Author Topic: Broken Test Patch Being Handed Out (Read 3136 times)

GhostShip · « **on:** June 15, 2008, 03:14:43 pm »

Folks some time ago Eagle was working on a new filtering patch and took a break when he had to return to his studies, it seems someone has released a copy of the test patch with known bugs in it and added an installer, not only is this already causing problems but its a rather stupid thing to do.

There is no new patch release and we urge you not to install any non-official patches that will crash your WinMx, this is not a joke.
I have been asked to protect the users identity who reported this.

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15:37 ConcernedUser any one know what s going on with mx
15:38 ConcernedUser it seems ppl falling al over the place
15:38 ((¥))³-»']['Å«-¤§F¤ÐVÐ i was just on that topic
15:38 ConcernedUser ohhh all ears
15:38 ((¥))³-»']['Å«-¤§F¤ÐVÐ not the falling part but very much could be isp at gremlin work
15:39 «l|[W/¥\W]_tig|l» this seems to only happen
15:39 ConcernedUser ive seen a new patch going around an as it gets around more and more the more ppl start to fall

15:43 ConcernedUser **PATCH UPDATE***http://www.[Removed].com/download. php?list.9 CLOSE WINMX USE INSTALLER HURRY BACK !

It is in no ones interest to run WinMX with a broken patch, if you have recently updated please revert back to the patch found here.

https://patch.winmxconex.com/

Lets hope those behind this ill though out release stop and think of the damage they are doing and also respect Eagles rights over his work.

tig · « **Reply #1 on:** June 15, 2008, 03:22:53 pm »

Guys I have used this patch. I know what It can do and the problems it can cause because I have tested it some time ago. Please continue with our winmxconnex site patch.

EaglE123 · « **Reply #2 on:** June 15, 2008, 05:22:53 pm »

the patch is a beta version
it should be used by people that want to test it
the update contains an installer of the old version, with some bugs corrected
it doesn't crash winmx -_-

Lagerlout666 · « **Reply #3 on:** June 15, 2008, 07:30:41 pm »

yes it does eventually, it fills the computer up with so many sockets it can no longer accept any more connections and eventually drops. Its worse on primary, you ran it for any length of time?

GhostShip · « **Reply #4 on:** June 15, 2008, 08:42:16 pm »

It seems Eagle isnt aware of why this topic was started, it is already crashing users WinMXs and from my conversation with Eagle earlier it looks like he is also unaware of the bug most of us have experienced when beta testing it.

The second problem is of course one of responsibility, who is distributing this patch and who owns the domain its being shared from, its becoming clear they are not taking steps to inform folks clearly that this is a test/beta patch, it is not yet ready for release, when rather more folks are happy it has no bugs I and the rest of the team here would be happy to hear more about it, with bugs and unknown people behind the operation and distribution chain we have to remain suspicious of motives.

nylly444 · « **Reply #5 on:** June 15, 2008, 10:15:39 pm »

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the update contains an installer of the old version, with some bugs corrected

What bugs are fixed would be nice to know, too bad we don't know what's going on there exactly.
AFAIK EaglE is well aware of the socket problems, has it been assured these are not in fact fixed, or at least might be fixed with this current version being handed out?

All in all a little more communication is what we need here, and not in a public forum but between the main parties involved.
If EaglE has decided to publish it on that site that's his prerogative I guess, but still I'm quite disappointed to have it just appear on there and being notified about it in my update bar... especially since at that point I couldn't be quite sure who was controlling that...

That's something that needs to be rectified IMO - it should be clearly stated who is running what so we as users have the chance to make a choice based on our knowledge of these people - and we as a community can decide what kind of support we might give to any users.

As it is the new beta patch doesn't seem to be usable on a daily basis for windows users, so at this point it should only be run by people wanting to test it - or Linux users, as it works perfectly well under WINE on Linux

All in all if and when the new patch is ready for mass testing I hope we will get a little more information to go with it so people can make a choice based on facts and won't have to resolve to creative guessing.

Bearded Blunder · « **Reply #6 on:** June 16, 2008, 12:50:16 am »

i had a peep at the site --- it says beta clearly enough (presumably you think nobody knows what beta means) -- i also saw the phrase "for people wishing to test" seems a bit of a storm in a teacup to me..

the whole point of a beta test is to flag up & report problems back, that won't happen if nobody tests it.. they also tend not to get fixed if the author set up a bug reporting method which then gets ignored & ppl just bitch elsewhere...

how about instead of rubbishing any effort that doesn't have wmw stamped on it.. you actually decide to be helpful instead.. go there & post a bug report for instance... strangely enough anyone sensible tends to read posted bug reports before installing betas (i do anyhow).. they can't do that if you don't post them there.. & they may not come here first..

Trestor · « **Reply #7 on:** June 16, 2008, 04:30:26 am »

Oh, I don't think Ghostship was rubbishing, he was just warning people that the patch isn't fully sorted, which is important for people like me who are not technically savvy. A few bugs might not be significant to the people here who understand mx intimately, but some of us might have some problems if it were to misbehave. I appreciate the warning and I'd rather wait for a patch to be well sorted before I'd try one.

Bearded Blunder · « **Reply #8 on:** June 16, 2008, 07:00:34 am »

well for the un-savvy for future reference:-

<version number>alpha(or a)<number> =
well dodgy development version.. steer clear unless you know thoroughly what you're about

<version number>beta(o rb)<number> =
testing version.. steer clear unless you know pretty much what you're doing (later betas can be ok, higher the number after beta, safer it's *likely* to be)

<version number>release candidate(or rc)<number> =
should be pretty much sorted, if they get no furthur bug reports the'll release with only version details changed, shouldn't be risky (or not very) to use

<version number> =
public release - should be sorted, may still have a bug or 2, if paranoid steer clear of version 1.0.. 1.0.x or 1.1 likely to fix bugs beta testing missed

GhostShip · « **Reply #9 on:** June 16, 2008, 08:16:27 am »

Being rude and obnoxious again Bearded ?

I would prefer you didn't bother coming here to post if all you plan to do is second guess, attempt to undermine the community and take cheap shots, such activity is rather lame.

Did you bother to read the initial post and any of the subsequent ones ?

1) A user said he and others where crashing using this patch, a patch only installed after someone spammed a few rooms with the address

2) Those already on the beta patch read the information to automatically update, nothing much wrong with that but it would be nice to have known it was just an installer update and the same patch, something not mentioned on the site.

3) The wording you state was there " for those who want to test" was added after my comments not before.

4) The patch has known bugs and Eagle is aware of them, I don't want to further embarrass anyone but I can furnish logs from two months ago and a few days back that provide a conflict to what he is stating above, I don't after all feel its beneficial to post on a site when I know who the programmer is and have contacted him directly.
I and others here including Nylly and Me_Here have spoken to Eagle about the bugs, he has not stated he has fixed the ones we drew to his attention.

I believe your anti-winmxworld agenda is clouding your judgement Bearded, the priority here is the safe and secure operation of the network and its users, it was after all members of this site that started this patch project, hence us knowing the full picture and remaining firmly committed to ensuring the community remains informed.

Bart_Laroc_260 · « **Reply #10 on:** June 16, 2008, 08:36:39 am »

mxpatch.com sight now posts ........... Due to recent activities & accusations it has been decided that neither partys invloved with this site (Eagle & Marty) wish to continue with the project any longer

19:45.GMT - 15/06/08

GhostShip · « **Reply #11 on:** June 16, 2008, 09:39:15 am »

That is unfortunate Bart, if the beta patch had been tested by a select usergroup as before and only released when it was thought to be safe to use this would have been a reasonable effort, the fact this path wasnt taken and information was lacking on what is known to be a serious bug is disappointing.

My advice to other programmers or those editing older program srcs is that if your going to release stuff to the public please make sure it has as few bug as possible and test it thouroughly before doing so, no one wants a disaster or a disappointment.

Mizz · « **Reply #12 on:** June 16, 2008, 09:59:39 am »

How come every time someone has a different view then you you start calling them obnoxious Quicks ? I have made a few enemies in my time on wmw and i dont always agree with what people say but i still feel they deserve the proper respects that you yourself expect from people!

I have never been a friend of bearded and we have been around the block a few times in chat but i think he deserves some respect ! He has a valid point...and i think its pretty disgusting the way you immediatly jump in with your way of talking in order to try and make Bearded out something that he is clearly NOT...shame on you Quicks....SHAME on you...

this whole thing has turned into a sandbox fight....DAMN someone else made a patch...a patch that not to long ago YOU endorsed....a patch that not to long ago YOU wanted to take and use at will as YOU saw fit.....and i should know coze i was there when the whole fking thing blew up in your face remember ? You would have even used it without anyones aproval if you could have ! and NOW you have the nerv to sit there and condemn the patch even before it even got of the ground ? whats next i wonder....are you now going to treat the 2 people that held that site the same way you treated KM ? are you going to endure in your sandbox mentality ? and say this is MY sandbox and no one else can play ?

if you disagree about a release of a patch thats fine....its not about you disagreeying...its how u disagree that sticks in my throat....make them out to be bad people hurting the network on purpose...shame on you and yours Quicks....shame on you and yours....i had hoped you were better then that but i can see now that was an idle hope....now you can start posting and calling me a liar as often as you will....keep in mind however that i was there...i did see....i know what happened....and i will not shut up forever if need be....and as for me taking sides ? i dont need to take sides....i dont use winmx for downloading .....its a chatbox and noting more to me but i will be fked if i sit by and watch you all put good people down simply coze u feel you have that right !

SHAME ON YOU !

Mizz

Lagerlout666 · « **Reply #13 on:** June 16, 2008, 03:18:35 pm »

God diggy damn, its amazing what life a drama brings up. You know whats weird, Ive had a little look since the last time some folks round here posted. The site has been relatively(apart from bearded) drama free. Then a few faces pop up, thier is drama. I can see the recent cull of staff certainly did its job of removing drama queens.

Now as for this patch, it was stated clearly the priority here is the safe and secure operation of the network and its users,
I think that might have been missed so ive made it abit clearer for all to see. Even for the hard of sight i think you would agree.

That patch still has bugs, for idiots to be room spamming its location as anything pratical for day to day use is highly illogical and a warning from one of the main Winmx site's is by far the best place to put it. Now what if i had posted the warning, would i have got such greif as quicks did posting this. Sure he had a pop at bearded but have you seen his last few posts on this site, i could give you a few links that are all him flaming and arguing over DNS's and advice handed out by folks from this site that if im really honest are starting to get on my nerves also. Its really not needed for his penny worth every 5 mins and if im honest bearded i think your taking the piss, if it was down to me i wouldnt put up with it, but as it has been talked about when you give advice, its usually good advice and only periodicaly does it drift off to your own motives.

So yes, all of this thread is now defunct. Development of the patch appears to have ceased, its a shame as it was more than supported by this side of the fence, and considering how much information must have been made available for such a patch, that asking for something back would cause such bitter arguing.

Seems the client developments are looking like the future.

Mizz · « **Reply #14 on:** June 16, 2008, 03:34:49 pm »

call it drama, call it amazing, call it what you will .....as long as it doesnt fit certain peoples ideas of what is truth immediatly there is a label to be put on them...to single them out and make them look bad....god forbid anyone speaks their own mind here...god forbid you disagree with any of the powers that be on this forum or in the chatroom for that matter...your amazed ? well that makes 2 of us i spose....this place has a "your with us or your against us" mentality and it SUCKS !

and as for Quicks ? well im sorry hes getting grief but remember he is a big boy, he can answer for himself and dont need anyone else to do it for him m8....the reason he gets grief is maybe in the way he shows people things ? how he paints others in a bad picture ? did that ever cross your mind...people in glass houses shouldnt throw bricks and he knows this very well...he knew by the way he replied to certain posts he would get grief yet he posted them non the less...no need to hold his hand there.....

Bearded Blunder · « **Reply #15 on:** June 16, 2008, 05:37:45 pm »

i simply described the development cycle of applications as has been the standard prgression that applies to anything for years..

how is defining each stage rude?

how is describing each stage obnoxious?

i'm not involved in that project, i merely provided marty with an installer when he asked in return for his stirling efforts in helping with getting the mxstuff site back up, i believe this is how co-operation works..

the words "for those wishing to test" btw were on that site the very first time i saw it, what i saw was something new under development, in beta testing & i had no agenda other than to return a favour

the spammers? well i wouldn't describe pie as practical for day to day use either, but given quicks' attitude & how this site gets run as a result ppl going round spamming ANY alternative doesn't greatly surprise me, even though i don't engage in such activities myself...

seems to me on looking again that he may have been looking for a new group of testers.. co-operation with *your* "select group" having broken down, something that in his place i would have done too, the project itself seems a worthwhile one...

Lagerlout666 · « **Reply #16 on:** June 16, 2008, 05:58:09 pm »

co-operation from this group from my own takings upon things had been marty handing the patch to us, myself telling him what i found, us chatting for a hour and a few bugs sorted. Unfortunatly though it had all been for me threw marty. Im aware of their being asked for a copy of the source code by a member here, considering that member of staff had provided the information for that work to commence. As you said yourself, something was given, something was asked in return, this is in where the problem as far as im concerned arised. Now i dont know if marty seen this as a go over his head or what but promptly he left WMW, said he didnt want to be involved with the drama to me on MSN before weeks of him being a little grey person in my msn.

Now i dont know if asking for a copy of the source that eagle had said was going to be opensource should really cause so much agro, unless of course their was other motives.

GhostShip · « **Reply #17 on:** June 16, 2008, 07:54:00 pm »

Can I suggest if you don't like my attitude you go elsewhere then Bearded as its really not in anyone's interests to listen to someone who has changed his tune many times on many issues depending who suggests it to him, would you like a list of your hypocrisy or are you finally getting the message that rudeness and personal vendettas will not change a thing here.

Mizz your a nice person and I wish you to convey to Marty that he is welcome to come and post here himself, there is no axe to grind with him, your attacks on me due to you thinking I have issues with your friends help no one, please don't waste your time replying I know folks get angry when they think things are being done wrongly, moving on and communicating is actually the way ahead, I would be most pleased to hear from Marty and perhaps then answers to questions can be had by all involved, its in no ones interests to have sites run by folks who no one knows, let the people know who you are and trust is easily built, this is common sense I'm sure you'll agree.

This is really a small issue for the folks here, we will be happy to see Eagle finish his work and have thanked him many times for undertaking it, but... its common sense that having a public beta of something with a known bug ( or two) being handed out irresponsibly is not in anyone's interest, there is no other side to this, its plain common sense.

GhostShip · « **Reply #18 on:** June 16, 2008, 08:34:36 pm »

Small peice of info for Mizz folks so you can all look away

I have had this patch src for months its Eagles property and is held in trust, please do not make any accusations of any patch releases outside of those you where a party to along with the other supervisors when we all spoke of an open src patch and a vote was taken to allow Marty and Myself to proceed with the project on behalf of the site.

If you disagree with this please show something tangible that shows me doing anything other than I have stated.

Mizz · « **Reply #19 on:** June 16, 2008, 08:44:47 pm »

Quote from: GhostShip on June 16, 2008, 07:54:00 pm

Can I suggest if you don't like my attitude you go elsewhere then Bearded as its really not in anyone's interests to listen to someone who has changed his tune many times on many issues depending who suggests it to him, would you like a list of your hypocrisy or are you finally getting the message that rudeness and personal vendettas will not change a thing here.

Mizz your a nice person and I wish you to convey to Marty that he is welcome to come and post here himself, there is no axe to grind with him, your attacks on me due to you thinking I have issues with your friends help no one, please don't waste your time replying I know folks get angry when they think things are being done wrongly, moving on and communicating is actually the way ahead, I would be most pleased to hear from Marty and perhaps then answers to questions can be had by all involved, its in no ones interests to have sites run by folks who no one knows, let the people know who you are and trust is easily built, this is common sense I'm sure you'll agree.

This is really a small issue for the folks here, we will be happy to see Eagle finish his work and have thanked him many times for undertaking it, but... its common sense that having a public beta of something with a known bug ( or two) being handed out irresponsibly is not in anyone's interest, there is no other side to this, its plain common sense.

:| im sure if marty wants to talk to you he knows where to find you.....asuming he sent me is about as smart as trying to have sex with a hedgehog...difficult and the endresult pretty painfull.....i suggest you stop assuming things...as for me speaking my mind? thats just what im doing ....speaking MY mind, and yes i take offence at good people getting slanderd like this so ofcourse i will open my mouth when i feel there is a need for it...i see you speak your mind freely and last time i checked this was a forum with free speech was it not ? may i suggest to you that instead of asking people to change their tone youi start by giving them an example of the tone that should be spoken ? coze from where im sitting i dont see bearded doing anything wrong and you are being pretty harsh to him on things that happend in the past and not things that he has said now....and no bearded didnt send me either

so dont go making that assumption coze that would be silly seing as bearded and i are not that good friends to begin with...but in all honousty i dont think he has said or done anything wrong in this conversation....yet you jump on him without hesitation....

but here i go again speaking out of turn i spose.....