Kevin is back?

[ñòóKýçrÕôK]

actually.... azureus can do that.... (no im not advertising... just stating a fact)

Cool   

good idea? use both the nexus blocklist and the winmx one

I went to the nexus website and couldn't find a blocklist. Perhaps you could point me to it. Plus I don't know who controls that list and I'm not so trusting so I want to see what or who it blocks.

also a bad idea; torrent and mx at the same time.... shut off the mx then torrent...

I have no earthly idea why you would say that. I don't download anything but music on mx anyway and given that my isp only gives me 3k/sec to play with anyway if I were on torrent I sure as heck aint downloading on mx too. Winmx has nothing to do in any way with the traffic you'll see on your utorrent and it isn't going to block any connections going on outside of WinMX. Plus I see folks in the room all the time talking about they're dling on torrent while they're on MX. Are we all wrong?

then turn off pg2 before starting the mx......

Again, what difference does it make if I'm only using the winmx blocklist in my pg2 anyway?

....i really doubt hes going to make a winmx 4... probably is laughing at the thought that winmx is still being used.....

I said that, AND you never know, he might be proud to see it's still going

ips are in the cache server if they just want to file suit at random ppl (and laser printers) and why is it primarys get ddosed when a chat list request is issued?......

Tell me again, how many users of WinMX have had suit brought against them?

dont delude yourself or anyone else.... all p2p has risks regardless of protocol or program... its up to the end user to weigh things out to find the lesser of the evils....

I wasn't deluding myself or intending on deluding anyone else. I think that statement of risk goes without saying but I think the risk of unprotected p2p on a torrent client is much more than on WinMX with the precautions that are taken.

btw, its eagles patch.. not winmx.. thats preventing the connections and blocking fakes....

That's why it has that big ole "Thanks EaglE !!!" in the update bar.

(eagles patch makes winmx itself 'seem' safer when standing on its own... its not...)

Again, how many users of WinMX have had suit brought against them?

(in other words... winmx needs a -lot- of work... i dont blame keven for not wanting to make winmx 4)

I don't think anyone who has anything to do with keeping WinMX going blames Kevin for not wanting to either. Too many sideline coaches standing back blasting the game and the players for going with the gameplan they're given and not coming up with a real plan to score.

[White Stripes]

Again, how many users of WinMX have had suit brought against them?

one cease and desist letter was all it took to send the majority to other networks and leave the rest with a (now very retro) client on life support....

the suits if you watch follow whats popular at the time after they learned that going after p2p makers didnt work.... fasttrack, gnutella, now bittorrent... being good examples.... now for the vast majority of winmx users.... the japanese... who knows how many suits have been filed there... http://66.163.168.225/babelfish/translate_url_content?lp=ja_en&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.riaj.or.jp%2Fpiracy%2Fwinmx%2F&.intl=us

dont get much on english speaking sites about the japanese p2p scene....


btw, http://iblocklist.com/list.php?list=nxs23_ipfilterx -- its from nexus23... iblocklist just makes an easier way to autoupdate it with pg2...

when i said turn pg2 off when mx is running (and back on with bt and use more than just the winmx list) is that the wmw list is just for winmx and the other lists are better for torrents..... also... the -entire- whittaker range 'attacks' torrents... not just the slice of it in the wmw list.... so dont use just the wmw list for torrent.... tho granted ive never seen nexus block any mx users ill get flamed for saying that cos it indeed potentially could and mx needs all the help it can get if humpty dumpty is to be put together again....

[']['affy]

what would be nice if it is Kevin is if he could release his source code for mx as i can't see him continuing with it.

[Josh]

Hopefully he does something, although when I did post a comment on the comment section of his torrent site, the comment was removed by the next day...

[White Stripes]

from legal standing it would be best for him to do absolutely nothing with winmx (cease and desist means stop)...

and from a personal standing if i got a letter like he did back in the 'sue the devs' days that i would have trashed the source code the same day i shut the site down.....

[Pri]

According to Torrent Freak the guys behind this Torrent client is not Kevin from WinMX. They claim that in-fact what has happened is Kevin knows the guys who made this Torrent client and simply added the menu bar to give them some publicity. Doesn't look like his coming back. This is from an Email correspondence with Torrent Freak's enigmax

Email:

I already spoke with Tixati about this issue, since some people in the WinMX community
tipped me off about it a few days ago.

The guy from Tixati told me that "the WinMX" guy (who I guess is 'Kevin') is helping
them get on their feet with a link to the website.

cheers

[GhostShip]

Stripes are there any posts of late where your not claiming WinMx is dead or dying, its well know folks are swayed when in doubt by such comments so I,ll only ask you this once are you going to persist in running Mx down ?

I ask this because as you yourself know its userbase has increased in the Japanese sphere on influence and that hardly means any less files for the rest of us, putting people off with repeated negative commentary is very much a self-fulfilling prophecy dont you think.

[Lagerlout666]

I already spoke with Tixati about this issue, since some people in the WinMX community
tipped me off about it a few days ago.

The guy from Tixati told me that "the WinMX" guy (who I guess is 'Kevin') is helping
them get on their feet with a link to the website.

cheers

So why not point it at utorrent or something other. Sounds like someone trying not to get attention brought to him in the fact that it is Kevin. An he doesnt want the heat coming at him. An as for the source code. If he wanted someone to have it. He would of done it by now. Their has been more than enough searching, attempts at contact. An a whole role of bullshit from KM and sabre that they have spoke to him.

He knows where we are anyway. Its not like where hidden or uncontactable if he ever changes his mind, but going of the last few years, it would be better if we continue as we have, and any such talk of the sky falling in stays over at the pirate bay.

[']['affy]

i'd have to agree tiny, best way is to continue with the projects at hand rather than waiting for something to pop up.

[White Stripes]

its userbase has increased in the Japanese sphere on influence and that hardly means any less files for the rest of us

the last successfull download i was able to do over winmx required the assistance of 'google translate'.... i gave up on attempts at downloading (let it run with leechammer in the background) after that since the 'english' incompletes always autofound (if they were still findable) their way into about 200+ in queue... useable on broadband? yes... usable for a dialup user? no.... ironic considering it was the one that worked best on dialup when it was still 'new'....

putting people off with repeated negative commentary is very much a self-fulfilling prophecy dont you think.

its been unusable for me at least since before last mxmas... and other users are leaving fed up with the problems.... fact toward the negative is still fact... i calls it like i sees it...

as for chatting.... i quit doing that as well since i usually have to press 'refresh' at least 2 or 3 times to find the 'moving target' (cant be favorited) rooms i used to go to.... a bit irresponsible of me to do considering the primary i connect to is getting ddosed each time i hit that button.... (i dont want to waste another users bandwidth any more than i would want them to waste mine).... is that negative? a put down? or a practical approach.... in any case it means... practically...  'chat' doesnt work...  so the 'friend to friend' file sharing that you prefer ends up being easier to do over something as simple as an IM client....

searches for files that would be considered 'rare' return null.... i cant help that other than to be the one to share the rare... what happens then is a 56k user with 2 slots open getting massive amounts of broadband users with only one slot open in queue... definitely a 'one sided' affair dont you think? is it selfish of me to want those users to have at least 2 or more available and ditch mxmoni?... and ports are open and forwarded properly and winmx isnt traffic shaped on my end... so search is either not functioning properly or the rare files simply do not exist on the winmx network...

after some very long idling, upload speed saturation, and a somewhat recent reinstall of windows i just gave it up... neither robomx (cant get list cos i dont want to be responsible either directly or indirectly for a ddos) nor the full winmx (no files... of my tastes anyway... 'top 40' is easy to get... but that music is crap to the ears of the lover of the obscure...) are installed...

in a really odd twist i can get winmx to work using KMs dirt old winmx group patch.... but that causes the network more problems.... is that responsible?


boiling all this down.... winmx has become a completely useless and very 'desert like' network to use from the perspective of a dial user who likes really odd music....  that leaves 'friend to friend' falling to IM or if i wanted to get really serious with that approach; nullsoft waste (note; to the guests and other users out there... nullsoft waste is not what one could consider user friendly...) and for the non-drama, no-chat-function, just-files downloads it falls to other p2p methods that do have what im after.... (suffice it to say that even on dialup bittorrent is, to me, mana from the gods)

suggestions? shall i call it quits for good? go on a long vacation and check back in two or 3 (possibly more?) years? {fill in the blank}?

an aside; it will be a very long time... if ever... for broadband to be available in my area.... so please keep the dialup 'physical connection limitations' in consideration for the forseeable future when making suggestions....

[Cobra]

That's a shame, Stripes.

I can understand your leaving if you can't find the files that you want. On the other hand, I have always been a dailup user and the only problem that I have ever had with WinMX was when Frontcode shut down.

[ñòóKýçrÕôK]

I have to agree with Cobra there. I'm on dialup and they do restrict it to an even lesser than 56k connection and the only real problem I've had is Kevin leaving in the first place. To date I don't think there's been but 1 file ever that I couldn't find on here. I use the chat every day and sit in the room all that time and the only time I have any issues there unless my isp resets me and I have to rejoin. And that is only my isp's fault. Not MX. There is a version of MX that does have favorites and you can keep your favorite rooms stored in it. If you choose not to use that version that is only your fault Silver. Fact is if you leave WinMX open and save your room to favs you don't give the cartel but one chance to do any kind of flooding in the way you reffer to. Things are not as bad as you seem to want them to be and tbh noone cares if you have negative fact or positive fact. What seems to me is that you would rather lean on the negative than to accentuate anything positive. Honesty is always the best policy in my opinion but if you wish to be negative all the time at least try to balance it out with something positive too.

[GhostShip]

I think its clear your not happy but that doesnt alwats equate to the doom and gloom your recent posts put across, many tens of thousands of folks are hapily using Winmx as we speak and like you I dont believe in hocus pocus so when I have a problem I look to a solution, a repeatable solution at that and then swear by it for a long time, unfortunately the ground is always shifting and we as users have to move around some of the furniture to obtain the best experience from time to time.

Just how do you propose we gain a larger userbase with by implication a larger selection of files if your not going to help make solutions or positive contributions but merely highlight problems and lets be honest the problems your mentioning are not impacting on everyones experience of WinMX, there is no point stating you dont want to be responsible for a denial of service attack on the network by grabbing a chat listing when thats something going on all the time regardless of what you do.

There is no way in hell anyone here can stop illegal attacks sponsored by US media corporations nor should we try, my advice was for someone to report the offenders inside the US and this activity would halt tomorrow, it is a criminal offence and thus the onus is on the authorities to take action to enforce the law.

The upshot here is that we the users make this network what it is and thus we should all set out in our minds just how we would like it to be and act according to that rationale.

[Joshua203]

in a really odd twist i can get winmx to work using KMs dirt old winmx group patch.... but that causes the network more problems.... is that responsible?

maybe i missed some discussion or maybe i just did not believe it and forgot about it (i simply don t believe everything i read) but what problems would that be exactly?

i've taken the time to un-hostfile myself but i am still on km's b6

more on topic:
i can imagine 3.56 still being in someones vault, if i remember correctly it was close to being released before we went down a week, what i can t imagine is anyone being willing to hand it over (especially not the source) after all this time (nice to believe in miracles but i ld have to see it happen first)
the fact that no one higher up the ranks is willing to try and make some contact tells me that this has always been a waste of time and still is (i wonder if someone concerned about some court order woud get involved in a new project [no i don t believe the "helping out by advertising" in a dead mainbar explanation, dead because there's just a few working winmx versions around that would show the tixati add, i ve seen two sofar, the WMW one before Eagles version and taboo's version], i do believe someone wanting to remain involved in that project anonimous)

and last about the unreadable files.. would n t it be a great step if we could get the point across to the japonese community that sucking in files and resharing them renamed in japonese is a bad idea and gets them cancelled and ignored a lot ( i slap em silly anyway), and if that point is taken well ... we can start about using all the tricks and hacks ...lol

[Lagerlout666]

Unfortunately, contact isnt as simple as you would think. An steps where made but have been either ignored, or unnoticed. At the end of the day he owe's us nothing. An threw fear, court order, or because of the amount of time shame. He has appeared but made no contact. To be honest of course we would like him too. A little hello, thanks for keeping the dream. Even your all a bunch of crazy bastards would be nice. But something has and is keeping him away. An what ever that is doesnt really change anything. Everything here will continue as normal. An kevin if you read this, Hello mate where still keeping the dream.
  So lets all carry on doing what ever it was we was doing, it appears mostly enjoying ourselves. Viva la WinMx

[Stevi]

Just because you cannot get broadband from Cable or a telephone company doesnt mean that you cannot get broadband. Have you looked at Satellite internet?

http://www.hughes.com

[White Stripes]

@joshua; the 'dll lockin' of kms patch caused problems for 3rd party utils and chat servers..

@GS; https://forum.winmxworld.com/index.php?topic=8557.0.html (moved to on topic section)

@Omega; looked into hughes.... waaaaaay out of my price range... also tested it.. the local radioshack was not too long ago connected via hughes... it would work in 'spurts hiccups and creeps' (light clouds that day) and this was just surfing radioshacks own website for parts... i couldnt imagine using it for p2p... (they shape and sometimes outright block p2p anyway)...

---edit addendum---

@joshua;

and last about the unreadable files..

it was 'readable' (japanese language support installed.. but no i cant read it..) but the file i grabbed wasnt english in the first place...

i wasnt aware they were renaming files.... but all things considered it makes sense....

[..Ñøßߥ..]

At the end of the day he owe's us nothing.

Not sure i agree with that, whilst he created a community i do not believe that gave him the right to simply shut it down, the affects on community and friendships were felt by many many people world wide. I have no issue with the guy shutting down under the undoubted pressure he was placed, but no explanation? No 48hr warning for folks to exchange email addys? He may have had certain stipulations placed upon him, but i beleive him to be a very smart person, he could easily have found a way to pass on information to the community, he chose instead to simply yank the power cord and head off without a trace.

[Josh]

Well, seeing as where we are now is this patch community, there is absolutely no reason why Kevin couldn't hand the domain over to WinMXWorld. Yes he was facing legal troubles in Canada, but I'M sure we could find a place for it to be hosted in another Country, where copyright is not an issue. He obviously doesn't want to have anything to do with WinMX, and I don't blame him. Remember he was doing everything by himself, I'M pretty sure he doesn't want it to suck up his time all over again.

[Cobra]

Well, seeing as where we are now is this patch community, there is absolutely no reason why Kevin couldn't hand the domain over to WinMXWorld.

That would be acceptable. *thumbs up*