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Offline GhostShip

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US Closing Net On Free Speech ?
« on: May 29, 2006, 01:05:03 pm »
Folks in the US should keep a very close eye on allowing legislation to pass that allows the spying on citizens without legal oversight or court order, you have been warned.

http://news.zdnet.com/2100-1009_22-6077654.html?tag=zdfd.newsfeed

U.S. Attorney General Alberto Gonzales and FBI Director Robert Mueller on Friday urged telecommunications officials to record their customers' Internet activities, CNET News.com has learned.

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In a private meeting with industry representatives, Gonzales, Mueller and other senior members of the Justice Department said Internet service providers should retain subscriber information and network data for two years, according to two sources familiar with the discussion who spoke on condition of anonymity.

The closed-door meeting at the Justice Department, which Gonzales had requested, according to the sources, comes as the idea of legally mandated data retention has become popular on Capitol Hill and inside the Bush administration. Supporters of the idea say it will help prosecutions of child pornography because in many cases, logs are deleted during the routine course of business.

And I suppose we better add terrorism and any thing else that might get public backing to scare folks into allowing legislation that will allow the goverment to spy on tens of millions of folks without anyone making sure this will not be abused by corrupt goverment officials, nice way to become a facist state.

For those who wonder why I oppose blanket dragnets of folks private practices, read a little bit of American history, some officials cannot be trusted and thats why theres a justice system to overlook such matters, removing that system in the name of some mythical threat is allowing the potential abuse of that information, I remember when the FBI where asking libraries what books folks where reading...


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Re: US Closing Net On Free Speech ?
« Reply #1 on: May 29, 2006, 02:48:28 pm »
Just a passing thought, how do they find out who has done what when they will have so many logs? They are unlikely to have people looking.
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Re: US Closing Net On Free Speech ?
« Reply #2 on: May 29, 2006, 05:33:01 pm »
I,m sure folks like the cartel will lend the FBI people to browse over the logs, and in return maybe catch a filesharer or two  :lol:

The concern that every scrap of information  the goverment has access to is up for sale is also a valid one, lets see heavy penalties for inside abuse something like a 25 yr sentence and then folks can rest a bit happier in there cyber beds.

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Re: US Closing Net On Free Speech ?
« Reply #3 on: June 01, 2006, 03:01:52 pm »
I must have a time machine handy eh folks

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And I suppose we better add terrorism and any thing else that might get public backing to scare folks into allowing legislation that will allow the goverment to spy on tens of millions of folks without anyone making sure this will not be abused by corrupt goverment officials, nice way to become a facist state.

http://news.zdnet.com/2100-9588_22-6078229.html

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In a radical departure from earlier statements, Attorney General Alberto Gonzales has said that requiring Internet service providers to save records of their customers' online activities is necessary in the fight against terrorism, CNET News.com has learned.

Gonzales and FBI Director Robert Mueller privately met with representatives of AOL, Comcast, Google, Microsoft and Verizon last week and said that Internet providers--and perhaps search engines--must retain data for two years to aid in anti-terrorism prosecutions, according to multiple sources familiar with the discussion who spoke on condition of anonymity on Tuesday.

"We want this for terrorism," Gonzales said, according to one person familiar with the discussion.
Gonzales' earlier position had only emphasized how mandatory data retention would help thwart child exploitation

I see the propaganda machine went into full swing here to gain support for domestic surveillance that has little to do with terrorism, unless of course the US has turned into an Arab hotbed in the last week.

Offline SamSeeSam

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Re: US Closing Net On Free Speech ?
« Reply #4 on: June 01, 2006, 03:14:34 pm »
All this is a bit like something I read in someone's post here:

" Apparently, his ISP is blocking ports to contain the spread of viruses. "
( I was wondering ever since, 'pity' we don't have more *SUCH* >GOOOOODD< people )

...(sighs,"what is this world coming to???")
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Re: US Closing Net On Free Speech ?
« Reply #5 on: June 04, 2006, 11:28:01 pm »
It seems some companies are not yet convinced.

http://news.com.com/2100-1028_3-6079585.html

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A meeting at the U.S. Justice Department on Friday to discuss forcing Internet providers to record Americans' online activities ended without reaching an agreement, according to multiple participants.
They have to make sure they do this right, and it doesn't look like they're going about this the right way," said Dave McClure, president of the U.S. Internet Industry Association, which represents small to midsize companies.
McClure, who could not attend Friday's meeting because he was traveling, said: "You have to figure out what information you want, specifically, how to format it so it's useful, how to pay for it, and how to get it past all the privacy people in Congress. I have difficulty understanding why they're flailing about with all these meetings rather than going through that procedure."


I have no difficulty answering that one, they are trying an old trick of saying legislation is needed for different reasons to different folks to get something unsavoury passed into law.
Telling the truth is not the done thing it seems in the US goverment.

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