Author Topic: Winmx Crashing...old fashiond...host file fix is working (Read 10844 times)

..Ñøßß¥.. · « **Reply #20 on:** October 28, 2005, 02:09:57 pm »

The only reason ppl were removed from that "private" forum, was because they made it clear they wished to have no part of the Pie Patch project, and such have no business being there.

And perhaps my question wasnt clear enough, so i will clarify it:

If you are so set on user choice, why is only one of the patch options listed on your homepage??

And please no spin, no change of subject, no flame, no attack, just post an honest answer to an honest Q please.

I already know the answer, but i would like the users on your forum, to see you say it.

the answer is folks, just in case Ghost declines the Q, Winmxworld promote the .dll option, they do not promote the Pie patch.

I have NO issue with this whatsoever in fact i totally understand their position, BUT it seems rather hypocritical to then complain when another site only promotes one solution?

Ps. this is not a flame attempt, i am simply asking a logical Q. And lets be honest, its only fair my Q is answered, youve asked enough yourself.

TheMacDaddy · « **Reply #21 on:** October 28, 2005, 02:18:12 pm »

Almost forgot, for those who would like to see Winmxworld big new "choice" for the users promotion, please see their homepage for links to KM's patch and the Pie patch, Opppss errmm no sorry, only the .dll link.

i am affraid i have only but one word to say about this

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!DITTO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

i see vladds homepage recommends the .dll file loads of times....
oppssss sorry it dont it just tells "Details on Installation of WinMX PIE Patch" which in turn tells you "Step 1: Check if ws2_32.dll is in your WinMX Folder. If it is there, I strongly urge you to delete it (you may need to close winmx to do so)."

i dont see no mention that the problem may be something other then the .dll file ?

so i ask nobby what about the damage this action could cause to people using RCMS or BENDMX or do u just not care so you can get even more people into vladds room????

..Ñøßß¥.. · « **Reply #22 on:** October 28, 2005, 02:29:13 pm »

lol yeah nice one Mac, sidetrack change, do whatever, but Ghost professes he is the supporter of choice for the users, he and others from here have repeatadly critized Vladd44 for not offering both options, so i refer u to my Q again on my previous post.

I wont be sidetracked, i want Ghost to address the issue of choice.

And as for posting DITTO thats what the Q is about Mac, Vladd44 is critiszed for offering NO choice but hey DITTO over here, no choice either and this from those who call for choice? How odd

..Ñøßß¥.. · « **Reply #23 on:** October 28, 2005, 02:29:39 pm »

lol yeah nice one Mac, sidetrack change, do whatever, but Ghost professes he is the supporter of choice for the users, he and others from here have repeatadly critized Vladd44 for not offering both options, so i refer u to my Q again on my previous post.

I wont be sidetracked, i want Ghost to address the issue of choice.

And as for posting DITTO thats what the Q is about Mac, Vladd44 is critiszed for offering NO choice but hey DITTO over here, no choice either and this from those who call for choice? How odd

TheMacDaddy · « **Reply #24 on:** October 28, 2005, 02:39:35 pm »

yeh ditto you dont show the .dll fix as another possible fix on vladds site yet you ask as to why the host file is not shown on this sites homepage?? (a swift look in the mirror might help...or we could all stand in a line and have a pissing contest..)
but i make refrence to the removal of all links to the .dll file on vladds site so as to make them all take you to the hosts file...
did you really think that such an action would go away without someone kicking up a fuss???
and why did vladds site feel the need to do this??????

ummm could it be because team pie themselves feel the .ddl might just be a better soulition to a permeant fix for winmx???
or is it because more people are starting to use the .dll ??
or could it just be the hosts file is now not uite as popular as the .dll file??
well who i am to ask????
oh yeh i am a user of winmx who wishs to have my own views and chose which fix i want and not be forced into using one i dont???

Me Here · « **Reply #25 on:** October 28, 2005, 02:49:00 pm »

Okay as long as we are all asking simple questions Nobby, I have a few also...

Have any of your posts been edited on this site to change your words or actions to indicate that you support anything besides your hosts file fix?

Have the URLs on this site been changed that you or anyone else posts here?

Have any threads or posts we may not agree with been edited or moved or deleted?

Was the Operation PIE forum that we all joined immediately upon invitation made with the sole intension of promoting the pie solution?
We were sold by your own words 'A place where all could discuss the future of WinMX in a neutral environment for the good of MX'. It quickly turned into a pie only discussion, where anything said that was not agreed with resulted in our being banned.

Is our dll link on your homepage?

Is there a link to our site anywhere on Vladds site now?

Here is the simple truth, I myself had no problem with your original post until you got down to the bottom of it...

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And contrary to some flames you will read about Pie Team members "only allowing" users to reconnect using Pie, u will find, the day before yesterday i talked a regular in the Vladd44 channel through a reconnection using KM's .dll method. I hope i wasnt mis-guided.

This was a necessary statement ? This was not fanning the flames?

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You will also note out of respect for some of the nice folks on this site, i wont use a silly Avatar putting down this sites support for a certain connection method, i will also not spam the site with link for Pie Patch and i will not verbally abuse any of the admins here.

Maybe then that statement is not inflammatory either... :roll:

I suggest you take a look at those avatars Nobby and read them..They do not have anything to do with the connection method, they are infact in protest of the ridiculous behavior of deleting, moving, and editing posts.

If you like as I tried to arrange with you once before I would love to put up a link for you for your hosts file. Especially if it would stop this search and destroy mentality that dominates Vladds site.

So, Nobby, Final question
Now your finally willing to reciprocate this gesture? Just a week ago there was no way.

GhostShip · « **Reply #26 on:** October 28, 2005, 02:57:49 pm »

Nobby I have no team of 100 to do my important work here so I have to do it myself to help the users but when I have finished this tutorial to help folks I will answer you fully if you require it.

..Ñøßß¥.. · « **Reply #27 on:** October 28, 2005, 03:04:57 pm »

Ok perhaps im not making this simple enough, so one last go b4 i give it up:

There are 2 major reconnection options for users:

Count that back 1, 2 - there we go, so its 2

If you promote both options to the users, you are promoting choice.

If you only promote 1 of the options you are not promoting choice.

So i will ask one last time, do you at winmxworld promote 1 or 2 options for users to reconnect?

If its 1 then you offer no choice.

if its 2 then you do indeed offer a choice for users and that would no doubt be reflected in the links on your homepage.

Right now you offer only 1, therefore NO choice at all.

Yet your happy to complain at others offering just 1 patch

I have NO issue with sites only promoting the 1 patch, thats up to the site, but that site should be clear to its users, its NOT a site offering choice , its a site promoting only 1 patch along with any agenda that goes with that patch.

There is only really 2 differences of tactic here between the 2 sites, Vladd44 makes no secret it promotes PIE, whereas this sites team CLAIMS to offer their users a choice, which they dont.

Oh and also Vladd44 admins and users dont come over here trying to force Pie on happy and connected Winmxworld .dll users. However if users come to us with connection issues, they will be offered PIE first, as thats the patch we support over there, should a user not wish to use PIE, they are totally welcome to visit here and grab a winmxgroup special promotion .dll, with all the bells and whistles that come with it!

You will note, i havent posted a Pie Link, or made derogitory remarks about the .dll or the admin team here, in fact if you take a look at some of my posts over here, u will note i have on several occasions applauded KMs effort and Ghosts and Mehere abilities also.

I hope u can now read and understand my point Mac, if you ask Ghost, he will tell you i have over the last 4 weeks+ addressed or offered to address any concerns he has had, i have also supported 3rd party efforts to unite both teams, in fact i have made serveral such efforts myself. I dont wish a flame war, just some clarification and honesty from Ghost as to where his true loyalties lay, with the User? or simply focusing on the promotion of the .dll?

Right now, he will have the users over here believe he supports choice, so far the site doesnt reflect that. Odd?

Me Here · « **Reply #28 on:** October 28, 2005, 03:11:04 pm »

Nobby watch...

http://www.vladd44.com/mx/piepatch.php

http://www.vladd44.com/mx/piepatch.php

http://www.vladd44.com/mx/piepatch.php

Now, I know you cant see this from your point of view but I am about to hit the submit button on this post. And guess what.. the url will not be auto changed on this site...
Your posts have not been modified here.
Your posts will not be moved here.

Can you say the same?

..Ñøßß¥.. · « **Reply #29 on:** October 28, 2005, 03:19:37 pm »

Mehere

I do so like you, and i dont wish to fight, but comon, i ask but one simple Q on policy here, based on comment made on Vladds and when all i asked for was a simple answer to a simple Q, i get hit with MORE q's from you?? Do you guys think u have a devine right to hog the Q's comon, i want a simple straight forward answer to a VERY simple Q, i think i have earned the damn right to ask 1 Q and get an answer, i have answered many of yours.

As deleted posts, i cant speak for ALL admins on V44 and would never do so, but from conversations had with some of them, all said they had only deleted doubles and the Huge volumes of Casino post etc that we get, for example in one week we had something in the region of 50+ posts from a casino company, they were all deleted. I have NEVER deleted any post (other than mentioned above) although i have been tempted, i have however moved threads to a forum i felt suited that thread, thats the job of a site admin, i make my choice and no doubt some will disagree, but none were deleted.

Everytime KM posts there is a link to winmxgroup right in his signiture, if u wanna find such a link, do a search for KM's posts, off the top of my head there are quite a few

I really just do not see, why each site cannot chose if they wish to promote both 1 or none of the patches.

GhostShip · « **Reply #30 on:** October 28, 2005, 03:31:15 pm »

There is no excuse you can use Nobby to justify tampering with posts on a forum , deleting is ok if warranted but adulterating them is a low move, any net user will agree.

I know you have been asked to come here and spam our forum in retaliation and to try to disrupt our small teams work, if you wish to play that game lets have the truth on the table, instead of wasting good time on trying to justify the unjustifiable.

You have in this thread seen many links to Vladds site and yet you choose not to follow them so I can only assume your here to be disruptive and you will be treated accordingly .

TheMacDaddy · « **Reply #31 on:** October 28, 2005, 03:33:31 pm »

nobby i have on doubt that as you say you do not delete or sensor posts except for those you yourself admit to
so no we dont show vladds fix on the homepage as you dont show .dll on vladds (there i said it)
so i guess were quits on that one (unless admins of this site with vastly more knowledge wish to change that)
but i do not see anywhere here on this site where a refrence to the pie patch has been chnged to point to the .dll fix only......
you claim to be a team???? surely as a team member you should know what the other team members are doing?
how can you run a good team otherwise?
so a answered your question nobby (and might i add it was my opinion) now please answer mine...why were all refrences to the .dll fix changed???

Me Here · « **Reply #32 on:** October 28, 2005, 03:35:50 pm »

YES we support your rights to choose here.

I cant understand why this is so difficult for you to see..

You can say what you wish about deleting posts Nobby, but if you look through threads its obvious that your own site admins wouldnt be arguing with themselves.. that posts have been deleted.

A site that deletes, moves and reconstructs posts to suit their own needs is attempting to hush the posters, and control the information posted to suit them.

That is censorship, it does not reflect choice or even common descency... Its lame and nothing you say or do to sugar coat it will make it any less lame.

So yes we will NOT be censoring posts, urls, or any other posts made about the hosts file.

The answer to your so simple question is YES, we support your right as a poster here/user of mx to choose.
Our recommendations are beside the point.
As it would seem that you can not see the danger or total disgust that deleting and modifying posts raises..

..Ñøßß¥.. · « **Reply #33 on:** October 28, 2005, 03:43:26 pm »

lmao, ok, i get the message, its ok for you guys to ask Q's Make demands, and threats, flame rooms, put up inaccurate petitions (you had to correct), personally attack other site admins and walk out of goodwilled meetings but when i post a simple Q it goes unanswered:

There you have it Winmxworld users, the management here support only the 1 reconnection option. (check hopepage for proof)

They can no longer sit upon the pedestal of CHOICE, they are now a 1 patch pony, they are just not confessing to it.

I say now, those who wish to DL the .dll heres the place to get it along with the excellent support they offer.

For those who wish to use Piepatch head to vladds site, for the patch and also the excellent support.

at last we finally have some clarity, shame it took me a load of post that went unanswered.

And no Ghost i didnt come here to take up your time, just to help 1 user by filling him in on the situation, but you guys have now helped to show ALL the winmxworld users the nice clear NO CHOICE message!

Me Here · « **Reply #34 on:** October 28, 2005, 04:14:41 pm »

Nobby your not even making sense now...

Your question has been answered at least three times now..

We recommend the Dll however, your posts regarding the pie patch will not be altered or deleted or moved to insure that users wont find them, you posts will not be altered to say you are in full support of something your not

I sit here thinking that maybe the only way you might understand 'whats the big deal with us editing your posts on our site to say go to the pie patch' is if i edit your post to say the following:

Nobby didnt write this we just edited it to make it look like he writes:

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There you have it Vladd44 users, the management there support only the 1 reconnection option. (check hopepage for proof)

They can no longer sit upon the pedestal of Free Speech, they are now a 1 patch pony, they are just not confessing to it.

I say now, those who wish to DL the .dll heres the place to get it along with the excellent support they offer.

For those who wish to use dll head to winmxgroup site, for the patch and also the excellent support.

at last we finally have some clarity, shame it took me a load of post that went unanswered.

You get me yet ?
That is abusive, shamless, and wont be tolerated lightly by any self respecting individuals.

GhostShip · « **Reply #35 on:** October 28, 2005, 04:20:46 pm »

Sorry I have no time just yet to jump for you Nobby.

These links are invisible to Nobby folks

https://www.winmxworld.com/files/hosts_file_98me.exe

https://www.winmxworld.com/files/hosts_file_xp-2k.exe

As listed here and previously on the front page

https://forum.winmxworld.com/viewtopic.php?t=740

Feel free to stamp your lttle foot all you wish Nobby, I have asked you to be patient while I work and you are flaming once again.

Why dont you take a break, plans are in hand to address many of the problems that your team is too top heavy to do anything about, but some time is needed to implement them, the team of a few seem to have to be the ones again to do the work, while 100+ folks seem to do a lot less, perhaps this is the reason why you have time to keep double posting and flaming ?

TheMacDaddy · « **Reply #36 on:** October 28, 2005, 04:27:43 pm »

well nobby i must not be of any importance to you?
i answered you but yet you still do not answer me?
so here one more time....

WHY DID VLADSS SITE CHANGE ALL LINKS TO .DLL TO POINT TO THE TEAM PIE PATCH????

please tell me instead of trying to cover it up by moaning about who's file is on who's homepage.

..Ñøßß¥.. · « **Reply #37 on:** October 28, 2005, 04:33:15 pm »

oh yeah i get u totally, i came here to help a user and make a point, you guys gave me way more than that, u finally gave in and admited to supporting just the 1 patch and offering NO choice, something you have spent some time slating Vladd44 for. So thanks for that, thats now 1 less issue u can flame the forum with.

Ty for your demo, now lets take it to the next step, lets say a few users began posting quite frequently, flames, personal attackes etc etc, would piss you off right? After a little while, u would logically think Hmmm i will move this thread to avoid normal winmx users visiting the site from having to read all this BS, then lets say the flames, personal attacks, constant demands, even threats, petitions, complaints about choice etc etc began flooding your forum almost hourly, what would ya do then?

well the easy answer is for you guys, you dont have to deal with that sort of senario at all, cause users dont come here and show that much rudeness, lucky you!

Me Here · « **Reply #38 on:** October 28, 2005, 04:39:25 pm »

So thats your excuss then editing, deleting and moving users posts that they pissed you off?

Users dont show that much rudeness here Nobby beacuse we are not editing and deleting posts, we are not on a hell bent mission to disrupt a working solution, and we dont post the same message for anyone that even has a hangnail. Folks get personalized help here...

So your right we dont have to put up with petitions, and pissed off users like yall do there..

TheMacDaddy · « **Reply #39 on:** October 28, 2005, 04:41:30 pm »

and still i get no answer.....

oh well guess team pies got something to hide??