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Nobby, for the first time ever, I think I can agree with your logic 100%. That would be a great move in unifying the community, and you have an excellent point about the lack of need for filtering, once enough people were on something that blocked. I see that as a great benefit, as we now have MANY users without proper blocking in the first place.The community needs to finally be unified. And that would be looking forward, as Nook put it.
NookyYou have misunderstood what i have asked for:We have a joint goal here, WmW wish to have a new patch that 1. frees them of any tie with KM 2. they can host and update as they wish to. I also accept there would be some benifits to Pie users, the only stipulation being is the patch must be open source.I am also aware WmW will not ask the users of Kms patch to down grade to a non filtering patch. Thats fine, why would they need to ask anyone to downgrade? What we are taking about here is an open source patch for all users, that incorporates blocking but NOT filtering as this time. This patch could be rolled out to all new users both Wmw and Pie and could then be upgraded as an when break throughs or developments appear.
Not wanting to drive our coding staff (a remaining two folks) into a brick wall for an extended amount of time I told them to halt the work, there are two reasons behind this decision and I shall now explain them, the first one is simply that to recreate KM's patch using the same method he is using is hardly gaining us anything in terms of moving forward and of course if it involved primary traffic adjustment could never be open sourced or released without a major chance of problems arising from that release in terms of furthering our enemies legal authority to attack us, what many forget is that the DMCA applies to companies like Macrovision/MediaDefender and they are bound by law to do no research on breaking Winmx Technologies "digital locks" , instead they rely on openly published information to gather useful snippets of information that can be used to disrupt the network.
This would have several benifits to both groups, aswell as ofc unifying a Winmx connection method, this in itself would see greater support for the 1 connection option, and the benifit a cross group solution brings in publicity and indeed lack of negative publicity.Once such a patch is available, we would have a bigger "army" of users spreading the word and the singing from the blocking song sheet (so to speak) we could then move forward as a whole and tackle the issue of upgrading those users still stuck on the pie.info hosts only farce.Bottom line, united we stand divided we fall, AND if all users on Winmx were using such a patch, filtering would be nothing more than a pointless paper wieght, as their would be no fakes to filter.
THIS IS WHAT I AM TALKING ABOUT!!!!!
If at a later date GS and team or anyone else feels they can add filtering, then great, if not we push onto the goal of getting all users onto this patch and blocking the flooders in the first place!!!!Right now we continue to waste time debating a patch that we should have had in place MONTHS ago, then instead of going around and around in debating cirlces, we could have ALL been busy spreading the good word of a community controlled patch, caches and blocking system..............As i understand it Hollow had such a patch ready months and months and months ago, all this time wasted is stupid, Hollows patch or one of the other similar efforts should have been rolled out ages ago, with features to be added.........
Nooky,Sorry you don't get it. That's all I can say. I do not want to continue fanning the flames here. There was a reason I said all that I said, and many people see exactly why. I have respect for your words, and know your intention, so I will just leave it at that.
The main purpose of my original post was to remind ppl about the damage thats already been done because of this 'falling out' with KM. Continously provoking him at this point isnt in the best interest of the community nor does it make any sense. KM isnt bothering anyone here. He's off doing his own thing now. Why would anyone provoke him into possibly attacking again when the damage from the last mess hasnt been cleaned up yet. I've been coming here for a year or two now and the only time i've felt like joining one of these discussions is when it's related to the 1xxx ip flooding because I was an fxs user who's changed servers 3 times now and with a good size room and 3 bots you know what a pain in the a** that was for me. Also, I support alot of other hosts who are struggling right now to keep their rooms going with fxs servers that are dropping ppl and crashing daily. Not to mention entire ques dropping and other various annoyances. If by upgrading the patch or cache software the 1xxx ip flooding can be stopped and if that can prevent something like this from happening again whenever someone gets a hair across their a** then i'm all for coming here and asking questions and tossing ideas around. Unfortunately though, all i see happening is people pointing fingers at each other, putting other peoples ideas down, calling people stupid because theyre new or dont know everything there is to know about 'how this all works'. Whatever, i'm done with this discussion because just by coming here and being a concerned user from the community and offering any kind of help i can give i end up being the one whos provoked or attacked.
I would love to come and see Ms Toad but i cant seem to join the Room
That pretty much explains why right there. It's not that I missed your point or that I don't agree with you in certain ways. The point is to be free of KM and make the network self sufficient by going open source. That way at least 2 of the 3 groups pull together.
On that I do agree with you. I think the more users blocking the more likely to have 0 fake results, thus eliminating the need for filtering. But you wouldn't support a primery level blocking patch that can not go opensource for obvious reasons. Of which may as well be a rewritten KM patch.
]Ssssssh. I'm not deaf or blind and since this isn't a movie no need for theatrics, lol.
Ok, he's already explained why he had them stop for now
Since you obviously KNOW the pie patch is not nearly as good, and you KNOW it would unify 2 of the 3 camps, and it obviously IS that important to you then why do insist on all the burdon being on Quicks? On WMW in general? Got any coder friends?
