the coders are a team of folks who are not there 24/7 to work for us but a loose collection of folks who work as a distributed team as and when they have the time, whatever they do finally produce will of course have to slot in to the existing framework with no major bugs, all this is out of our hands, at one stage I stated after some months of slow progress the patch project had been shelved, unbeknown to me the coders had kept on working on the problem and recently we have had another well known coder join the ranks of those involved in the project so we are feeling some measure of confidence we can announce a release at some stage in the future.

Like most of the community I share the frustration at not being able to do the work myself, instead my only input to this scheme is to co-ordinate activity that ensures the overall requirements are met and in a fashion that will cause no harm to the network, the coders are doing their best is basically the message I,m delivering Chuck, I hope you appreciate this is an honest and no punches pulled statement of where we are at.

In response to your observation of the effects of not having an offering yet I hope you can see we have been the main targets of much disruption by a small group of folks who do not have the networks best interests at heart and whilst we try not to let much of the sillyness reach the site sometimes a few aspects of it creep out, of course you can appreciate whilst this continues our workload increases and our free time is wasted by these ppl, this is of course their aim and in some measure they have been successful in that many of the more forward looking projects have had to be shelved while we work around their latest hurdle to the community.

I hope this statement clarifies the current patch position and our position also, and to agree with you I do have an agenda and thats to ensure the long term survival of the network and its community base, I hope others share this aim unashamedly, we have all fought hard to keep the network alive and will continue to do so.

Trestor · « **Reply #138 on:** February 05, 2008, 11:47:26 am »

Quote from: GhostShip on February 05, 2008, 10:45:31 am

... the coders had kept on working on the problem and recently we have had another well known coder join the ranks of those involved in the project ...

This is very good news to me; it may have been stated in an earlier post, but I missed it.

ñòóKýçrÕôK · « **Reply #139 on:** February 06, 2008, 07:10:10 pm »

Quote from: chuck on February 04, 2008, 10:13:21 pm

Nooky you can call it what ever you like call it a duck if it makes you feel better.

Let's try this another way then chuck. KM made the patch at a time when his intentions were to help WinMX. It had already been saved. The first hosts file patches did that. Anyway, the man changed chuck, not the patch. The only way the patch changed was to point to WMW caches and not WMG. To me a change for the better. It is not now, nor will it ever be hypocrisy for me to say it's a good patch. You want to see if it's doing bad then get a copy of MX Sniffer and see what it does. That's how the bug that flooded the network in WCS was found. Any person using it can tell it's a good patch. Any person with half a brain cell knows that at this time KM is not acting in WinMX's best interest. If the patch was acting in a manner to harm the network we would all say stop using it. But it isn't. The definition of the word hypocrisy is right in post and easy enough to find anywhere on the web. Now you may call it being a hypocrit that we say the patch is good but it isn't just us saying it chuck. I don't really appreciate being called a hypocrit by you or anyone else. Not one time ever on this forum have I ever said or done anything to deserve that lable from you or anyone else really. In fact all you're doing is passing off some bullshit meaning that doesn't really even apply to that word or to us in this case. KM = asshole. KM's patch = good connection, filtering of fakes, and blocking. Can you see the difference there chuck?

Quote from: chuck on February 05, 2008, 06:40:28 am

I do not agree with his actions nore do i take up for anyone that uses his tactics.

For the record chuck can I ask what patch you're on and be truthfull please.