Help Needed - Problem Room Host

[Bearded Blunder]

Ghost, i'm not upset at you taking it on yourself to resolve it.. but anyone looking objectively at your posted screenshot, sees the typical way *any* host would deal with a random user arriving & making what apparently look like threats...

I'm glad it's resolved, but i'm also surprised it is.. if this was your approach, it's hardly calculated to engender cooperation, or win any friends.....

[ñòóKýçrÕôK]

Yes Merlin I agree with you, if a user had come in a room I hosted that I didn't recognise and said they were logging the convo and asked that I close a room of mine my first responce would've been deffencive. My point in my post is that this bright young lady has been asked before not to use the server because of the damage it does. I believe she denied using it then also. And then denied using it this time. To me that says that if she is as bright as you say her intentions are clear. If say you yourself Merlin were to slam a door on my foot how many times would I have to say ouch before you realised it was hurting me? That is my point. She was asked before not to use it. It was clearly explained to her why she shouldn't. And yet here again we are. She's doing it again. How bright is that?

[Me Here]

I'd like to put my 2 cents in this convo as well. 

First of all, Lisa has been aware of this problem for months several of us have taken the time to speak with her reasonably some for hours, and have gotten promises, denials, and excuses.  Did i mention for over a month...

Your statement implies that Ghost didn't bother to ask her nicely or be reasonable about this but quite frankly hes been more then reasonable, and this has been going on the room changing names and being told this person hosts that person hosts etc etc.  Lets just say that's frustrating to say the least when such an "intelligent person" keeps this up it would appear they are doing it on purpose.  Its damaging to all of us not just herself.  He did ask for help in getting this problem dealt with and only a few bothered. 

Now that its resolved you want to get involved..

I'm also surprised its resolved but only because I honestly had decided that she must be doing it on purpose, because I have talked to her many times she isnt stupid or hard to make understand things usually, as for this same matter I know full well of two others that have explained this to her as well at least, over a month ago.

The point is arm chair quarterbacks are aggravating especially those that could have called some shots during the game but still choose to sit it out and watch.  So maybe you should hold your judgements since you obviously don't have the full scope of what has transpired in dealing with this situation, and maybe we can just all be glad its resolved and shes finally updated the server.

[ñòóKýçrÕôK]

Best 2 cents ever spent for MX I think 

[Bearded Blunder]

The point is arm chair quarterbacks are aggravating especially those that could have called some shots during the game but still choose to sit it out and watch.  So maybe you should hold your judgements since you obviously don't have the full scope of what has transpired in dealing with this situation, and maybe we can just all be glad its resolved and shes finally updated the server.

Arm chair? maybe i shouldn't have bothered spending *several hours* talking her down from her inclination to run up.. i think it was 10 copies she told me on msn earlier tonight, as a direct result of let us say *a certain party's* heavy-handed approach.. if i'm to be accused of doing nothing by persons who can't be bothered to check if that's the case.. in future it's exactly what i SHALL do

[GhostShip]

Bearded, lets stop acting the goat please, I was fully aware you had an active part in a stirring the pot after the event, as after Lisa had kept her word and upgraded many hours later I received a rude message, the sort Lisa never sends me, who would have painted me in a bad gloss to make her abusive I asked, nice of you to confirm it was yourself.

Your underhand and political gamesmanship is not welcome here.

[Bearded Blunder]

I never intended to stir any pot, my part was soley to try to ensure that she did/had upgrade, if you want me to prove that to be the case, i might just post log of my conversation with her.. ii contains some interesting pastes of you bullying her.. want me to? if i do it won't be on a site you can hide it.. i said nothing in that conversation that wasn't completely true.. i have little time for "men" who bully teenage girls

[Me Here]

Whether you intended to stir the pot or not is really beside the point. 

I can assure you that Lisa was handled with all the delicacies a teenager (or anyone for that matter old, young, or in between) should be handled with for weeks, even after lying to several people about hosting this room.  I'm not sure what planet your on Bearded but on the planet I'm on respect is a two way street.  You act responsibly you get treated as such. 
Reading back through this thread there were many suggestions for dealing with this situation that were far more 'heavy handed' then asking her directly to close the room down, those were of course put aside as, well, too 'heavy handed' after all, we all know this girl your not the only person that does. 

Not to mention there is no doubt that your logs you have 'pasted tidbits she choose to share with you' don't show the many times she was asked to update, told why and what damage it causes everyone and the caches, and helped in every way except actually updating it for her, as nicely as humanly possible by more ppl then just Ghost.  I'm sure she didn't bother to share the times she denied hosting this room either.  So to be perfectly blunt with you I'm not interested in your logs of the matter.  I know perfectly well that Ghost has nothing but the interest of WinMX in mind when dealing with this damage, he knows her and has helped her with other issues many times, and because its for the benefit of us all that ppl don't use those versions of software on WinMX.

I also don't appreciate your jab at insinuating we have anything to hide on the matter and that we had some sinister need to just barbeque someone for no apparent reason and choose a little defenceless girl to pick on.  She was running that room for a long time knowing full well the damage it was causing to other hosts, users, and caches.  I'm not ashamed to admit that I have less then lost respect for her over this ordeal and several others.  If it had been any one else they would have deserved the same as they got.  They were told, explained the issues, helped in every way possible and continued with disregard for anyone but themselves and lying, then they too would be dealt with the same way.

I think your involvement was unnecessary, and a day late & a dollar short, if she did choose to run 10 rooms using that software she would be damaging all of WinMX users in some way and doing it maliciously (which to any reasonable person reading this thread it would already seem she was).  Its clear the situation had been dealt with to every ones satisfaction and she updated and we were all ready to move on.

[Bearded Blunder]

my problem isn't with you LR, as i've *also* been the wrong end of ghost's high handed & patronising approach.. i know what to believe when i see it in action again *from experience* if you don't want people permanently alienated by HIM i strongly suggest you get him to delegate dealing with others to someone with a better attitude

[bu44er]

If this situation as been dealt with do you not think its a good idea to lock or delete this post. I can understand everything from both sides but what i can not understand is that of both parties acting very immature.

[Me Here]

Well as long as we are *clear* of your motives here to nit pick at everything one person does because of past dealings with them, instead of dealing with this situation as it stands.  I dont care if you have an issue with me personally or not, your basically calling me a liar as well and there is an old saying from when i was growing up, if you fight one bean you fight the whole burrito.

I'm telling you that you dont have the full story and you seem to be telling me you dont care or need it, that says to me you've get a vendetta against Ghost and nothing on this earth is going to convince you that he ever spoke to Lisa asking her nicely and explaining things to her about what to do, why its so important and how shes effecting other users and I flat know for a fact that MicroMecca, Tiny, Ghost, Myself and others did just that.

So in a nutshell whether you have a problem with me or not, I'm telling you flat out I have one with your attitude here considering you didnt bother to get involved till the tale end of this, your going by your feelings on the matter based on dealings you've had with Ghost and not facts and the entire dealings everyone's had with Lisa and I'm about sick of it. 

I've been on the receiving end of your sarcastic insinuating remarks plenty of times and im seeing a trend here in how no one could do anything right by *certain users* if they paid someone else to do it for them. 
One more saying comes to mind here corny as it may sound 'let ye who is without sin cast the first stone'. In other words if your such an expert dealing with ppl then why didnt you bother talking to her before now?  Could it be you'd rather not get involved with such matters and would rather sit back and let others deal with it then come in and criticize their actions cause that's easier and safer?

In fact never mind that last question, I already know the answer to that.

For your information Im sick of the fighting, Im sick of the constant scrutinizations coming from ppl who dont bother to get involved in heated topics or problems facing MX and its users and who cant make the tough calls and sit on the fence day in and day out but then (and this is what makes it hard to stomach) have the balls to come in bitching about how it was dealt with.

As far as I'm concerned thats all need be said about the matter, your not convincing me your right and im sure you're not swayed by anything on this earth either.

[Lagerlout666]

Merlin, its has always been aparent to me that you are wanker, you play the big i am claiming you are capable of doing things but i have never seen anthing you have done other than create a installer. We have all visited that room including myself for weeks asking for this user to stop what she is doing, their is a thread outside of your view in section you know about that you once had access to till you showed your true colours, not heavey handedness on anyone's part, you was banned for a just reason and was given access back to this site on the basis you had changed, to me and to many others it is obvious you are still here to try and cause trouble and back stabbing.

As for quicks we have disscussed this topic at great lengh to which nobody else had any effect, if anything you should be thanking him for ridding the network of a basic moron whether teenage or not new that she was causing network problems. id take that as just her age but it wasnt for not knowing what she was doing. She should of been banned of this network long ago but Quicks said lets wait.

Im tired of some of the old school round here still behaving like their is a battle going on, Winmxgroup has long gone, its not going to return. The arguments between Winmworld and Mxpie.com have stopped. Basic harmany has returned and forward development is flying along, yet their is a handfull still playing the games of old. Their is no need anymore, you made your bed long ago and you are a hasbeen. Stay in the Darks of winmx and leave the ones actually working for winmx to do their thing.

[Bearded Blunder]

lady ray.. said right at the outset, i didn't speak to her until it became clear it *was* her, unlike ppl think i *don't* walk round with a room-hash to msn address converter in my pocket....

also i never claimed to be good dealing with people, in fact one of the first things i did was explain to you why i was NOT good with them.. something your medical background gives you a better handle on than most...

being out of the loop completely.. kept completely in the dark BY you makes any accusations of failing to get involved in matters i know nothing of completely ridiculous.....

tiny.. you were looking in a mirror.. not at me..

I've never claimed any abilities.. so saying i boast of any is unjustified.. can't think i've claimed anything besides experience hosting & using winmx.. and (a just possibly justified) understanding of how that installer works...

Did i mention pie? winmxgroup? any of the old shit? i did NOT.. you're the idiot dragging it up..

when people do threaten to REINSTATE a problem, & this is the thanks i get for attempting to help.. it ceases to be a surprise i no longer push in trying to in the routine...

please be advised..  i won't waste my breath again talking ppl out of things you don't or might not like.. & that *specifically* includes anything KM might have planned.. you've shown how my assistance is appreciated.. i wish i'd not bothered & just let her start it back up...

the next thing i WON'T bother.. & i hope it's a doozey..

[GhostShip]

It would be nice for you to point to an example of a something where you did bother recently, as for your cozy relationship with KM thats your business.

[Me Here]

Im perfectly aware of your condition Merlin and its why ive always put up with your attitude but I'm not prepared to let that be a reason for this constant character attacks on your part lately.

Your being 'out of the loop' was by your own choice I know of a few times you were told things going on, and the potential that those things have on Network Operation for the average user and you still choose to sit by and do nothing.  Those that stand for nothing fall for anything.

please be advised..  i won't waste my breath again talking ppl out of things you don't or might not like.. & that *specifically* includes anything KM might have planned.. you've shown how my assistance is appreciated.. i wish i'd not bothered & just let her start it back up...

Please dont make me laugh.. Like you planned on doing anything about any of it anyway? Seriously you expect me to believe that now.  You've been contacted on two occasions now about things KM plans to put the users through in order to make himself the new king again and twice decided to sit by and stay out of it.


Quite frankly if your 'getting involved' means I have to deal with your calling me and the others i listed liars, character assassinations of those that work their asses off and pay out to keep this network afloat and have nothing to gain from it but sweat and tears and putting up with comments such as those made here, then Thank God

There's been plenty of potential doozies that you've not bothered with so I think we'll live.

[Bearded Blunder]

I never plan on doing anything about anything in advance, situations arise & i do what i deem to be appropriate *at that time* .. liike dealing with an msn conversation *i didn't start* that tipped me to lisas identity....

in order for me to do something, the situation *does* need to meet certain critera.. biggest one being that it's not a complete waste of effort.. i can't recall recently being appraised of any issue where any effort i did make wouldn't have been a complete waste of time.. no good asking me to influence where i have no influence.. which is all i can recall being asked to do in a very LONG time...

this situation arose & i tried.. now i wish i hadn't

[Me Here]

Exactly my point!

[GhostShip]

What I find ludicrous about this whole waste of good research time is that I asked the community for help, I posted room addresses, I visited the room and not for the first time, it was only when I was able to prove conclusivley that Lisa was indeed the culprit that I acted, anyone has been able at any stage to take the same action in any way they chose.

Now lets stop wasting yet more time Bearded, you can call me anything you wish if it helps you get by in life, the reality is there are those who talk and those who do, I did, you did not, the logic is not simply implied its a proven fact by your own words.

If you have any more personal attacks to make or names to call then then go play elsewhere, I have no time for folks who once again make their hatred of me something they inflict on the rest of the forums users.

[Bearded Blunder]

Yes indeed you did you also pissed the girl off royally had i not also "did".. your didding would now be undid...

& given the "thanks" i've had for that.. it's hardly amazing i'm also royally pissed.. was suggesting a lighter touch really such a crime.... that was after all all of my intention here

[]-[êll.Ôñ.ËÀR'][']-[.]

As this thread seems to be going nowhere & for the moment the problem seems to have been solved i think its about time it was locked & an end to the fighting here at least.