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« on: November 25, 2005, 06:20:01 pm »
Looks like the big showdown is coming at last  :o  

http://in.today.reuters.com/news/newsArticle.aspx?type=technologyNews&storyID=2005-11-24T200400Z_01_NOOTR_RTRJONC_0_India-224959-1.xml&archived=False

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An Australian court has given file-sharing network Kazaa until Dec. 5 to either filter copyrighted music from its system or shut down, music industry officials said on Thursday.

The imposition of the deadline follows a ruling in September by the judge in Sydney that Kazaa users were breaching copyright and that the network's owners had to modify the software.

Other global peer-to-peer (P2P) services, which distribute data between users instead of relying on a central server, also have come under fire from courts in recent months.

Kazaa's operators, Sharman Networks, had appealed the judgment. But according to music industry trade group IFPI, the Australian court said that to avoid complete shutdown Kazaa must, as a first step, put in place a keyword filter system within 10 days.

Sharman Networks had said it could not control the actions of an estimated 100 million users.


If even a small portion of that 100 million arrive on WinMX,s doorstep we will be smiling heavily for sure, I really dont see how they can resolve this issue, I,m sure Sharman wished that they had no Australian office now as they would have been untouchable by the Australian courts.

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« Reply #1 on: November 26, 2005, 01:13:01 pm »
Just when it was going rather well for the Oz Cartel  :lol:

http://www.slyck.com/news.php?story=1008

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The Australian court ordered two "conclaves." These conclaves were gatherings of technical personnel from Sharman Networks and the ARIA.
The first meeting went very well, and both sides appeared close to coming to an agreement. Sharman Networks' stance on filtering copyrighted material with Audible Magic appeared to be gathering support of the ARIA's technical crew, but not with their lawyer, Mr. Michael Williams.

Distressed in the direction the meeting went and not favoring the Audible Magic solution, Mr. Williams pulled the plug on the second meeting. Quite simply, Mr. Williams ordered the music industry's technical crew to simply not show up. This meeting could have accomplished a tremendous amount, such as organizing Kazaa's filtering technology for the December 5th deadline.

However, Judge Wilcox was infuriated with the Australian music industry for violating the court's order.

Since the music industry did not show up, Judge Wilcox granted Sharman Networks a further stay until late February of 2006. Sharman will still have to work on filtering technology, as per the original ruling, but an amazing technical blunder by the Australian recording industry has prevented the immediate filtration of the FastTrack network.



I think that the Judge has shown a contemptous Australian music industry that his rulings are to be obeyed by all parties involved.
I suppose that this will be rather good news for cash stricken Kazzaa users  the christmas.

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« Reply #2 on: December 04, 2005, 02:59:10 am »
It's still a pretty weak ruling; it just gave Sharman a temporary reprieve, some breathign space. If the judge was really that mad with the music industry he'd throw their case out, impose a fine, something.

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« Reply #3 on: December 04, 2005, 03:05:03 am »
Hmm very true Lysander, my thoughts where that at least it has given folks time to make plans and not have to worry about messing around changing things over xmas, but I agree its just a temporary lull before the storm.

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« Reply #4 on: December 04, 2005, 04:28:00 am »
This is an interesting dance. Installing filters is a dicy proposition; it woudl take Sharman probably about two, maybe three days to install filters; about six hours for everyone to realize what was going on, and then ten minutes to circumvent said filters. The dance then continues, with Sharman trying to out-filter the filter blockers--but, of course, the people who are beating the filters will, and always will, ahve the upper hand. (This is  assuming that Sharman even tries to update their filters, which they certainly won't do if they don't have to; if they can at all get away with it they'll just say "Well, we did our part, see ya RIAA, and by the way I stole your wallet.") This is bad for Sharman Networks, because this could (and in all likelyness will) cause the judge to say "Well, sure, you tried, but it wasn't good enough. Shut down." in actuallity, I think the delay was *bad* for Sharman Networks. If they were clever about it, they could time the filtering so that it went up right before the deadline, claiming that they had to work hard on it in order to make it work, the judge tests it, everythign works fine, Sharman's off the hook. Now however, Sharman has months to implament the filters, and therefore montsh for those filters to get completely obliterated by irate users.

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« Reply #5 on: December 06, 2005, 12:32:22 am »
The seem to be using the "closed door" policy now to not affect the rest of the network  :o

http://www.slyck.com/news.php?story=1015

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Just before the stroke midnight in Sydney, Australia, the Kazaa homepage was altered as expected. Yet there are no pop-ups and no changes to the key word filter. Instead, large red letters appear towards the top of the homepage, warning Australians against the use of Kazaa.  

Attention Users in Australia: To comply with order of the Federal Court of Australia, pending an appeal in February 2006, use of the Kazaa Media Desktop is not permitted by persons in Australia. If you are in Australia, you must not download or use the Kazaa Media Desktop.

Other than the above warning, it does not appear that Sharman Networks has made any changes to the Kazaa client. But to Australian users, a much different story exists. When an individual with an ".au" IP address attempts to reach Kazaa.com, an inhibitive website appears. The website warns users "Important Notice: The download of the Kazaa Media Desktop by users in Australia is not permitted."


I think the Australian recording industry thought they might be able to damage the use of this client software globally, but they have been unsuccessful and this seems a good way for Sharman to take no further action if they so choose.
Maybe in the future they will  move all operations out of Australia and just open the doors again  :lol:

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« Reply #6 on: December 07, 2005, 02:06:54 am »
It seems the australian recording Cartel are not happy with being outmanouvered and are jumping up and down and quoting things Judge Wilcox  said before the Cartel defied one of his orders causing him to allow Sharman to await the febuary appeal, talk about cretins  :roll:

http://www.slyck.com/news.php?story=1016

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The key element of this order between the respondents (Sharman) and the applicants (ARIA) called for agreement to filter unlicensed work. Judge Wilcox stayed this order for a period of two months from September 5th to allow both sides to agree to a successful filtering resolution. The first meeting went well, and it appeared Sharman Networks and the ARIA technical crews were about to settle on the proven "Audible Magic" fingerprinting solution. Judge Wilcox further stayed the order on October 12th, and both sides were given to December 5th to resolve their differences. Unfortunately the last meeting between the two, referred to as a conclave, never took place. The ARIA lawyers pulled out of the meeting at the last moment, which infuriated Judge Wilcox.

Hence, there was no resolution to Order 5. Since the ARIA pulled out of the final meeting, Sharman Networks, perhaps serendipitously, was alleviated from having to abide by the order to filter copyrighted material (but must still work on an effective solution before their February appeal.) In an effort of good faith however, Sharman Networks did abide by Order 4, compliance of which is clearly in their control. The following is Order 4:

4. The infringing respondents be restrained, by themselves, their servants or agents, from authorising Kazaa users to do in Australia any of the infringing acts, in relation to any sound recording of which any of the applicants is the copyright owner, without the licence of the relevant copyright owner.


For those that wish to read the full article please follow the above link as it does get a little confusing otherwise  :)

Lets see what happens next, I cannot see that any other Judge is going to overrule one of their own while awaiting both parties to implement actions that had already been agreed upon.

There is bound to be lots of hot ait from the Australian Carteland its obviously designed to save face as the plan to derail the filtering technology and get Kazzaa closed seems to have backfired and resulted in the laid back febuary date for compliance.
My advice to them is stop thinking you can play games with the law to suit yourselves, you broke the court order not Sharman.

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« Reply #7 on: December 07, 2005, 05:02:00 am »
Interesting. I have a feeling that this will make the less knowledgable Austrailian users really really mad with Sharman, but I suppose they can deal with that. So do you think that they will ever put filtering in on the client now that they're out of trouble with Austrailia?

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« Reply #8 on: December 07, 2005, 07:18:40 am »
Hi Lysander, my personal opinion is no, as this allows them to limit the damage without affecting the global reach of their software, but they have stated they will employ the audilble magic system and so maybe they will and attempt to shore up their legal position in Australia, I wouldnt bother though, its cheaper to leave.

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