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Offline GhostShip

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Re: would like to see
« Reply #20 on: March 23, 2009, 10:50:39 pm »
There are some holes that could be used to ensure compatibility, I,m sure if you write something up I can look at intergration, I did have a simple plan of my own but being time is limited it wont hurt to hear the ideas of others : )

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Re: would like to see
« Reply #21 on: March 23, 2009, 10:55:05 pm »
just to clarify your looking for the function procedures and not the actual code right?(since surely you know im still not able to write such a thing)
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« Reply #22 on: March 24, 2009, 01:39:39 am »
my personal beef with mx moni..... is 95% of the time it goes hand in hand with the 0 of 0 (or its new cousins) hack.... moni encourages complete splintering or just pure leeching too much.... the ones that use it responsibly are all fine and good... but thats only the other 5%......

an interesting note gs: you say that the internet could be choked up? im assuming you have gone over the mxm tutorial on this site... if a user really does have a 33.6k or 28.8k modem and reports their connection as such, then those who are running mxm and followed the tutorial here automatically kick the 'oldschool' dialup users... (shall dialup users lie about their connects? report your speed as either 28.8 or 33.6 and run as a secondary for a while and see how many ignore lists you land on)

from a dialup users standpoint MXM, used by even responsible users, makes winmx basically useless.... either from a queue that lasts longer than the ISPs 'session time' will allow (if you arent part of that niche group and are therefor waiting behind the prioritised friends) or from simply being blocked for being on dialup... (as per wmw tutorial... or mxm default settings...)

i can get more from soulseek in a day than i can from winmx in a month... and soulseek doesnt even have multisource downloads.... i could compare what i can get from bittorrent... but that would be unfair as the network types are completely different...

and please note that this is just my take on it.... but if MXs userbase is to grow with users who are just after the files (and sharing them)... the niche thing needs to lighten up less they become jaded themselves or just give up and move on....

prior to the shutdown i was a no-chat/files-only/no-tools MXer... now i have leechammer to kick the 0 of 0 lusers.... and __incomplete__s that get deleted most of the time cos they never start or never finish.... (and many incompletes go along for the ride for up to a year....) the MXMas before last i deleted 4gigs of useless incomplete files... last MXMas it was 1gig... im down to a handfull of half downloaded files and im using soulseek for what i want... and i cant stand that the MX has come to that :/

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Re: would like to see
« Reply #23 on: March 24, 2009, 01:47:30 am »
* bacon665 blinks
i have similar problems with the thousands of incompletes but only about 30% is due to mxm users. the rest is my taste in music and i only find the files once : /
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« Reply #24 on: March 24, 2009, 05:06:13 am »
bacon; if you are on broadband... give the incompletes about 3 months... if after that they havent changed in size just delete them and try again.... or move on to soulseek to get the really rare stuff.... you dont have to bother with albumwrap files since you can right click the file and select 'download directory' and it will get the entire album of individual files....

then theres bittorrent but everone is familiar with that...

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« Reply #25 on: March 24, 2009, 05:09:46 am »
This I find strange especially from yourself Bacon as you always seem to enter the chatroom on a chat client  :/

As for Soulseek being any better than MX I just don't see that either considering they use a similar transfer system as do most p2p networks, a few years ago I warned folks we had to be on our guard against throttling etc and no one really took that on board, now some folks complains about transfers and srcs when the reality is we have had an increase in users not a decrease thus the only rational answer to winmx speed concerns can only be those where the ISP is likely to be helping slow you down to a crawl or in a similar fashion deal you a blow to steal your paid for service, all this talk of MXM users being to blame when the reality is they are just a small minority of user seems to be heavily overstating the situation, but then as I also stated earlier on in the thread some folks seek to use extremism to make a point regardless of their points validity in the big picture, for most users they need only avoid ISP companies that inhibit or limit their service, mx users are not all of the type mentions by Stripes regardless of his claims and to clarify a fact that he tried to distort to make his "point" I need only point to the default install for winmx sets the displaying of fake line types automatically when the requisite downloads figure is reached, this has nothing to do with wmw, as you well know Stripes.

You do not help your case when you bring misleading "facts" to the table.

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« Reply #26 on: March 24, 2009, 06:11:30 am »
i didnt say general mx users nor wmw users... i said MXM (mxmoni) users...

if you find a file that has about 5 or more sources then you'll get it.... if its only one source... you are very likely not to... at least i havent been able to... either cos of endless queues (relative to session timeout) or being blocked by MXM for being too slow or simply for sharing the same kind of odd stuff that im after... (one user messaged me a while back -- and i quote "ogg files? fuck you!" -- i was promptly banned/blocked... ogg files were the majority but mp3 was there as well... makes one wonder... and with the oggs not connected to the RIAA in any way..... well... apparently fully legal transfers arent appreciated either...)

how many usernames have -you- seen with 'mxm' or 'moni' or 'trade' appended to them? how many 'room tags' have you seen? better yet... how many 0 of 0 have you seen?

and yes i know we have had an increase of users... but my keyboard doesnt type japanese...

and what i said about lying about connect speeds is that dialup users basically -need- to lie to keep from automatically being blocked by MXM.... (a 56k user needs to say they are on at lest 128k isdn to keep away from mxms autoblock defaults... do i lie?)

the changing reported speed only changes on opennap...


and lets put it this way.... had i not been using winmx prior to the 2k5 shutdown i wouldnt be using it now.... as the experence is drastically different than that of other p2ps either because of more users with more odd files (soulseek) or a different transfer method (bittorrent)...

notice that both me and bacon have a hard time with the obscure/hard-to-find stuff.... which would cause those who werent there for MXs history to try something else... (think about it.. seriously... i know all of us have an affinity for our once easy as a breeze to use p2p app.. but having to fight with the app anymore has become very frustrating esp when there are others that have filled the easy as a breeze place...)

the 'top 40' is easy as pie (no pun intended) to get ahold of on the MX... dont get me wrong... but what about that stuff that was first released on 8-track/vinyl (cant fix a broken record or tape that the deck decided to eat) or the stuff that doesnt have the RIAA/MPAA attached to it.... or even audio file formats that arent mp3.... for a secondary user at least the rare/unusual stuff is 'just out of reach' on the MX...

its both saddning and maddning that the once great / easy to use / find any file MX has fallen to this....

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Re: would like to see
« Reply #27 on: March 24, 2009, 06:43:38 am »
I hear your pain stripes and bacon regarding not being able to complete rare files,  it is lucky for you there is alternative ways to obtain such files, but from my own experience most mx moni users i know use the program responsably, i too also curse the day the 0 of 0 hack was released and in my room encourage people to stay away from it and use winmx for sharing, i too am an old school winmx user and see many changes in the type of user on winmx today. I would suggest sending a message to a person who has a file you want that maybe rare and maybe offer a trade you may be surprised how willing someone is to help a fellow winmx user. There are still many good users on winmx who share and trade so it is not all doom and gloom but sadly winmx needs a revamp to bring back users who went off onto other networks and in my opinion from a chat point of view winmx is unique !
Maybe the points raised by stripes regarding the default settings in mx moni to block any user with a certain connection could also be removed from a new mx moni i also agree no User should be blocked due to their connection speed as in many cases they have no alternative. I would also like to add to a new moni type program the ability to block users using the 0 of 0 hack as these people are simply abusing the very reason winmx was made for, at the moment mx moni can only be set to block users with 0 files but these users maybe new on winmx so i do not like to see them blocked either just those using the hack. This is why i started the thread in the hope some coder would become interested in making a new mx moni for the future with added things i outlined on page 1 and maybe other features other people could recommend and a chat server like FX server with a user friendly GUI  :)

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« Reply #28 on: March 24, 2009, 07:29:47 am »
To outline more clearly
A updated version of mx moni or something similar with maybe the following additions
removal of the default block on certain connection speeds
ability to block users with the 0 of 0 hack
a smoother whois that does not effect winmx while people join the queue
does not freeze when clearing the ignored list
can use all ascii symbols used in some usernames in the auto upload to strings
have the ability the know what users are in the same rooms as yourself and auto start their download if they joined your queue
Have the ability to send a user upon joining your queue a user predefined message
maybe have versions for Linux aswell as windows

And a new chat server like Fx server  with a user friendly GUI  maybe also to be open source so its development can continue



I know maybe this is just pie in the sky but it got my juices flowing lol :P





Offline ']['affy

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Re: would like to see
« Reply #29 on: March 24, 2009, 09:05:01 am »
i dont reli see the need for mxm these days, in the early days most rooms (movie rooms) required u to run mxm and add the room tag to automatically start a member with those tags, but with the current amount of users of the client it isnt necessary only thing that its needed for is the 0-0 hack.

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Re: would like to see
« Reply #30 on: March 24, 2009, 09:14:37 am »
Mx moni is still widley used not just by room users but also by non room users :)

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Re: would like to see
« Reply #31 on: March 24, 2009, 10:14:10 am »
Is there even a sorce code for mx moni or leech hammer ? i dont see one in the archive  :(


I may have a person interested in revamping mx monitor or maybe leech hammer  but without a source code it is a non starter

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Re: would like to see
« Reply #32 on: March 24, 2009, 06:08:54 pm »
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This I find strange especially from yourself Bacon as you always seem to enter the chatroom on a chat client

don't know where you been quicks but i use 3.53
only come in with bots to do the stat display crap  and thats a rarity
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« Reply #33 on: March 24, 2009, 06:27:57 pm »
There is no src code for Mxmoni available Birdman just as there is no src code for MX itself, its only been down to the skill and commitment of users to gather their own data and build programs that innovations have been forthcoming, I suggest you get working on a flowchart of what your program is required to do and make as much detail as you can in it then if a coder does wish to take up the challenge its not going to be so hard as if one person has to do all the work, this is after all how the community should operate, sharing information and our time is what we are all about as far as I,m concerned.

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« Reply #34 on: March 25, 2009, 03:27:18 am »
Concerning MXM, you could try contacting it s creator .. 538 for an update request or bugreport maybe even request info about the source ... but i personally think this would be a waste of time since it has been whithout movement a long  ...long time and more important ... it is even illegal to redistribute (like any file sharer would care about that ...lol)

the info i found was this:

last legal update: May 1st, 2003
development software: Visual C++ 6.0  WTL7.0/STL/Platform SDK Oct/2002
contact adress: XXXXXXXXXX contact  me if you want it
redistribution: Not allowed

some buggs you talked about are winmx or windows problems in my opinion, like the freeze on ignore clearing (winmx does the same on clearing a full list) and weird screen trouble in winmx after a  long time running is a windows memory leak (wich can easally be fixed with microsoft's help)

now there are a few later version then 1.28, i guess these are hexed versions(1.30 by the wraith) or just made into an exe(1.29)

the wraith should be pretty easy to reach for info if he has an internet connection atm (i think this would be the  best chance of getting to know a little more)
if you need any of these later versions.. i think i have them floating around somewhere on the machine so let me know if you want them

hope this  helped a little, greetings, Joshua203
i hope this post helped a little

edited the adress out myself after the next post (when i found i was could edit myself in this thread :lol:)
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« Reply #35 on: March 25, 2009, 03:29:12 am »
not sure if posting the conact adress was such a good idea on second thought.... feel free to remove it moderators ;-)
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Re: would like to see
« Reply #36 on: March 25, 2009, 03:43:32 am »
if the info is public or stored in documentation not covered by the license (if there is one. in the event it is not licensed distrobution is legal to an extent because its contents are not protected) then i dont really see a reason to with hold the contact info other then giving people who normally wouldnt contact him the idea to spam his email about it.
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« Reply #37 on: March 25, 2009, 03:47:11 am »
other then giving people who normally wouldnt contact him the idea to spam his email about it.

the exact reason for my doubts bacon ;-)
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« Reply #38 on: March 25, 2009, 06:38:58 am »
Maybe the further info you have on mx moni  ( 1.30  by wraith) could be of use to someone joshua, i would say post it here and see :)

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« Reply #39 on: March 25, 2009, 08:38:27 pm »
That is still the same old MxMoni. The correct name for the author of MxMoni is 358 and its unlikely he is interested in updating or making changes in his program, he has after all had 4+ years to do so.

The program itself seems to subclass MX and doing its work by hijacking the memory space mx runs in as I was unable to find any trace of winmx protocol in the program itself thus this seem to show that its hijacking the transfer controls directly.

The main though here is that we need a newly constructed tool rather than an old tool that is not open src, my hope of course is that a generally accepted improved que management system can be designed to make all these small apps redundant in the long term.

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