The BackBone Of MX

[{MXC}_michael]

if the faite of winmx lies in the hands of "KM & Sabre" then it looks like winmx ressurection will be doomed to failure.

[KM]

sabre has repeatedly attacked people to try and get his own way, he doesn't have a clue about how winmx works and his excuse when you ask why he is bossing people about when he doesn't have a clue? he doesn't need to know because he is more important than everyone else, because he has a disassembler and nobody else is even remotely smart enough to double click an icon like he can... lol

sabre is one of those arseholes that gets banned from most rooms he goes in, so his response is to attack the host and knock the room offline... typical script kiddy, whenever he doesn't get his own way he has a tantrum, starts attacking people trying to knock them offline, or does whatever else to knock users offline

btw I've moved the thread to the think tank (more relevant section we have i think), because it's not really news that sabre is a moron... he is constantly launching attacks against my servers to try and knock them offline, anything winmx related he is trying to attack it an knock it offline in an attempt to kill winmx

https://forum.winmxworld.com/index.php?topic=2785.0.html

[MXC_michael]

i asked him about the attack on josh he says committed the attacks urself as a boost in ur propaganda war lol.   possible  however im abit more sceptical

[MXC_michael]

And in big bold letters  he claims  he does NOT commit dos attacks

[bughunter]

no where amungst all of this have i seen anyone say a formal complaint has been made to the revelant isp concerned.........
surely firewall logs screen captures whois  packet captures have been taken of these attacks...........or not..................
he said she said has no relavence.........if ya not prepared to do something about it.........dont bitch about it..............
and besides ya giving sabre way to much credit.........your all assuming he knows wat and were to find a command prompt...........
let alone a understanding of protocols .............but i suppose even a mindless moron can google dos attacks.........
sooner or later the issue of pie is going to have to be dealt with,running away from it helps no one let alone the network..........
pies actions since the crash has reached legendary fucktard status.......and now a person in a privildged postion hosting a cache server is now reportidly lauching attacks on selective targets.............and yet nothing is done.....................
i guess somethings never change...............

[KM]

what do you think should be done? the only action that could really happen is if his provider cut him off, which considering he's on a corporate connection not a home one or anything is unlikely - but if they did do so then, thousands of users have been lied to and as a result are dependent on sabres connection staying online - he knows this that's why he isn't worried about launching attacks on us (and routinely attacks the winmxgroup servers), because he knows that we would need a damn good reason before doing something about it because we care about keeping users on winmx than getting an arsehole cut off for being himself

and if he didn't do it, then why as soon as he realised we weren't going to retaliate as he wanted did he come running in to the winmxworld room and start making threats to try and stop us telling anyone about it? if it was nothing to do with him then it wouldn't matter would it?

[GhostShip]

Ok I have heard a lot of inflammatory rhetoric and some of Michaels doom and gloom wisdom.

Lets get to the heart of the matter, most users want a connection solution, they dont really care how or why, nothing is going to happen to endanger that without a backlash on those involved in damaging this simple arrangement.

I think we can see tempers flaring a lot due to the deliberate lying policy operated by the pie pay-for-winmx team , but we will not stoop to any rettaliation or attacks to resolve the current impasse, the users are slowly seeing that the pie strategem of doing nothing is not helping themselves or the users, given time we will all reach the position we need to be in, and to get there will take more hard work from us all, even whats left of the pie team should be working towards progress instead of ther policy of silencing users who dont agree with them.

In the end no one will thank us for fighting, whatever our good intentions.

I propose to those who want matters resolved to participate in making the community stronger and work towards solutions, nothing will happen by sitting and complaining, If you feel your views are those we should follow lets here them, we are not afraid like some of open discussion here, nor do we own the network.

The network belongs to the users, anyone thinking differently is deluding themselves, If users want change I suggest you all help it happen, the community will demand this and I think those who dont listen to what the users want are those who place their own selfish desires above helping the rest of us.

Whilst we are winning the battle with the flooders its ironic the lies from Jim, Love, Lovergirl, Dragonrider, Vladd and Gem are doing another sort of damage, that is costing the winmx community users and something more valuable, trust in the communitys members, this is a great disappointment to me personally,  I was one of those who helped get mx up and rolling, none of those who currently run the pie team took a hand , all the folks who gathered together to do there bit didnt ask for credit or payment and many have returned to the shadows content in knowing they did their bit when called to arms even Sabre answered the call to his credit, he left the pie team at xmas, Capt Grove, Camille and  Sable have left it, so has Nobby, it is no longer operating with the communities backing.

The choice of which path is clear to me, although I do have a wish that those who now run the pie team at least tried to help the network and its users instead of pitting neighbour against neighbour in a pretence of helping while they earn substancial revenue.

Please all act with your own concience over this ongoing matter I think it is wasteful of our time and resources, but unless others step up to demand the truth be told we are left to waste valuable time defending ourselves against lies.

When the next person asks why there is no new client I m confident in knowing it wasnt because those at this site and winmxgroup havent been busy, far from it.
I wish pie could claim the same, they do not even operate a single peer cache.

I hope many of you remember the spirit of this reworked old saying, "Ask not what the network can do for you , but what can you do for the network ?"

Peace to you all 

[bughunter]

what im susgesting is if your being attacked to do what any network admin would do ........gather all the evidence and make a formal complaint.............two things will happin 1 sabre will get into trouble and cease the attacks..........
2 pie / winmx lose that cache server plunging thousands of users at a dead cache.............we have been in this scenerio before..........requiring a ton of work getting ppl reconnected again...........
personnally the second option is  best long term for winmx and the goals of growing winmx again................and a CLEAN NETWORK..........
it is ineviatable that as the network becomes clean pie will dissappear..........as long as pie remain the goal of a clean network will always be a dream instead of the reality it could be...........
but under no circumstances am i susgesting that you should lower your self to sabres standards..........through out this whole affair you have done the right thing in the face of daily attacks on your crediabilty and motives..........im not sure given your position i could be so restrained..................
i find it amusing that all the things pie susgest your doing sabre is actually the one and yet the silence from pie is deafening
anyways just wanted to clarify that..............

[Bearded Blunder]

Assuming some action could be taken which resulted in that cache closing, what then?
Most of the thousands of users relying on it are LOST, unlike the users Pie abandoned by neglecting to update a simple text file we have no means of contacting them to say how to reconnect, Sabre also controls their update bar, if he's gone so is that & Many of those users are gone forever.

Users aren't stupid, word of our far superior solution is spreading, every day more switch & the network becomes cleaner, but as things stand today, cutting those users reliant on Pie off would cause more harm than good, what is it the military call innocent casualties "collateral damage"? At the moment my feeling is the cost of such a "victory" would be way too high.

Give it time, users know what WORKS from what doesn't, let the word spread, they aren't sheep & they won't follow Pie forever.

[KM]

there are many users who have been doing as pie said and "you need an update" all the time followed straight away by "you need another update to stay working" and are pissed off with it, shutting down sabres cache would mean at best merely losing those users, at worst pissing off those users because of yet another update after so many recently (even if that update to the winmxgroup patch was their last update, they would see it as yet another update)... having users pissed off and telling their friends that winmx is crap doesn't help anyone

that's also the reason why if another patch update is released soon then it will not be announced in the update bar for 3.0 users as has been common with previous versions, because of those who have recently installed the patch who are pissed off with constant updates that would look and go "another update? I'm off..." even though it's not essential they would still see "another update"...

we need to keep users on winmx and get the word out to them of how to get rid of fakes and get a better winmx they can tell their friends about, not break it again so they can tell their friends about all the times it broke... even if it was due to them being lied to, that's vladds fault not the users fault and not the networks fault

[{MXC}_michael]

we need to keep users on winmx and get the word out to them of how to get rid of fakes and get a better winmx they can tell their friends about.

thats all good, but u have the pie team using scare tactics by telling winmx users that if they use ur dll they are breaking the law , and will be caught by the riaa/mpaa. is ur dll illegal km?

[GhostShip]

Michael, the arguments and reasons put forward by pie/Jim are unable to stand up to any reasonable scrutiny, their misreading of many rather simple US law decisions makes the whole internet illegal in their opinions.
I and others see this as  merely a smokescreen to keep users diverted while they put more innocent users folks on their solution that allows for 100% of fakes to appear in their results, the same solution that allows them to be used in denial of service attacks on other users, we know that for sure is not legal or allowed by there iSP.

I hope those in pie consider their serious actions in sabotaging the WPN and attacking users.

[bughunter]

pie have made it abundantly clear they care not for users or this network....................
despite the over whelming evidence there solution is a piece of shit they cling to it like a baby to a secruity blanket...............
even now it is still not official pie policy to block, and they continue to sign ppl up to there crappy hosts file without even a single mention of the need to block.............
and now we have one of there cache operators dossing users on this network ,and yet the silence of pie to this is deafning...........
we all know both vladd and gems motives are purely finacial gain, as its in there interests that users continue to have problems ,so thus having to visit vladds or gems websites for help ensuring a continual supply of revenue.............
what is not clear is why the other members of pie are involved in this.........blind loyality, or just total stupidity..............
we can all sit here moaning till we are blue in the face.........and it wont make the slightest bit of difference...........
as we both as a community and indivually are not prepared to do anything about it................
this will lead to only one thing the total demise of winmx, its only a matter of time..................
if winmx is to be saved then pie have to go, no ifs buts or maybe,s about it...........for as long as pie remain winmx is doomed...........
thou i seriously doubt any one or group has the balls to standup and actively set about the destruction of pie...............
 

[{MXC}_michael]

bughunter says: thou i seriously doubt any one or group has the balls to standup and actively set about the destruction of pie...............



why not post a way users can do this lol     do u mean  dossing their caches?   just like u complained about sabre doing it to urs?. is that not hipercritical?

[GhostShip]

I would help if you thought about what your posting Michael, I dont see any member of winmxworld or winmxgroup suggesting such an attack, surely you can read the posters names.

[bughunter]

i guess its a question of what you believe in micheal, and are you prepared to fight for it.....................
ever since the crash of winmx pie,s conduct and that of those that follow there particular brand of lies has been nothing short of a disgrace.............there position is totally indefensible, this has resulted in what was once an informative and leading website on winmx being turned into a complete shambles.........with no one allowed to post anything that may even be slightly against pies views.....even completely independent posters like robin the programmer for sherwood having his posts deleted because he dared to post that pies fix wasnt upto scratch...........was he lying .........no..........just stating a fact.............but this has been typical of pies conduct lie to users deny them information and deceive them into thinking there fix was the only fix and that it protected them...........
even today any user can go to a vladd help ( ROFL IS THAT WHAT THEY CALL IT ) room, and regardless of what your problem is you will be told to install pie patch.............since your in the room why would you need to install any connection patch, your obviously already connected.........and to install a inferior patch which does little other than connect you and riaa seems as stupid as tits on a bull.........so you then can only question pies motives...............
in any other facet of the internet anything that allowed a third party to connect to you without your permission, and engage in harvesting of ip's, dossing of network users and to spread garbage data such as fake files would be labelled a virus / worm / trojan  and the appropriate measures taken to remove it..............yet this is exactly what pie patch does with riaa and there co-horts as the uninvited third party.........and you wonder why i say pie have to go or radically change the way their fix works................the longer riaa are allowed access the better there chances of finding new ways to make a nuisance of themselves..........and of course there is the handful of users and im thinking of me_here quicksilver km  beared blunder ace cc and others who bleed everyday for this network and its uses.........they give so much of there time talent and resources to make this a better network only to have all there hard work put in jeopardy by pies continual antics............shouldnt they be allowed to enjoy winmx too.................
i will openly admit part of me wants to doss pie,s caches of the face of the earth..........( after all it would be so easy ) but that wouldnt be right, and would cause a great deal of inconvenience to users, who after all are what count here.............so winmxworld will continue to promote the dll to users as the best connection solution and engage anyone who wants the facts with the facts, something that cant be said of pie, who boot anyone who even asks a difficult question.............
hopefully at some point in time pie will realize there madness and take steps to remedy the situation , thou im not going to hold my breath...........as if you havent figured it out yet.........pie have no interest in winmx its users or the network...........its a personal vendetta by vladd and his co-horts against km..........after all vladd is selling winmx to users on his website,,,,,,,,hardly got users best interests at heart has he..............even nobby who has in the past been one of pies greatest advocates is questioning what the fuck is going on..........yet he still clings to something that he knows is wrong..........he is one of the smarter pie folks about .........which is why i abuse him so badly,as hes being so frustratingly silly.............
no one is asking anybody to love km or anybody else in winmxworld..........but what we are asking is that every user think seriously about this networks longevity and there own secruity...........as of this date......the dll is the only solution that

1 blocks riaa
2 filters fakes from users searches
3 auto updates caches and any improvements to winmx

solution for winmx is pretty simple isnt it....................

[chuck]

There is not much anyone can do other than just get the truth out to all the users about how Vladd , Pie and Saber go about doing things.

The actions on vladds forum can not be denied, Its there for all to see or should i say not to see lol.The ads for pay for Winmx are there,the facts of how the host file allows flooding of the wpn is there,The lies on the vladd forum and in the vladd help rooms on mx are there.Sabers actions are in the open and if he contenues as he is doing it will just get worse. Lets face it the people that trust vladd pie and saber are going to no matter what we say it will just take time for them to see on their own, and it will happen in the last month we have seen those of the pie team and loyal users of the pie host file change to the DILL.

There are many of the pie bunch that would like to see Saber out of the the pitcure they asked not to have their names known , knowing how he acts when not being the main center of things.They know he is a libality now. But till someone comes foward to run a server they are stuck with him. Vladd or Gem are not interested in running a server they only care about their sites and and ad money they can make thats easy to see.

Its easy to see now after reading some of the post about TPB and how much money they are supposed to be makeing off ad's just how much can be made . Not saying vladd could ever have the readership of TPB.

The only actions that can be taken by anyone is to just keep the truth out in front of the users and to point out any ill deed done by Pie. Any thing ealse and you would be no better than them and run away the trust of the users that have switched to the DILL.

The fact that this site does not have ad's does not edit, delete post shows they have nothing to hide. This site is all about the user and the use of WinMX.

In the end the only way to get rid of pie is to let them do it to themselves. They have been doing a good job of it the last few months.

The thought of Saber's server being in the USA the home of the RIAA and MPAA, and that he is keeping ip's should be enough to make the users change. I have no idea if he does keep ip's but it has been stated on this forum many times and he or no one else has said its not true and after seeing how many lies pie has spread in the past id doubt id trust them if they said he didnt.

[bughunter]

quiet simply pie have no creditabilty at all.....every single one of them has been exposed as the liers they are...........
sabre has demonstrated that hes an appalling cache operator, hes obviously loging all ips that unfortunately connect to his cache.........his motives are questionable to say the least................
and you will note the only ppl defending pie are pie..........no where are there any users sticking up for them...............
as in everything words are cheap and its actions that really count..........and pies disgracefull actions are there for all to see.........
pie dont even deny that there hosts file solution is a piece of s**t or that there deliberate lying to users has comprimised this network..........afte rall riaa are only here because of pie...........yet they seek to pretend that it all really doesnt exist, and it turn claim you cant trust km he will do this or that..........yet in almost a year km has done nothing other then provide the most reliable caches, and produce a truely brilliant connection blocking filtering solution...........on the other hand pies actions are simply a disgrace with there cache operator dossing users..........and pie think there trust worthy...........yea right..............
my only concern is that most users are totally unaware of what is going on.........and only seek help if winmx is broken.........as was clearly demonstrated a few weeks ago when pie broke yet again leaving thousands of users in the dark the vast majority that came into winmxworld had no idea that there was an alternative connection solution that indeed protected both them and the network.....but what was most appaling was the number who had paid for winmx from adds on vladds websites...........my point here is that thou we can wait time and reach as many users as possible thru these forums..........surely the quiest way to get users on the dll is for pie to break yet again ................and knowing sabre as the lame ass that he is.........its only a short wait till he fucks up and thousands of users are once again left in the lurch................

[chuck]

 For a site that states its  Our purpose is to be the best help site for all p2p. While we are currently focused on WinMX and BitTorrent, This site will provide you with the latest, and most pertinent information.

 Here is the number one question on vladd's forum and it comes from The Cesspool. with 11 post nothing else came close.
 
Why is Jimbo so Gay?


          The Cesspool

1=Why is Jimbo so Gay? 11 post since july 15


2=Complaint Department: Post Your Complaints Here  7 post since july 15

3=No Joy 6 post since july 15

4=sigh 4 post since july 15

5=How Did All The Lame Ass People Get Into The Chat Room 4 post since july 15

6=Here's one for you. 3 post since july 15

7=Im out of town 3 post since july 15

8=VLADD ACTUALLY GOT PLYM SOME WEED!!! 2 post since july 15



          WinMX Forum

1=  Help for Mx Users - Getting Around the Fake File Flooding 4 post since july 15

2= I can't get my FX room up (using Router + new patch) 2 post since july 15


This is the reason ive said there is no need to do any thing but let the users know the truth. When a help site's number one question is why jim is gay id say its a non player in the winmx help world.
 
And the best part is they are doing it to themselves.

This has been the trend for some time now on their forum. With the Admins they have now on their forum how could you expect any thing ealse? They are all known for their childish acts and out and out lies and fear mongering. Out of 14 admins only one that i know of has not made a fool of them selves that would be dap OLD werewolf thay have helped many in the video forum.

The users are seeing what they are about and changeing from the host file to the  Dill and to useing this site for all their WinMX needs
only one visit to their form shows that.

All that is needed is to get the info out about Saber's actions and how he runs his server and only a fool would run their patch.

So Bug i dont see any need to do any thing but post the truth and stay out of their way so we dont slow them down in killing themselves

[Cerebral]

piepatch  should be tossed away