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Virgin to Co-Operate With BPI
« on: June 06, 2008, 05:39:50 pm »
Just when it seems things couldnt get worse for virgin customers...

http://torrentfreak.com/bpi-and-virgin-media-agree-to-start-warning-uploaders-080606/

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The British Phonographic Industry and UK ISP Virgin Media have done a deal which will see thousands of file-sharers getting warnings. The BPI will use its resources to track file sharers and will then hand the information to Virgin who will send out their own warnings to the customer along with a letter from the BPI.

Virgin will not (yet) disconnect persistent uploaders, but after receiving information from the BPI about users making unauthorized uploads, Virgin Media will start sending out warning letters along with ‘educational’ advice about how to ensure that the customer’s account isn’t ‘misused’. Included in the advice will be links to authorized music sources, along with the usual fear mongering about viruses and spyware.

In this 10-week trial, along with the letter from Virgin, the subscriber will also receive a warning letter from the BPI. It will state that persistent offenders will be disconnected and/or taken to court, despite the fact that Virgin appears to be refusing to disconnect users so far.

Virgin Media (unlike comparable ADSL ISPs in the UK) hand out static IP addresses, so most users will be an easy target as they display the same IP address all the time. But for those Virgin customers with a router, simply changing the MAC address of the unit will force Virgin to hand over a new IP, which then offers the user the same perceived ‘protection’ as a dynamic IP ISP.

This is just the sort of activity you can expect from a company offering its own media and trying to stop joe soap from utilising the bandwidth he has paid for, since they began using the virgin brand-name this ISP group has slumped to an all time low in delivering to the consumer who needs more than 3 emails a week in terms of service, we should expect an exodus of disgruntled customers soon

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Re: Virgin to Co-Operate With BPI
« Reply #1 on: June 10, 2008, 03:23:53 am »
It seems news of the perceived spying on users is spreading fast with even a reputable BBC correspondent dishing the dirt on Virgin.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/7444390.stm

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Virgin Media, who used to be called NTL before they acquired Virgin Mobile and turned themselves into a "four-play" media company, has announced that it is working with record industry lobby group, the British Phonographic Industry, to write to customers whose network connection seems to have been used to download unlicensed content.

Like almost every technically-competent Internet user of my acquaintance I've used BitTorrent to get my hands on a copy of a TV show that I missed, taking advantage of the kindness of strangers who bothered to record and upload the shows for fans because the companies that make and broadcast them choose not to.

But from the outside it seems more like a softening up move to get Virgin customers used to the fact that they are being observed by their ISP. And I predict Virgin will be happy to help the BPI identify individual account holders so that they can be threatened with prosecution over their downloading activities later on.


I noticed recently "Talk-Talk" and "Be" are heavily advertising their services, perhaps they feel there are many new customers around who want a ISP that is not recording industry friendly, after all who wants to let the cartel and their hired criminals have control of our rights to free speech and the right to post our creations online, I most certainly don't.

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Re: Virgin to Co-Operate With BPI
« Reply #2 on: June 10, 2008, 09:39:30 pm »
I'm nit picking here.. but the first quote contains a technical inaccuracy.. insofar as virgin do *not* as stated hand out static ip addresses, they are dynamic, though on long leases & given the differences between cable & dsl *less likely* to change than many others..

In fact not only do they not hand out static addresses.. but static addresses aren't even available as an additional cost option, as a virgin (domestic rather than buisness) customer, about the only way you can have a static address is if you had one as a blueyonder customer before the merger & havn't cancelled it....

As a virgin customer who'd *like* a static IP for reasons of my own.. it's a particular point of frustration.....

It really remains to be seen what results from this co-operation policy though.. particularly the effect it might have on their own immunity from liability.. the whole deal may suddenly fall down if they look at such implications...
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Re: Virgin to Co-Operate With BPI
« Reply #3 on: June 11, 2008, 12:21:02 am »
Indeed Bearded, its a total suprise to me how they believe that should they step over the line and actually intercept any traffic and make an aggregation of that traffic availiable to any thrird party organisation they wont themselves face criminal charges, the law is quite clear on this matter and I look forward to seeing whether all the hoo-ha amounts to anything, let us hope not.

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Re: Virgin to Co-Operate With BPI
« Reply #4 on: June 11, 2008, 01:46:58 am »
it's not only privacy laws they're playing fast & loose with here.. their whole safe haven status as an isp is at risk.. as soon as they start policing anything..  they open themselves up to lawsuits for not policing EVERYTHING.. something no isp has time & manpower to do.. which is why they have the exemption from liability in the first place.. they could potentially end up very sorry they ever started down such a route..
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Re: Virgin to Co-Operate With BPI
« Reply #5 on: June 11, 2008, 05:18:11 am »
Good point Bearded, if you think about it, this has the potential to work in consumers favour, every cloud....If they end up legal hot water for not fully policing their self accepted liability, perhaps other ISPs will run a mile in the future.

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Re: Virgin to Co-Operate With BPI
« Reply #6 on: June 12, 2008, 12:52:24 am »
Is it to help stamp out piracy, or as P2P is said to be up to 70% of bandwidth, simply a way for the ISP to reduce traffic through its networks?

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