Author Topic: Another Patch In The Works ? (Read 4686 times)

GhostShip · « **on:** October 01, 2007, 12:23:56 am »

I have just noticed this newly registered project on sourceforge by "Snick"

http://sourceforge.net/projects/xconnectwinmx/

This may turn out to be nothing but I thought you may all wish to know sooner rather than later.

Lagerlout666 · « **Reply #1 on:** October 01, 2007, 04:11:16 pm »

I hope he does, Snick is a good coder, about time someone took the bull by the horns and released their work opensource, might set a presidence.

Mick832 · « **Reply #2 on:** October 01, 2007, 09:52:10 pm »

If this is released then a certain poll on this site and all the pages of arguments that went along with it becaome irrelevant?

]-[êll.Ôñ.ËÀR'][']-[. · « **Reply #3 on:** October 01, 2007, 10:38:24 pm »

so will winmx be with all the different patches that will spring up ....if you think diffrent ...thats 2 in a couple of days add them to whats about already all that will happen will be more splintering of winmx & more groups divided......more confusion for the users.......so much for pulling together

Mick832 · « **Reply #4 on:** October 01, 2007, 11:12:01 pm »

Is it possible for all who are working on patches to pass there patches around to just each other. Then the actual coders can work out which is best, maybe finding small flaws in each others work, and maybe even combining the best of each patch.

Then if here and V44 and MXPie could support one patch, then maybe we could be a real comunity again.

(I just read that back for spelling errors, and got distracted by a pig flying past my window)

]-[êll.Ôñ.ËÀR'][']-[. · « **Reply #5 on:** October 01, 2007, 11:56:24 pm »

lol great idea in theory mick but i suspect highly unlikely

Mick832 · « **Reply #6 on:** October 02, 2007, 12:58:47 am »

Only way I can think of to stop the splintering of WinMX as you mentioned Hell.

If a group gets together, and then they publicise 1 patch as the best, then at least most of the users should be together. Between WinMXWorld, V44 and MXPie they have to push a common fix.

But as you said Hell, highly unlikely, but we can hope.

White Stripes · « **Reply #7 on:** October 02, 2007, 02:40:16 am »

as far as i can tell the only thing thats going to keep winmx from splintering into oblivian is if frontcode mysteriously starts things going again....

fun while it lasted tho...

Lagerlout666 · « **Reply #8 on:** October 02, 2007, 08:25:56 am »

How is someone else making a patch splintering the network, at the end of the day most will support which ever patch is the best working and pretty much so long as its open source.
A few peeps my split an try and make thier own group possibly but how will that work, this site has been at the front line for 2 years and has got a hell of alot of respect from its users, most if reading here are told that this patch or another is the better will use that patch as winmxworld has never given them a bum deal before. Have you ever found yourself unable to connect since winmxworld stepped up to help after winmxgroup going offline??

Try not to get carried away being disheartening and yes mick, its about time somebody put a blast in the works of all the bickering and arguing that has been going on between some.

So i say good luck snick, you need any help and support give me a shout, an im sure many many more will help you as well.

..Ñøßß¥.. · « **Reply #9 on:** October 02, 2007, 08:29:12 am »

There is already a simple plan to unite most of Winmx groups, unfortunatley a bunch of foolish folks here are doing their best to ruin it by voting and speaking out against open source and some have chosen to throw their toys outta their prams also. Perhaps whats needed is an independant coder to release an open source patch, then the idiots here will not be able to stop it and be given no way to prevent the development of Winmx. I personally would rather have seen the patch under development here finished and released for all with the source, but frankly it matters not who releases it, so long as it connects, blocks, filters and is open source, who cares right? Lets hope they excersise the same common sense as Ghost was using in ensuring the patch he was assisting with, contains nothing that can be used by the enemy, should it, the blame will be firmly with all those idiots that have voted and worked to undermine Ghosts efforts.

Max™ · « **Reply #10 on:** October 02, 2007, 10:53:01 am »

ok the way i see it,
if we have an open source patch, someone WILL modify it so they can demand payment or not connect,
it has been done, people have paid stupid amounts of money & it still wont connect,
open source is giving the greedy people a helping hand,
WinMX is FREE, lets keep it that way.

Lagerlout666 · « **Reply #11 on:** October 02, 2007, 12:23:52 pm »

another falling to the most rediculous claim ive heard all day, releasing something gnu gives you rights, releasing the patch an someone makes a copy and startes selling it, you can sue, its easy to reverse enginer anything even slightly to see signs of your code.

Take what KM did to winmxworld, its a simple as that, if the owner doesnt stop you approach the owner of the server, if he has any sense the site will closed till the files are removed. Happens all the time more often than most of us realise.

Cobra · « **Reply #12 on:** October 02, 2007, 06:10:29 pm »

I don't think something like this could splinter the community. As far as I am concerned the real community is inside of the WinMX chatrooms... not in forums like this one. Assuming the caches stayed active, would WinMX suddenly stop working if only this foum shut down? Of course not.

There are hundreds of different programs that help you access IRC. There are several that let you access multiple chat clints such as Yahoo, AIM, and MSN. Most of these are independent of the original companies. Yet, they all take you to the same places as people who are using the official programs. People choose the first they see or what is best for them and stop thinking about what is being used after that because it no longer matters. They are where they want to be and the fact that Tillion instead of Yahoo! IM got them there is not so important that they mentioning it to everyone they chat with.

What I still see (despite KM's departure) are many people here who want the community to unite.... so long as WinMXWorld is still on top and considered the best. It's difficult to say "truce" and everyone that is working all work together for a single goal with no one above anyone else -- especially with so much mistrust. Finally having someone else release open source could do that, but it is still dependant on the people. A key event would be anyone getting involved on the high end sharing peer caches or whatever keeps WinMX connected to the network. Keeping the site alive is best as one big WinMX, not 100 tiny ones that appear and fizzle regularly.

GhostShip · « **Reply #13 on:** October 03, 2007, 12:57:47 am »

You seem to have overlooked one vital fact in your equation Cobra, whilst your correct in stating that the forum could disappear with no ill effects its actually the place many of those active in holding the community together congregate, we have the blocking team, the peer cache operators and other vital backroom support folks who seem to like the place, say what you will about perceved positions and suspected motives the key goal is helping folks and supporting the network and adjusting our position when required to meet new challenges, that is what the community wishes and so its what we try to deliver.

We actually have many patches atm, of interest to us on a technical level only those that block can be considered useful but basic, a filtering version is what we ourselves would like to see, this wont be so simple but its unlikely folks will change from a working solution to a broken one so I am looking for this level of technical competence as the entry level in reality, we here will of course have no problems with such a patch, protection is something we feel is the users right.

Scyre · « **Reply #14 on:** October 04, 2007, 04:03:34 am »

"foolish folks here are doing their best to ruin it by voting and speaking out against open source"
Nobby, I think you need to take a BIG step back and realize that people have a right to vote and voice their opinions. You make it sound like people who aren't in agreement with you should be exterminated.
That is just a really narrow view of the community if you ask me, with so many different people. How could you expect them ALL to agree with you?

"idiots here will not be able to stop it and be given no way to prevent the development of Winmx"
Who says that the development of winmx would stop if you don't have it your way? Closed source does not mean people will not do anything more.

"the blame will be firmly with all those idiots that have voted and worked to undermine Ghosts efforts."
First, just because people don't agree with you doesn't mean they are all idiots. (Twice you made that claim in one post)
Second, just because someone votes differently does not mean they are undermining Ghosts efforts. In fact, he said he wanted to go with the majority view of the community. The vote was over 50% against, and not quite a third for... So the majority opposes the idea...That is neither undermining Ghost, nor is it confirmation that they are all idiots.

I agree with Tiny on the protection of GPL. That gives leadway to keep open source protected in the event of unauthorized altering. (I still oppose open source, but he has a good point)

I also agree 100% with Ghost wanting to see a thouroughly tested and working patch that includes filtering and blocking, and not jump on the bandwagon of a throw together mess that is not well written.

Be Good
Scyre

..Ñøßß¥.. · « **Reply #15 on:** October 04, 2007, 09:24:44 am »

You think an intelligent person wants to see a repeat of the recent KM senario? One person sitting on a closed source patch, off button and DMCA pad at the ready? As you make so clear people are entitled to opions, heres mine:

Folks that do not understand this issue are somewhat ignorant, those who do understand the issues and are still against open source are idiots, thats my opinion, and in my mind ofc, fact.

The problem we have here, is the idiots are blurring the issues, are sidetracking folks, are doing what they can to disrupt the community, to slow down the development of projects, and to generally throw some wieght around (you know who you are), in effect, the idiots are influencing the ignorant. In addition, all of these exchanges are still pretty much pointless, as i have said already, there is no new working blocking / filtering patch to even argue about.

When i heard others were now looking to delevelop patches, i was at first worried, worried KM mk2 was out there, developing a closed source patch with who knows what inside and with the power to disrupt and damage the community with 1 flick of the off switch, now, i am led to beleive several of the patches i am hearing about are going to be open source. This is excellent news, i truely hope these patches have all the required functions and can be released asap with source, this will totally bypass the issues and users on this site that chose to fight against it, the cat as someone said, will be out the bag, and Ghost will not even have to worry about a vote.

Good luck to all those now developing open source patches outside of WmW, i look forward to seeing your results and moving past this issue, and unitiing large chunks of the previously divided community, this will ofc pave the way forward for ongoing increases in user base as other p2p begin to struggle with their own issues.

Mick832 · « **Reply #16 on:** October 04, 2007, 10:12:13 am »

Quote from: ..Ñøßß¥.. on October 04, 2007, 09:24:44 am

Folks that do not understand this issue are somewhat ignorant, those who do understand the issues and are still against open source are idiots, thats my opinion, and in my mind ofc, fact.

I guess I fit in to the above Nobby. I still have concerns that a completely open source patch can be altered and maybe offerred to new users on a Pay per Use WinMX site. I also wonder what else can be modified on a open source patch, that may harm WinMX.

I agree that once a few people release open source patches then all this will be irrelevant. Thats why I still hope a combined effort patch comes out first, one that can be recomended by different factions already in WinMX.

Club · « **Reply #17 on:** October 04, 2007, 10:13:09 am »

Its all so complicated it seems.

I dont know that KM has really switched everything off though, as the good patch is still available to download for free. Its just harder to find than before.

The existence of this Forum remains a fantastic asset to the WinMx community - it would indeed be a sad loss if it were to suddenly disappear. Where else is there to go when the whole network goes down and, in the throes of panic, you need to find out what the story is?

A united WinMX community? I dream of the halcyon days of this network and hope we can recapture them soon, so I take my hat off and say thanks to any and all that have the dedication, skills and resources to moves us in that direction.

..Ñøßß¥.. · « **Reply #18 on:** October 04, 2007, 11:21:04 am »

Quote from: Mick832 on October 04, 2007, 10:12:13 am

I still have concerns that a completely open source patch can be altered and maybe offerred to new users on a Pay per Use WinMX site. I also wonder what else can be modified on a open source patch, that may harm WinMX.

The open/closed source debate it not relevant to the idea of people selling patches, for example, you can "buy" winmx from some sites now, and thats a closed source program right? There were even people trying to sell KM's closed source patch on ebay as i recall.

As for your concerns, i agree, its right to show concern, but you must also take into acount the simple facts of the matter, most of the proposed patch code is already in the public domain if you look around for it, and anyone with real intent and ability to mess with the network will do so, whether there is an open source patch or not.

The flip side ofc is, that open source will provide benifits that closed never can.

I would have preferred Ghosts team to have released an all encompassing open source patch, it would keep things simple, however if their work is hindered and constantly abused, then an open source patch from a independant would be hugely welcome. Kind of ironic really, some of the tactics used by the pro closed source folks to slow down the patch/cache work here, may actually mean their power to vote over the format of any patch is removed as they will have no say over any independant patch thats released, lol

chuck · « **Reply #19 on:** October 04, 2007, 01:08:00 pm »

Nobby i agree 1oo% Winmx has been closed source from day one but a quick google of winmx turns up 10 or more sites that wish to sale you a free program. So being closed source will never stop some people from trying to charge for it.

The fact is people that wish for a upen source patch will work on one and one day have it no matter what those wAnting a closed source patch may say.The same goes for the closed source patch wantting people they will have one.

I see no need to vote , argue ,cry or bitch its going to happen. I dont worry about the patch as much as i worry about the people that run the servers we see now how one ass hole(saber) can try to block users if they get a hair up their arse.Thats why i think we need many more than one or 2 running servers. I know there are more running them now just saying that the servers are the ones that can really mess up users running winmx.