Author Topic: New Client (Read 120843 times)

~~FULLER~~ · « **Reply #120 on:** April 28, 2014, 05:40:29 pm »

Quote from: silicon_toad2000 on April 27, 2014, 09:27:45 pm

I deleted the post. It was obnoxious and threatening and had no place here.

If you want to make a point about your disappointment that's fine, but I won't have posts here threatening to continue spamming if your account gets banned.

Well you proved my point, the post may have been obnoxious
but it certainly was not threatening.

Thanks for admitting that you dont like the truth

GhostShip · « **Reply #121 on:** April 28, 2014, 06:44:03 pm »

No point has been proved Fuller, it might not be obvious to you but I for one am not psychic and haven't read your post along with many others so how is it then possible to claim your point is proved ?

I need to make a real point here however, you have signed up here recently and have so far brought nothing to the table and in fact wasted my time when I'm one of those trying to bring the new client to you at some time in the future, do you not have the common sense to see that your attitude and your actions are part of the reason why the client is late ?

I spoke with Silicon regarding your lost post and what became clear was that you had nothing to say about the community , nothing to say about the new client being a good bad or ugly idea, not even a complaint about what features are or are not in it .. No, you simply made your post threatening to spam this forum like a parasite if wmw didn't let you stamp your childish foot in public, so having now made your point or not it seems how about going away and coming back when you have reached the age of maturity, I have all the time in the world for real winmxers who might feel let down and a bit upset that things might be delayed but they have been through the mill along with us and suffered the last few years, you have no excuse and no reason to be rude, have a nice day but please stop wasting my time and being abusive, you have earned no rights to do so here.

~~FULLER~~ · « **Reply #122 on:** April 28, 2014, 07:52:04 pm »

So now I am to blame for the client being late.

You lot on here really are pathetic.

Now get off your lazy ass and deliver what you have promised for 3 YEARS

silicon_toad2000 · « **Reply #123 on:** April 28, 2014, 09:26:32 pm »

don't worry fuller, we're docking their pay for every day it's late
I'm sure there are penalty clauses in their contracts

oh wait, that's right, they're not getting paid, there's no agreement, or contract.
I wonder why they're doing this? what do you think fuller?

GhostShip · « **Reply #124 on:** April 28, 2014, 09:29:41 pm »

Yes you are to blame as its clear you are simply one of a number of time wasting trolls encountered during the development and have nothing to do besides waste the time of the volunteers here, the funny thing is in all this is that I can continue my work regardless of what you want.and thats what I intend to do , it is however a shame that folks like yourself make it harder for the real network users to speak to the development group, I am the only one who reads this forum on their behalf so whilst you may have wasted my time they wont have read a word you posted.

I shall ignore any further posts from you Fuller, others are still free to ask client related questions and will of course receive my full attention.

~~FULLER~~ · « **Reply #125 on:** April 29, 2014, 08:04:52 pm »

Quote from: GhostShip on April 28, 2014, 09:29:41 pm

Yes you are to blame as its clear you are simply one of a number of time wasting trolls encountered during the development and have nothing to do besides waste the time of the volunteers here, the funny thing is in all this is that I can continue my work regardless of what you want.and thats what I intend to do , it is however a shame that folks like yourself make it harder for the real network users to speak to the development group, I am the only one who reads this forum on their behalf so whilst you may have wasted my time they wont have read a word you posted.

I shall ignore any further posts from you Fuller, others are still free to ask client related questions and will of course receive my full attention.

You are deluded, development group my arse

White Stripes · « **Reply #126 on:** April 29, 2014, 10:50:11 pm »

please quit arguing... it doesnt do any good... trust me i know from first hand experience

nismo528 · « **Reply #127 on:** May 05, 2014, 12:00:37 am »

can we get the beta put back up for download, or at least post it somewhere else so it is available?

silicon_toad2000 · « **Reply #128 on:** May 05, 2014, 03:04:26 am »

I'll get it up on the ourmxworld site. We were hoping to get a new release out, but I understand one of the key devs has had a lot of work on and hasn't been able to tie it in.

jazst · « **Reply #129 on:** May 09, 2014, 08:44:27 pm »

I'm not a programmer so I don't know much about running projects like OurMX.
I do wonder why isn't the code open sourced so more people can work on it. Would it make the work of core developers more difficult? Do you think developers of WinMX would try to sabotage it?
In my observation people in chat rooms seem to be a bit dismissive of OurMX due to it being closed source and probably even more because there's no visible progress.

I understand the lack of time developers have and I applaud their work.
I however do have some criticism about supporting activities. After beta was released the only site/forum distributing OurMX went offline ... excuse me, but keeping single forum online is a trivial task. After site came back (on different domain) it lacks download of OurMX beta. Links to the download here are still showing previous address ... communication about OurMX was forced mostly to the other forum which as I mentioned went offline.
I understand a wish to have centralized communication, but due to community being here, wouldn't it be simpler to have forum for discussions here and distribute it simply by putting software on one of distribution sites like wetransfer? I admit I don't know about history of WinMX so there might be historical reasons preventing it.
Also I advise editing 1st post here repeatedly to cover all the news.

I hope I didn't hurt anyones feelings with my criticism, I appreciate everyones efforts in this and I think pointing out what could be done better might help smooth the following releases.

Also I've read that help is wanted and there is a task list, but I fail to find it. I'd really appreciate if someone can point me to the correct thread so I can see if i can be of any assistance.

P.S. this silly 5 step verification before one can post is really beyond annoying.

silicon_toad2000 · « **Reply #130 on:** May 09, 2014, 11:09:46 pm »

A lot of your questions have been answered through the thread, but it's a heck of a long read full of a lot of people trying to get it off track and troll so I'll do my best to help out.

The code isn't open source as the winmx protocol is full of security holes, hence the issues the network has now. The new client is initially backwards compatible and so some of those security holes will be carried over in the first stage. Open sourcing the project will make it much easier for any attackers to figure out any vulnerabilities.

Supporting activities are down to me and my own lack of ability and time. The smart people are working on the client. I'll correct a little as you have the story screwed up. The client was distributed on the ourmx.net domain. There was no forum there or anything at all, just the file. The forum has always been at ourmxworld.net which went down when i broke it trying to reconfigure the server and took me some time to sort it out again.

This forum is for the support of winmx, ourmxworld was created to support ourmx.

Well you haven't hurt my feelings and i doubt you've hurt anyone else's feelings. I'm the first to admin as far as servers and hosting goes I haven't a clue what I'm doing, but I choose to muddle ahead anyway with the help of people in the community. The advice and help of people in the community really goes to show that anything is possible. Before building ourxmworld, I hadn't a clue about any of it. The willingness of people in the community to take time and explain things and help people learn is a real testament to what I have come to love about them and most of the reason I have stuck it out here despite the trolls, attacks and just plain rude people we come across.

The list of things to help out the community was posted here https://forum.winmxworld.com/index.php?topic=12873.msg72852#msg72852 .

The verification is just something that has to be done, the volume of bots trying to post about this seasons snow blowers or the latest whatever is mind blowing. I can't imagine how much bandwidth could be free'd up globally and how much energy could be saved if these spambots and spam emailers ceased.

White Stripes · « **Reply #131 on:** May 10, 2014, 02:13:03 am »

Quote

the winmx protocol is full of security holes

isnt winmx a 2nd generation p2p app? napster being 1st generation..

silicon_toad2000 · « **Reply #132 on:** May 10, 2014, 02:38:08 am »

i understand the first versions of winmx were nap clients only, wasn't the wpn only begun in version2 something or other?

GhostShip · « **Reply #133 on:** May 10, 2014, 11:26:40 am »

I would like to add a small note here in response to Jazst's post :

The OurMx project will be open-sourced when it no longer uses the current primary protocol implementation, there are specific areas that will require either modifying or replacing and it would be irresponsible to release it as -is as open src with tens of thousands of existing hard coded WinMx clients open to potential abuse given the information contained in the OurMx src, we do have rolling plans to make the important changes and some areas have already been closed to attacks but further work is necessary.

The main area of concern is within the primary TCP networking, when we are happy that each client will defend both itself and its neighbours from passing bad traffic we will be happy to release all of the code on a suitable release platform, I like src forge myself but others have other ideas.

jazst · « **Reply #134 on:** May 10, 2014, 05:30:41 pm »

Thank you silicon_toad2000 and GhostShip for your extensive answers.

My apologies for missing the already provided answers in this thread.

~~FULLER~~ · « **Reply #135 on:** May 10, 2014, 05:45:36 pm »

All we need to know now is which millenium the new client will be finished

ONLY JOKING

Plum · « **Reply #136 on:** May 12, 2014, 04:21:37 pm »

Quote from: FULLER on May 10, 2014, 05:45:36 pm

All we need to know now is which millenium the new client will be finished

ONLY JOKING

That sounds more like the ReactOS project. It is maybe 14 years old and still not beta.

~~FULLER~~ · « **Reply #137 on:** May 13, 2014, 08:57:08 am »

Quote from: Plum on May 12, 2014, 04:21:37 pm

Quote from: FULLER on May 10, 2014, 05:45:36 pm
All we need to know now is which millenium the new client will be finished

ONLY JOKING

That sounds more like the ReactOS project. It is maybe 14 years old and still not beta.

I wouldnt be suprised if this client never happens.

GhostShip · « **Reply #138 on:** May 13, 2014, 10:04:29 am »

You mean if the update never happens ?

The client base has already appeared as beta 1 and can be found following the links off the front of the forum.

For beta 2 we had a rather extensive list of bugs to cover and some of those required an expert level coder, thankfully we have such a chap however like most valuable things he is in massive demand from his real life job, whilst he is fixing that version I have been ploughing ahead with the open nap side of things for beta 3, by beta 4 we hope to be able to make serious changes to the primary networking operation and then be back to normal, no doubt we will have to engage in a running battle with some low life attackers but we are no longer locked in stone so if such an attacker turns up they will have to work pretty fast to keep up with the potentially limitless amount of client updates, thats the path we are following and I can boast we have never not delivered, slow perhaps but what I have said will turn up always has done.

Pri · « **Reply #139 on:** May 14, 2014, 01:57:41 am »

Those of you posting negatively really need to stop. These unpaid volunteers do not owe you a single thing and the level of self entitlement being shown here is ridiculous.

Some of you really need to start showing some empathy towards others, just because we appear here as blocks of text does not mean there isn't a person on the other side of the screen reading what you're saying and being affected by it.

Encourage those who seek to better our position, don't mock them or their attempts.