Author Topic: Microsoft: 10,000 PCs hit with new XP 0day attack (Read 5553 times)

White Stripes · « **Reply #20 on:** July 03, 2010, 02:29:08 pm »

trim isnt needed for smart SSDs .... i call 'cheap hack' on that one... tho linux supports it as well... or can just use a new filesystem; http://www.linux-mag.com/cache/7345/1.html

as for xp vs 7 .... i'll still take linux over both...

win7 pro oem; 139.99 on amazon
latest version of slackware linux; free

life without WGA; priceless...

...its (among many reasons) why im calling it quits on windows when xp dies its slow death....

everyone has their methods and tools of choice when it comes to computers... theres no such thing as a 'best' one cos the only 'best' one is the one the user likes best... isnt this world of choices great

as for dx10/11 & d2d ... ive got a ps3 for games and cairo is coming along quite nicely...

Pri · « **Reply #21 on:** July 03, 2010, 03:06:02 pm »

To be honest, WGA only affects people on Windows XP. Us on Windows 7 don't notice it. Our windows update is a proper native program and not just a web browser with a plugin installed.

Linux may not have WGA (It doesn't obviously lol) but it does have it's own issues. Usability being the number 1 issue, lack of quality software being the 2nd.

I have a PS3 as-well but DX10/11 and Direct Compute especially are worlds above what a PS3 can output. I game at 2560x1600 100+ FPS with 16xAA and 16xAF - Every one of those settings is impossible on a PS3. And Direct Compute is important for speeding up all manner of work on a PC.

But for some people the PS3 and the XBOX360 is good enough and I can understand that, I just enjoy higher quality. I was gaming at 1600x1200 on PC's years before the XBOX360/PS3 were even announced. And even now these two consoles are usually outputting games at a mere 720i (1280x720 @ 30 frames per second).

GhostShip · « **Reply #22 on:** July 03, 2010, 05:36:21 pm »

It seems pretty clear to me that nearly all of the negatives you have put forward for XP pri are in fact its positives, it works and does not need a whole new computer and tons of expensive new software and utilities to run, we all agree I hope that we should use what we feel comfortable with and for all the hardware concerns you have many are only related to forcing an "upgrade" in the first a place, most are not needed if your not changing the operating system to one with a virtual machine layer as standard.

As I said before I dont need anything fancy to run winmx or any of the programs I use that are free, its a pity MS are too busy looking to make coin instead of creating something revolutionary that will deliver much more for less hardware expense, any poor coder can make bloatware that requires faster hardware.

I will move over to Linux if I have to change O/s rather than fall into the endless treadmill mentality that seems to unite both intel and microsoft executives

~~Blitzen~~ · « **Reply #23 on:** July 03, 2010, 05:46:12 pm »

I tried Linux but just didnt like it compared to microsoft. I can see your point Ghostie but its a sad world we live in were there are so many hackers looking for ways into peoples systems which means we have to use supported products with updates and patches otherwise be left open to threats. XP i feel was a milestone in ms history thats for sure and it will be a while before people walk away from it but alas without support many will move on..........

White Stripes · « **Reply #24 on:** July 03, 2010, 05:58:56 pm »

ps3 does full 1080p (thats 60fps not 30)... xbox mostly can.... and granted not the highest that can be done but... at 1080 the avatar movie and little big planet look pretty good to me... btw, unless your monitor is also using those sync rates you are wasting cycles drawing that fast... (yes i know there are monitors that can do 120hz+ but most folks seem to ignore vsync and just count the fps their game can push out) ... i like playing around on pouet.net every now and again myself

http://www.mydigitallife.info/2009/05/09/windows-7-activation-technologies-wat-to-replace-wga-genuine-advantage/

WGA is built-in from the start... dont need to install it but the separate program to update and patch is nicer than using ie to visit a website... ...unfortunately ie (aka mshtml.dll/trident) is -still- part of the OS ... ugh...

ps... theres no such standard as 720i ... that would be a tweak/hack with powerstrip or custom modeline on X... its 480i (ntsc 60 fields per second) 480p (60 frames per second) 720p (60 frames) 1080i (60 fields) and 1080p (60 frames)....

note: uk 'sdtv' analog is pal at 50i .... i have nothing but text based info on this standard (never even seen a screenshot of the pal signal on a scope)... ive never seen pal or uk hdtv so have little info on those standards...

note2: im using a computer monitor with hdmi connector for my ps3.. not a tv.. so things look a bit clearer than would normally be seen on a tv...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frame_rate#Frame_rates_in_video_games
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High-definition_television

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interlace <-- this one shows images regarding 'fields' .... the frame rate is around 30fps on a 60hz interlaced video but its 'persistence of vision'.. a phenomenon that goes on with the eyes and brain... that puts the image together... there is no actual 'frame' in interlaced video unless the image is perfectly still.. old computers of the 80s that used tv for output halved the picture to ~320x200 to get a pseudo progressive scan image on an interlaced display (else horizontal lines would have flickered like crazy... and it happened to save on video ram...)

yay for spur of the moment history lessons ;P

White Stripes · « **Reply #25 on:** July 03, 2010, 06:08:55 pm »

@blitzen -- considering all the servers running linux 'patching' is part of everyday linux life just as it is with any os... just because microsoft does it automagically for you in windows doesnt mean linux apps dont get patched...

~~Blitzen~~ · « **Reply #26 on:** July 03, 2010, 06:14:49 pm »

I think you misunderstood me mr stripes, i didnt mean Linux was not supported i meant o/s such as Xp will soon become unsupported

I think windows will always be the most popular o/s maybe its the marketing or whatever i do not know but my preference is windows.

One of the first things that made me fall for XP was the lack of "ERROR this program has performed an illegal operation and will now close" from win 98 days it use to be one of the most annoying pain in the ass ..........

Pri · « **Reply #27 on:** July 03, 2010, 06:43:19 pm »

Quote from: Silver Stripes on July 03, 2010, 05:58:56 pm

ps3 does full 1080p (thats 60fps not 30)... xbox mostly can.... and granted not the highest that can be done but... at 1080 the avatar movie and little big planet look pretty good to me... btw, unless your monitor is also using those sync rates you are wasting cycles drawing that fast... (yes i know there are monitors that can do 120hz+ but most folks seem to ignore vsync and just count the fps their game can push out) ... i like playing around on pouet.net every now and again myself

http://www.mydigitallife.info/2009/05/09/windows-7-activation-technologies-wat-to-replace-wga-genuine-advantage/

WGA is built-in from the start... dont need to install it but the separate program to update and patch is nicer than using ie to visit a website... ...unfortunately ie (aka mshtml.dll/trident) is -still- part of the OS ... ugh...

ps... theres no such standard as 720i ... that would be a tweak/hack with powerstrip or custom modeline on X... its 480i (ntsc 60 fields per second) 480p (60 frames per second) 720p (60 frames) 1080i (60 fields) and 1080p (60 frames)....

note: uk 'sdtv' analog is pal at 50i .... i have nothing but text based info on this standard (never even seen a screenshot of the pal signal on a scope)... ive never seen pal or uk hdtv so have little info on those standards...

note2: im using a computer monitor with hdmi connector for my ps3.. not a tv.. so things look a bit clearer than would normally be seen on a tv...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frame_rate#Frame_rates_in_video_games
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High-definition_television

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interlace <-- this one shows images regarding 'fields' .... the frame rate is around 30fps on a 60hz interlaced video but its 'persistence of vision'.. a phenomenon that goes on with the eyes and brain... that puts the image together... there is no actual 'frame' in interlaced video unless the image is perfectly still.. old computers of the 80s that used tv for output halved the picture to ~320x200 to get a pseudo progressive scan image on an interlaced display (else horizontal lines would have flickered like crazy... and it happened to save on video ram...)

yay for spur of the moment history lessons ;P

When I said 720i what I really meant to say was that most PS3 games operate with a 720p resolution of 1280x720 while running at half the FPS. It should be 60 frames instead they operate at 30. I didn't mean to say that the images were interlaced just, I meant to say they were just at a poor frame rate. It is incredibly hard to find any PS3 or XBOX games that actually run at 1080p and in-fact some games have been caught out by people counting the amount of lines in use only to be disappointed that there favorite games didn't even run at 720p in vertical resolution. Halo 3, GTA4 etc for examples of that. And AA/AF on these Consoles is like completely missing entirely.

And I already know about Interlaced vs Progressive, no need for a lesson there, just a simple typo.

@ Ghostship -- Sure if you already have a PC with XP on it that's great. But I often still see people buying the latest PC and installing Windows XP on them. Losing capability, functionality and performance in the process.

Where you say this however "It seems pretty clear to me that nearly all of the negatives you have put forward for XP pri are in fact its positives" I would have to take issue because many of these problems with XP are design flaws that artificially limit its capability. The 32-bit LBA support the lack of GUID parition tables and so forth. These could have been fixed and some were fixed in later Windows releases like Windows Server 2003. These are all obvious problems and are not strengths of the operating system they are weaknesses.

Imagine someone buys that new fancy 3TB drive by Seagate. It's an external drive and we all know how popular those are with users of WinMX or indeed any P2P. If they try and use that on Windows XP they are going to be sorely disappointed. It just won't work.

White Stripes · « **Reply #28 on:** July 03, 2010, 07:10:57 pm »

http://www.fs-driver.org/ theres 2TB (at least... if it has support for the larger one it'll give 32TB)

http://rfsd.sourceforge.net/ (16TB regardless... )

saying 'it just wont work' means you didnt look around good enough...

now burn an audio cd with a 486...

Pri · « **Reply #29 on:** July 03, 2010, 07:20:01 pm »

On your first link it says: Supports GPT disks if the Windows version used also does. Windows XP does not. Which means stuck with MBR again.

And rfsd does not overcome the LBA limitation. Meaning once again back at 2.xTB limits as I said previously.

Maybe you should look harder instead?? Since you said it...

But anyway I don't want to argue about this. I just put my reasons for upgrading and why I think Windows 7 is a good successor. I already had hardware that Windows XP couldn't utilise in 2006. With the work I did back then I needed more than 4GB memory addressing for example. My choices were Windows XP 64-bit which had many driver issues (like the lack of them for one) and Windows Vista. So Windows Vista 64-bit I had to use. And it wasn't that bad to be honest. I upgraded to Windows 7 because it was faster than Windows Vista. Quicker boot times, quicker shutdown times, more stable, used less resources, less hard disk space. In-fact everything Ghost said he wished Microsoft did, they did do with Windows 7. But only when compared to Windows Vista.

Similarly I had to upgrade from Windows Server 2003 to Windows Server 2008 R2 on my Server because of the 4K Sector size issue which is a real pain in the ass.

White Stripes · « **Reply #30 on:** July 03, 2010, 08:08:07 pm »

i find no mention of limit in the reiser driver but the ext2 one ill give you... i did say 'theres 2tb' didnt i?

http://www.zdnet.com/blog/storage/3-and-4-tb-drives-coming-soon/918

apparently no mobos can even boot from these things so ill give ya that win2k3+ (2k3 32bit supports that size) on the windows side is needed but um.... i'll let you debug the first round of firmware for us... (the first 1tb drives were horrid)

connection via usb will work on old linux boxen which could be networked and stuffed behind the desk.... theres one way around that doesnt cost much (old comp w/usb: 5$ at junk sale, linux: free, one really big harddrive hopefully in a fan cooled enclosure; oh.. about $300+...)

id recommend multiple 1tb drives tho... as one commentor on that thread said 'all your eggs in one dumpster'...

--2edits--
oh cute... edit your post while im taking the 'look harder' statement quite seriously to try and find a workaround...

Pri · « **Reply #31 on:** July 03, 2010, 08:28:35 pm »

I take offense to your 'oh cute...' comment.

You told me I didn't look good enough. So when you posted information that didn't fix the issue you thought it did I said maybe you should look harder. Because you insinuated I don't look hard enough when you obviously just Googled something and didn't research it properly I simply repeated your comment back to you. The reason I edited my post is because I genuinely did not want to argue with you which is the reason I added that on. I didn't modify what you saw however before you started formulating your reply. I simply added that I didn't want to argue on the bottom.

You mention a few times about Linux to overcome some of XP's problems but I just wanted to add that the Linux kernel didn't even have 4K sector support until late 2009. Way after Windows Server 2008 R2 shipped for example.

And I get what you're saying about all the eggs in one basket. And I agree 100% with that. But consumers, the people buying these huge drives do not. They gobble these external drives up like they are going out of fashion.

White Stripes · « **Reply #32 on:** July 04, 2010, 01:15:23 am »

then i guess that makes two who are offended.... a seperate post or a note that you edited the previous would have been nice... why? so it doesnt look like you said something you didnt... we arent the only ones reading this conversation after all... and i dont like having words put in my mouth...

and yes, i apologise for offending....

Bluey_412 · « **Reply #33 on:** July 04, 2010, 05:04:03 am »

Guys, bear two things in mind...

1: When XP was first devised, it WAS capable of dealing with all known available hardware, of the day (yeah, someone will knock me down on that one) and the stuff that pri, and others talk of, has come along since... You do need updated support if ur gonna run the updated hardware, but as GS points out, if things remain the same, then things can remain the same

And M$ are still supporting SP3 and will for a while yet...

2: Betcha theres still folks out there running Win 3.1, Win95, Win98, and WinME, and various flavours thereof... Dont write XP off just yet!

White Stripes · « **Reply #34 on:** July 04, 2010, 12:51:49 pm »

the amount running windows 3.1 would probably surprise you... its interestingly still quite useable...

Max™ · « **Reply #35 on:** July 08, 2010, 10:44:09 pm »

Well if we have to change and upgrade from XP, and lets face it, with more problems caused by windows update that break XP they are trying to force us to change,
so be it, i'll change... to Google's operating system when its officially released to the world

White Stripes · « **Reply #36 on:** July 09, 2010, 12:05:26 am »

biggest problem, at least with the denizens of this site, with abandoning windows tho is that while there is the portable 'libtorrent' there is no 'libwpn'

Lagerlout666 · « **Reply #37 on:** July 09, 2010, 11:44:21 am »

for libwpn their is winmx in "wine" often running 200hours + on myserver. unless im doing something with it. been over 400 many times and not a glitch any time

Max™ · « **Reply #38 on:** July 09, 2010, 11:56:24 am »

its ok, i dont do torrents, never have, never want to, im happy on winmx

White Stripes · « **Reply #39 on:** July 09, 2010, 08:46:43 pm »

@max; was moreso comparing that there is a port of torrent (and many other F/OSS equivalents of windows software) where there isnt of winmx... but wine would work...

now whether or not wine works on googles thin-client os is a whole new ball of wax...