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UK Government Talks Tough On Filesharing
« on: February 12, 2008, 06:24:40 pm »
More mumbling rhetoric is being heard from Whitehall regarding ISP snooping in the UK.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/7240234.stm

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A draft consultation suggests internet service providers would be required to take action over users who access pirated material via their accounts.
But the government is stressing that plans are at an early stage and it is still working on final proposals.

The Internet Service Providers Association said data protection laws would prevent providers from looking at the content of information sent over their networks.
"ISPs are no more able to inspect and filter every single packet passing across their network than the Post Office is able to open every envelope," the association said. "ISPs bear no liability for illegal file sharing as the content is not hosted on their servers," it added.

Six million people a year are estimated to download files illegally in the UK.
The Department for Culture, Media and Sport said that early drafts of the document had been circulated among stakeholders.
The government proposals were first reported by the Times newspaper.



I dont remember receiving a copy of this folks, what about any of you ?
It seems the UK public is not a "stakeholder" and worse unless your a paid off politician supporting the recording industry they are not entitled to a say in matters.

Whilst I often enjoy the bbc news its clear when it comes to filesharing they dont have a clue regarding what the legal situation is, after all if a big media organisation  cannot differentiate between "downloaders" and "uploaders" what chance has joe public got of understanding the law.
I also had to laugh at this big talk from the government, under existing laws we would see any ISP "detecting downloaders" charged with data protection offences, they cant have it both ways.

Heres the real clincher folks, they make all these sweeping statements regarding copyright infringement etc, but how many paedophiles have they cut off the net this year or banned from using it ?
Thats right folks zero, this surely tells you where the media companies and the governments priorities lie, protecting their wealth takes priority over protecting our children from perverts, why dont they just come clean and say so.


 

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Re: UK Government Talks Tough On Filesharing
« Reply #1 on: February 12, 2008, 07:18:40 pm »
These snippets came from the Guardian Newspaper 12th Feb 08   http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2008/feb/12/piracy.politics1

An industry (record, television and film executives)  that has at every turn bungled and botched its attempts to stem the flood of illegal downloads unleashed since the rise to prominence of Napster at the turn of the century believes it may finally have found a solution.

Four of the biggest ISPs - BT, Tiscali, Orange and Virgin Media - have been in negotiations for around six months to come to a voluntary agreement. But not only do they still remain wary of establishing a precedent in taking responsibility for the actions of their subscribers, but there are sticking points over how disconnections will be enforced and who will arbitrate if a downloader is found to have been piggybacking on a neighbour's wi-fi connection.

Around 95% of traffic at night is believed to be over peer to peer filesharing networks - much of it transferring pirated content. With the huge upsurge in data traffic generated by the popularity of video sites like Joost and the BBC's iPlayer, it is in the ISPs interests to look for ways of freeing up their networks.

And technology has also moved on. Virgin Media acting chief executive Neil Berkett earlier this month spoke of rather disturbingly named "packet sniffing" technology can accurately determine exactly what their customers are downloading.

Aside from the privacy questions of examining just what people are watching and listening to, there is the dilemma of what constitutes an illegally pirated file. Music tracks and recently released Hollywood films may seem pretty straightforward, but what about a BBC programme from the iPlayer that has had its copy protection removed?

Having accepted there is little point in demonising their potential customers by pursuing them through the courts, will pursuing them in this way make them any more amenable to the media giants who have in many cases not yet come up with attractive legal alternatives? And despite improved detection technology, experts say it remains impossible to say with complete certainty that someone is downloading an illegal file, particularly as some traffic over P2P networks remains perfectly legitimate.

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I'm sure the debate will go on...... and on..... and on.....   

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Re: UK Government Talks Tough On Filesharing
« Reply #2 on: February 12, 2008, 09:22:11 pm »
I read an article in the Mail today about it, pretty clear nobody involved in this discussion has any clue wtf they are talking about. Whilst i am not the most technically gifted on these matters, can anyone explain to me how an ISP is intending to police this, i mean how will it be able to tell what its customers are using Bittorrent or any other service to DL, there are plenty of non copyrighted stuff to DL, how can they tell what is and what isnt?

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Re: UK Government Talks Tough On Filesharing
« Reply #3 on: February 13, 2008, 09:24:41 am »
The cartel have no interest in legal or illegal content Nobby, they seek merely to crush any distribution chain they cannot control and monetise.

Theres a newspaper poll here folks where you can vote and show the size of popular opinion on this matter

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/dmpolls/index.html?in_poll_id=20608&in_page_id=711


I also read an interesting article on the matter from the folks over at torrent freak who operate a bi torrent focused news site

http://torrentfreak.com/illegal-downloaders-will-not-face-uk-ban-080212/

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This idea makes as much sense as trying to ban people from singing ‘Happy Birthday’ to each other over the telephone network, or burning down libraries to protect the publishing industry. But what’s frightening about such ideas is that they are still taken seriously all over the world by powerful decision makers in government and industry who have absolutely no clue about how the Internet actually works, or the damage such laws could do to democracy.

Before there is any more discussion about this, the music and film companies need to definitively prove illegal downloads cost them millions of dollars in lost revenues. CD sales are falling because nobody uses them anymore, and Hollywood is in rude health despite the pirates. There should be no more talk about changing laws and spending tax payer’s money on this ‘problem’ until someone proves there really is one.

Furthermore, if there is a problem, tax payers shouldn’t have to pony up in the first place. The content industries need to stop braying at governments to protect inefficient business models and look at the real solution that’s been staring them in the face for ten years.




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Re: UK Government Talks Tough On Filesharing
« Reply #4 on: February 13, 2008, 10:59:21 am »
I think this article sums up my opinion, this is just never going to happen, its totally unworkable:

http://torrentfreak.com/illegal-downloaders-will-not-face-uk-ban-080212/

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Re: UK Government Talks Tough On Filesharing
« Reply #5 on: February 13, 2008, 07:17:46 pm »
I posted that already, but your right its a good read  :D

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