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I Know What You Downloaded on BitTorrent…
« on: December 10, 2011, 06:26:17 pm »
http://torrentfreak.com/i-know-what-you-downloaded-on-bittorrent-111210/

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Most people know that BitTorrent is far from anonymous, but seeing all your recent downloads listed on a public website is still quite a revelation. This is exactly what Youhavedownloaded.com does. The developers of the site want to make people aware of the public nature of BitTorrent, and are currently working on a more anonymous version of the leading file-sharing technology.

So what have you downloaded lately?

If you’re not using BitTorrent through a proxy or VPN, there’s a good chance that the rest of the world can see without asking.

YouHaveDownloaded is a new Russian-based service that claims to track about 20 percent of all public BitTorrent downloads. However, they go a step further than just collecting IP-addresses and file-names by exposing all the harvested information to the public on their website.

People who visit the site immediately see their download history, as far as it’s available in the site’s database. In addition, they can also search for files or IP-addresses to find out who’s downloading what. At the time of writing the database has information on 51,274,000 users who together shared 103,200 torrents.

TorrentFreak got in touch with Suren Ter, one of the site’s founders, to find out why they decided to create this spying tool.

“We just want to remind people that the Internet is not a place to expect privacy,” he says. “Nowadays many people use it without understanding what information they leave behind. Also, even those who understand choose to ignore it quite often.”

The Russian developers created the site partly as a wake-up call. Those who don’t want this kind of information to be public should take steps to anonymize their traffic, and do that right. This message is also reflected in the site’s ‘privacy policy‘.

“Baby, this is the Internet. There is no such thing as privacy around here. You are sitting in the privacy of your own house, clicking links, reading stuff, watching movies. It may seem like you are pretty much alone, but smart nerds are watching you. They watch your every move. You are not human to them. You are a target — a consumer,” it reads.

Jokes aside, the site does indeed make people aware of the public nature of BitTorrent, something that can’t be stressed enough. Of course not everyone will be happy to see that their information is being exposed, so the developers also offer an option to de-list an IP-address.

Apart from exposing download habits the developers are also considering the creation of a more private file-sharing protocol. They already have a theoretical concept based on Bitcoin’s technology, but a workable piece of software is still very far away.

“The general idea is similar to what Bitcoin does. The key is to have an anonymous and reliable identity for each peer, and a Bitcoin-like signature chain algorithm will help,” Suren said.

The developers are currently trying to find out how viable their idea is, and then they’ll decide whether they should continue working on it or not. For now, they’ll keep on tracking dozens of millions of downloaders, for all the world to see.

Well we always knew this was happening, either way that's some scary stuff :o

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Re: I Know What You Downloaded on BitTorrent…
« Reply #1 on: December 11, 2011, 12:12:18 am »
Not surprising due to how clueless some people are about bittorent. But those that have the "in" and are on private trackers (not demonoid), but trackers that have admission requirements (knowledge of spectral graphs and detecting transcodes and bitrates, flac, etc. for what.cd) or trackers that require you to know someone and them to invite you have a highly less chance of this happening, and they also have a more detailed and dense collection of content.

Obviously using thepiratebay you're probably going to show up on this website, and you're also susceptible to fake files and who knows what else.

However, we can't overlook the fact that the same thing has been happening on the WinMX network for years (just not in public form), as the search bots that go down a list of artists/songs searching for results, and every one of those search results has the ip address of the person sharing that file. The last time I checked they were up to date on artists as back in 2010 or so I did see lady gaga in there lol.

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Re: I Know What You Downloaded on BitTorrent…
« Reply #2 on: December 11, 2011, 06:38:36 am »
Same old song when faced with the facts eh Josh ?

Indeed data mining has been going on since the attacks started both by yourself as well and the attacker and the cartel, as your aware we used to block most of those media disruptor generated searches as well as the fake files from appearing in folks searches something that's impossible using bit torrent, as for having private trackers where no one works for the media organisations that's a hopeful myth as there are many proofs around showing how all private trackers have been infiltrated by the cartel, how soon you forget the media defender hack where hackers stole the logins to hundreds of torrent sites used by MD , if you think they are not on those sites when memberships are traded over at places like slycks your deluding yourself.

Feel free to come back with further claims but before you do show me a single case from the last few years of winmx folks being sued, I am willing to post the same for bit torrent and it runs into hundreds of thousands if not millions, this is why your scare mongering is both deceitful and wrong.

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Re: I Know What You Downloaded on BitTorrent…
« Reply #3 on: December 11, 2011, 08:12:13 am »
Indeed data mining has been going on since the attacks started...

Seems you're twisting my words yet again...

Data mining has been going on for years as I said in my original post above. It has nothing to do with the specific time period after the attacks have been going on. And I never made any claims about which is most likely to get you sued, my main point of discussion was the fact that WinMX is not any more safe in regards to the cartel having the ability to see who is behind what file is being shared if they wished to do so.

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Re: I Know What You Downloaded on BitTorrent…
« Reply #4 on: December 11, 2011, 08:29:42 am »
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as for having private trackers where no one works for the media organisations that's a hopeful myth as there are many proofs around showing how all private trackers have been infiltrated by the cartel

...when i read what josh posted i wasnt going to get into the 'private vs public' tracker 'debate' as often happens on TF in the comment section...

but .. er... yeah... public tracker, private tracker, vpn, no vpn, DHT, no DHT.... ....and yes even non-torrent networks.... if they want you they can find you...

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Re: I Know What You Downloaded on BitTorrent…
« Reply #5 on: December 11, 2011, 06:05:36 pm »
indeed strips           
problem with bt is the client shows your ip which can be havest without any tools to circlevent incryption and to set up a client most people just use the deflaut settings which that inits self helps the mpaa/riaa as its sety up for public trackers/magnets

as for mx we all no its ip hidden and its  primary to seconadry  user which hides ip further so without brakeing  mx incryption to revirse to show ip mpaa // riaa would be braking the law indoing so  Which is why no one been taken to court

so just for saying  what would happen if mx be same as bittorrent showing ips ?
 a}  there be mx users in court


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Re: I Know What You Downloaded on BitTorrent…
« Reply #6 on: December 11, 2011, 06:13:52 pm »
primary ips are encoded... not hidden.. (do a whois.. the ip is in the titlebar of that window)

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Re: I Know What You Downloaded on BitTorrent…
« Reply #7 on: December 11, 2011, 06:38:52 pm »
Please all take note Josh did not respond by showing anyone on WinMX who had been prosecuted and that is I feel the key to this matter, comparing a known way to get sued with one where people do not and calling them similar is misleading folks in a major way.


 @Stripes:
What Ace was suggesting is that by using secondary your not as visible on the network due to the two tier nature of the searching etc requests being made by the primary client, it stands to reason the primary client will always be visible and yet deliver some deniability to the secondary user as the primary can say those results are for any IP, if you remember the old days where folks would see phantom shares that that particular user did not hold, its this deniability some folks have seen as viable protection.

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Re: I Know What You Downloaded on BitTorrent…
« Reply #8 on: December 11, 2011, 11:32:02 pm »
as for mx we all no its ip hidden and its  primary to seconadry  user which hides ip further so without brakeing  mx incryption to revirse to show ip mpaa // riaa would be braking the law indoing so  Which is why no one been taken to court

Using this logic then WinMXWorld and anyone distributing software that is "breaking" the wpn encryption (think the archive or the patch website) is breaking the law just the same. However which law are you referring to specifically ace?

And I have showed you time and time again that the ip address in each search result packet, whether the person sharing that file is on secondary or primary is included in that packet. As that ip address is needed for the ping feature on the official WinMX client. There are also modded patches that GhostShip does possess that reveal these ip addresses in the username slot on the search result window as he used them to find the ip range of the the fake file flooders. He too must be breaking the law?


Please all take note Josh did not respond by showing anyone on WinMX who had been prosecuted and that is I feel the key to this matter, comparing a known way to get sued with one where people do not and calling them similar is misleading folks in a major way.

I do not respond to questions that have no merit in this discussion about the ability of someone seeing which ip address is behind every file received in search results, nor do I respond to fabricated questions like these that you already know the answer to but are shelling out in order to further your agenda of making everyone but yourself look like an idiot.

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Re: I Know What You Downloaded on BitTorrent…
« Reply #9 on: December 12, 2011, 12:44:34 am »
I think its clear who is the idiot, the guy who scaremongers and fails to deliver facts when challenged over his claims.

There are many folks on winmx and they dont all agree with me all of the time but they are able to rationalise the difference between fact and fiction, thus they dont make false claims and I dont have to point out any flaws in the said claims. you however are not one of those folks.




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Re: I Know What You Downloaded on BitTorrent…
« Reply #10 on: December 12, 2011, 01:15:03 am »
I think its clear who is the idiot, the guy who scaremongers and fails to deliver facts when challenged over his claims.

I never once made such any claims in this thread that using WinMX is just as likely to get you sued as torrent users are, nor do I have to present facts to prove something I never claimed in the first place.

I made a claim that it is possible to reveal the person (ip address) behind the files being shared through search results on this network, which coincides directly with the ability to see who is seeding what with a torrent tracker. And I never implied any of these FACTS as being a form of scare tactic. However if you do want proof of the claim I actually have made, I'm sure you can look in your protocol documentation, or I can provide a copy for you, or a working example as I have done in the past to reveal who the person harassing sharon with a mass of fake chat rooms was.


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Re: I Know What You Downloaded on BitTorrent…
« Reply #11 on: December 12, 2011, 01:35:46 am »
Sharon ? Fake chat rooms ?

It seems theres something you know about that I dont maybe you should share the gossip, lets hear what you have to say.

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Re: I Know What You Downloaded on BitTorrent…
« Reply #12 on: December 12, 2011, 01:43:20 am »
Sharon ? Fake chat rooms ?

It seems theres something you know about that I dont maybe you should share the gossip, lets hear what you have to say.

So is that a yes to me providing a copy of the protocol documentation to prove my claims?

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Re: I Know What You Downloaded on BitTorrent…
« Reply #13 on: December 12, 2011, 01:48:57 am »
And as for the sharon and fake rooms I'm sure someone here remembers when this happened over a year ago, that can jog your memory. Or perhaps some of these threads about it can.

https://forum.winmxworld.com/index.php?topic=9542.msg56658.html#msg56658
https://forum.winmxworld.com/index.php?topic=9551.msg56697.html#msg56697

I don't seem to have saved the sharonspammer webpage when I changed to wordpress, but I'm sure I can dig it up.

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Re: I Know What You Downloaded on BitTorrent…
« Reply #14 on: December 12, 2011, 03:36:39 am »
Josh are you for real with your drama seeking words above ? I'll be happy when you get a job instead of offering to help the cartel as KM has done. what will that prove to me, little I assure you as I already know whats possible and why.

On the other turn of the coin helping folks is always good both for your own karma and the respect of others, it does aid in balancing up some of the things you have done in the past that where seen afterwards as mistakes, you have moved on from being the child you where and are starting to sound like a young man looking ahead, if that's the case then remember its xmas and the time of goodwill and continue to do further good deeds, they are never forgotten by the community even if they are not directly noticed by me.




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Re: I Know What You Downloaded on BitTorrent…
« Reply #15 on: December 12, 2011, 04:08:36 am »
So you're not willing to confirm the facts I have brought forward?

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« Reply #16 on: December 12, 2011, 07:05:57 am »
My word what a foot stamper you are Josh, you really do think others have nothing to do but have to spend time putting things in perspective and context after you repeatedly attempt scaremongering ?

You have been noticed many times scanning the network for secondaries despite claiming that your just running a primary based chat room lister, just because no one jumps down your throat its simply just self delusional to think your activities are not seen and noted, in march or so I made an announcement stating that with the attacks under way its near impossible to protect the network in the way it was being done prior to the attacks, thus you may well be seeing all sorts of traffic but that's not to say that traffic hasn't been monitored and blocked at various times that it has come to our attention, we have the capability to monitor not just search results but most other types of network probing of the sort you mention, there are public conversations around the forums where proof has been shown we blocked bot searches for drive letters so its not a suprise to anyone who is a regular whats done on their behalf and its not really a secret to you so what are you really wanting to do here Josh ?,  a KM and show off some more of the current protocol to abusers because you have moved on to bit torrent ?

Make your point if you have one as I grow bored of reading the same old character attacks from yourself, how soon you forget those who aided you though the times when no one else wished to help you because of your wild ways, you really do embarrass me with your "new" mr clean attitude.

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Re: I Know What You Downloaded on BitTorrent…
« Reply #17 on: December 12, 2011, 07:17:36 am »
Perhaps if you simply addressed the only claim I made in this thread when I asked three or four posts ago instead of side stepping it you would not have had to spend 15 minutes writing up that wordy unnecessary reply or the reply before that or the one before that...

The truth of the matter is you're wasting your own time by simply ignoring what I am asking and then blaming me for wanting you to actually answer the question.

As I will point out again, GhostShip has added in even more fluff to cover up my original claim that it is indeed possible to reveal the ip address of the person sharing a file through simple search results.

Can you simply confirm that this in indeed a fact as I have said from my original post here and stop with all of the tacked on bullshit to cover it up or are you incapable of doing so?

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Re: I Know What You Downloaded on BitTorrent…
« Reply #18 on: December 12, 2011, 07:31:59 am »
Stampy stampy  :/

I may answer your question Josh but not before we finalise one point, this is at least the 5th time I have had to deal with your BT fanboi efforts, you have been warned more than once not to derail all topics that mention bit torrent or even other topics you have derailed that dont, how many times do you think we should allow such derailing and off topic discussions ?

For those of you who may be feeling sorry for Josh as I am adult and hes a young man please bear in mind this is one of the people who knew who was behind the original attacks on the network and didnt act to tell anyone till he was suspected himself due to the nature of the specialised knowledge the attacks required, so yes I am rather firm with him and for many a good reason.

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Re: I Know What You Downloaded on BitTorrent…
« Reply #19 on: December 12, 2011, 07:38:06 am »
So are you going to confirm the facts I present or not?

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