How Did the Pie Info Team Get It So Wrong ?

[Joshua203]

amazing that if the whole team would leave Sabre would not see the lost useless ego battle and give in ...on the other hand not very suprizing i guess

i think it s allready i BIG step forward to see most of us getting to agree on something for once, this never happened before, not in my memory anyway

@Blitzen you're not asking me i know that but .. i think this stubborn person would not shut down ever (cause that would also be some sort of giving in) ..but if he did shut down we would again loose lots of innocent users (the ones uninformed and unable to find a way to reconnect who  are using his patch) but he would only be able to do that if he 's the only one running ALL their peercaches i think!
on the other  hand if at least one peercache of his would keep running thenn the blinking yellow light story and mainbar would not be as planned anymore either i guess

and the ones using HIS patch well they would always be directed to HIS peercaches, how could we interfere in that?? there's no way i guess... but all this may better be answered by GS himself.. so do nt listen to me LOL

anyway it allready is a BIG achievement i think! GREAT JOB and THUMBS UP to all involved people ..both pie team  and wmw team  members!  

EDITS: some edits for readability

[Savage Blades]

but if he did shut down we would again loose lots of innocent users (the ones uninformed and unable to find a way to reconnect who  are using his patch) but he would only be able to do that if he 's the only one running ALL their peercaches i think!

I think if that was to happen, many would go in search of answers.... and find them..
Connection issues are not new to winmx users

[GhostShip]

The other side of the coin is that they will go away anyway when they get a suit threat through their door and Sabre will still blame everyone else but himself, he is the single biggest threat to the network at this time and I hope those who have the means make him aware of our communial displeasure.

Like KM did at the end of his time here Sabre has already threatened to damage this network rather than help stop the attackers, I,m unable to fathom just why that would be unless he has a hidden motive for allowing such attacks.

[wonderer]

It will going to be difficult for the pie.info team to go against the wishes of Sabre or they will loose their website/forum which is running from Sabres servers if I'm right.

Imho someone is underestimating our teams capabilities to detect and solve attempts to damage the network more than already happens now, so should these threats realy scare us?

[Savage Blades]

I don't think they care if they lose the site, although they have a back-up.
They want what's best, they do want Sabre to be a part of this WinMX history too,
Sabre has provided a valuable service, and is respected by them for that,
but they are happy to leave him behind for the sake of progress, if he can't see the value in moving forward.
They also have been made a fantastic offer to use mxpie.com too.. (as their new site, if needed)
So although "the details" haven't been completely worked out yet,
this is a big YES from them, and they are excited about it !
I mean who needs an outdated forum full of outdated advise anyway,
and so. a new era begins,
one where instead of us fighting amongst ourselves,
we stand united against common enemies.
"Long live WinMX"

[GhostShip]

In support of the Pie info team we will be bringing them into the community system ASAP and they have my thanks and respect for putting the security of all users above any petty drama, Whilst its very disappointing one rogue member has not decided to follow the wishes of a democratic team vote we are all now on the "WinMX" team and I enthuse you all to offer pie info folks any assistance and support they need in the next few days, united we truly do stand, and will remains so.

[Blitzen]

Thats great news and i would like to welcome the pie.info team and thank them for disscusing and listening. How are things going to move on from here or is that all still under discussion ?

[Bluey_412]

We are indeed, we stand ready to help, in any way we can...
theres lots of hard work gone into this already, so a lil bit more wont hurt

[GhostShip]

We are trying to arrange for the logistics to be all taken care of tomorrow as many of the key folks needed for the transition are busy until then with work commitments, but it should be smooth and painless for all involved 

[Bluey_412]

Nice!

[wonderer]

So what I have hoped for but never expected to be, has finally happened. Welcome to the community.

[Blitzen]

Although it is great news regarding the mxpie.info team does it mean the users of the 3.6 patch are also going to be coming over or are they going to be left on Sabres caches and thus still leaving the gate open for the anit p2p brigade, iam assuming the winmx address bar etc will still be under Sabres caches so getting a message to that userbase to update their patch may not be possible ?

[Bluey_412]

its not useful to speculate and second-guess...
be patient, i am sure that all those details will be sorted

[Trestor]

Congratulations to the pie info team for acting in the best interests of the pie members, and to the team here for your success in arguing a good case that has persuaded them to come over.

[Joshua203]

i think that is still a very good question Blitzen, you might want to add to that ..are we now still going to need an updated (pie refusing) dll patch?, i ve replied to this but it looks like i m the only one in this thread that did... and i m just guessing most of the time

..welll uuuhm ...Blades replied to a small portion of my guesses but i too  did expect a  more detailed reply to both your and my posts    

[Pri]

The pie team will have to release a new patch to there users including blocking capability yes. It will be Eagles patch just like we currently use.

[Bluey_412]

it has been an interesting week indeed, Trestor, and yes, thats fairly much whats happening, Pri

There will not be any Pie-refusing function, tho, Joshua, but hosts refusing, mebbe...

[Joshua203]

The pie team will have to release a new patch to there users including blocking capability yes. It will be Eagles patch just like we currently use.

i am happy to read this but still confused, 1+1 = 3? LOL


EDIT:

There will not be any Pie-refusing function, tho, Joshua, but hosts refusing, mebbe...

however this makes a little more sense to me,  still confused though  

[Pri]

The pie team will have to release a new patch to there users including blocking capability yes. It will be Eagles patch just like we currently use.

i am happy to read this but still confused, 1+1 = 3? LOL


EDIT:

There will not be any Pie-refusing function, tho, Joshua, but hosts refusing, mebbe...

however this makes a little more sense to me,  still confused though  

Let me explain. The current community patch and peer cache software was made by Eagle. We intend to give those to the current Pie peer cache hosters so that they can then host new caches at the same IP addresses as before using the Eagle Peercache software which includes blocklist support.

They will then tell their users to update to a new patch which will be the Community Patch (made by Eagle) which also supports the downloading of the blocklists from the aforementioned cache software but their patch will be customized to preference their own peer caches before others within the community patch innitiative. This is the same way that vlad/mxpie.com utilize the community patch they have there own caches and distribute there own patch to their users which is technically identical to ours except it has a built in preference to use their caches before ours. Our patch is the same in that it preferences our caches before Vlad/mxpie.coms but it will use their caches if ours are down.

It is a fair system where all the major parties maintain their own menubar in the top left of winmx, can maintain their own blocklists, have the source code to verify for any reason they want and can maintain and host their own caches including deciding / picking which people they want to have that duty.

I hope that clears it up

[Bluey_412]

yerr

but we can all provide help to each other