Author Topic: Web Based Hashcode Tools Now avaliable. (Read 10662 times)

~~Josh~~ · « **on:** September 23, 2009, 03:20:27 am »

I worked on this for about 4 hours today hope you like it.

Everything goes in the same text box.

<RoomName_Hash>
<Hash>
<IP:Port>
<IP>

http://patchwinmx.com/hashtools/

If you find any bugs or have suggestions please let me know.

Pri · « **Reply #1 on:** September 24, 2009, 02:31:25 pm »

Looks good, works. In my room I have some code in the bot that converts the IP to Hash and then checks the Hash against the room listing and tells the admins which room(s) (If any) that user is hosting.

Perhaps you could integrate that functionality in to your hashtool so that when you put in an IP Address it uses it to check the current list of hosted rooms to find any matches. Would be a natural progression of the tool I think

GhostShip · « **Reply #2 on:** September 24, 2009, 06:24:56 pm »

Is there a need for such an application ?

If there is it would be good to know before a potential crap storm fires up with Josh left holding the can for being helpful

~~Josh~~ · « **Reply #3 on:** September 24, 2009, 07:39:45 pm »

Pri, unfortunatly I won't be adding that to this tool. But I can say I will be changing
the colors lol. And "trying" to improve the layout. I hate web design.

But this is useful for people trying to get their
ip or trying to generate their hash if they need it etc. It does the same thing those Bot scripts and hashcode decoders can do so it's not like it's new. Just easier because no download is required n

Pri · « **Reply #4 on:** September 24, 2009, 08:03:07 pm »

Quote from: GhostShip on September 24, 2009, 06:24:56 pm

Is there a need for such an application ?

If there is it would be good to know before a potential crap storm fires up with Josh left holding the can for being helpful

No there isn't a need for them at all but he asked for ways to improve the application and that would be an added feature in the same vain of what the application does.

GhostShip · « **Reply #5 on:** September 24, 2009, 10:54:15 pm »

I think we will have to disagree on the use of the word "improve" Pri, my real concern is while most folks would use it for fun and entertainment purposes I know a few hosts who have nothing better to do that wage room wars and that sort of application extention would be very hepful to them in terms of making it easier for them to do so.

Cheers for your friendly words anyway

Pri · « **Reply #6 on:** September 25, 2009, 02:30:49 am »

Quote from: GhostShip on September 24, 2009, 10:54:15 pm

I think we will have to disagree on the use of the word "improve" Pri, my real concern is while most folks would use it for fun and entertainment purposes I know a few hosts who have nothing better to do that wage room wars and that sort of application extention would be very hepful to them in terms of making it easier for them to do so.

Cheers for your friendly words anyway

Obscurity != Security

GhostShip · « **Reply #7 on:** September 25, 2009, 09:11:15 am »

I didnt imply there was any security in this case , the words I used where "easier" implying convenience, making the task harder is often all that is needed to ensure certain actions are not undertaken, as always a commited person would do the laborious task and pat themselves on the back.

Pri · « **Reply #8 on:** September 25, 2009, 03:55:53 pm »

So basically you're saying instead of having the Channel List built in to the page itself, the user just has to copy the hash that is spit out to there Channel List to filter to the rooms hosted on that IP.

What exactly can a malicious user do by that? If they know you, they already know the rooms you host, and they cannot damage your computer just by knowing what rooms you host especially if they already have your IP.

I think you overreact to much. I don't mean to be mean but I do seriously believe that. First with the server we can not mention and now this. You should go work for the Chinese with censorship thoughts like this. And I don't mean offence I just think this stance is silly.

Fix978 · « **Reply #9 on:** September 25, 2009, 05:34:59 pm »

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What exactly can a malicious user do by that? If they know you, they already know the rooms you host, and they cannot damage your computer just by knowing what rooms you host especially if they already have your IP.

Use IP for DOS/DDOS

GhostShip · « **Reply #10 on:** September 25, 2009, 06:09:06 pm »

I make no bones about excluding malicious and irresponsible folks from advertising or luring people to use backdoored programs on this site Pri, as for your comments about the Chinese I,m not able to comment short of saying they dont do anything different than your own government does when it comes to eavedropping on folks.

If you feel taking the safe route is wrong then why dont you ask the opinion of the rest of the community with a vote ?

One thing is for sure I have been here to pick up the mess of many disasters and thus I have an idea about what they look like before they happen, no one stops you using your own WinMX site and saying what you like or dislike on it, I would be happy to see more folks who dont like the line we ask folks to tow to set up their own sites as thats what being a community is all about, but regardless, I saw potential for abuse and mentioned it, your opinion on the matter has been noted but changes nothing for me as it doesnt address the potential abuse issue.

As I said above lets have a vote on whether folks would rather I played safe or turned a blind eye to disasters in the making.

Pri · « **Reply #11 on:** September 25, 2009, 06:14:48 pm »

Quote from: Fix978 on September 25, 2009, 05:34:59 pm

Use IP for DOS/DDOS

If you actually looked at the site you would see that you can already get the IP from a Hash

If you go to the site right now and put any room name in from the Listing it gives you the IP, Port, Hostname/ISP

Quote from: GhostShip on September 25, 2009, 06:09:06 pm

I saw potential for abuse and mentioned it, your opinion on the matter has been noted but changes nothing for me as it doesnt address the potential abuse issue.

Abuse like what? The site can turn a Hash in to an IP and an IP in to a Hash already, there is no extra potential for abuse by automatically taking the hash produced and putting the name of the room in-front of it. You can still take the hash already made on the site and put it in to your WinMX to view which room the hash is for which you would have to do regardless.

GhostShip · « **Reply #12 on:** September 25, 2009, 07:33:28 pm »

I feel there is extra potential for abuse, I have already outlined a group of such abusers in a previous post, yes its possible to work your way through the roomlist but given the roomlist has over a thousand rooms in it there is some limitation of convenience (or ease), I had thought this time and labour limitation was self evident in preventing abuse of folks either to settle personal scores or victimise folks by the rooms they operate.

As I have already pointed out this is my opinion on the matter and its for what I see as common sense abuse/drama prevention reasons but I,m not forcing you to agree with me.

wonderer · « **Reply #13 on:** September 25, 2009, 09:42:56 pm »

In my opinion things must not be made more easy than they already are. In some cases it might be a handy tool, but before I have found the link to the website with this tool, my OS-calculator has done the job at ease.

It is about the same discussion to show IP in the rooms or not.

And I don't expect to see "spam this room" or DDos this IP" on this site

Pri · « **Reply #14 on:** September 25, 2009, 10:12:46 pm »

Quote from: GhostShip on September 25, 2009, 07:33:28 pm

I feel there is extra potential for abuse, I have already outlined a group of such abusers in a previous post, yes its possible to work your way through the roomlist but given the roomlist has over a thousand rooms in it there is some limitation of convenience (or ease), I had thought this time and labour limitation was self evident in preventing abuse of folks either to settle personal scores or victimise folks by the rooms they operate.

As I have already pointed out this is my opinion on the matter and its for what I see as common sense abuse/drama prevention reasons but I,m not forcing you to agree with me.

So you don't think this tool by Josh should exist regardless? Since I could quite easily take the IP from anyone in my room to get any Hash, or any room name from the channel list to get IP's by using that page. Quite a lot easier and more convenient than using a calculator which as you say is what you don't want.

Also what legitimate reason does the page have for allowing you to enter in someone else's IP Address? Because: if you want the Hash for your own room it might as-well detect your IP Automatically and only allow you to convert that to a usable hash without a text entry box. And also the ability for it to turn any room hash from WinMX straight in to an IP Address and Port should be removed as-well no?

I'm just raising some issues here because I'm a technologist and I'm very in favour in making peoples lives easier and giving information to anyone that wants and/or needs it. I don't believe in crippling something on purpose because it could be misused by a subset of society. If the world was like that we'd not have Jpegs because of child porn, we'd not have cars because of drunk driving, we'd not have the internet because of online fraud, we'd not have computers because of nuclear device simulations. You see my point yet? And although this issue on itself is insignificant its easy for small pockets of censorship to become big and then we have things like the great firewall of china and clean feed in Australia.

This is our internet people we need to stop worrying about what some small subset of people do so that we can move forward and progress.

Forested665 · « **Reply #15 on:** September 25, 2009, 10:49:33 pm »

i think the simplest way to put it is this pri... it enables them. we have locks on our car doors. yes they can still bust out the window and take what they want but if you leave it unlocked theyre more tempted to do something. there are a known group of people, and yes we should do everything to keep them calm. but when you enable someone to do something so easily it gives a constant to a new variable allowing any number of people we would never think about to perform such acts.

Yes it is fairly hard to shut someones net off or crash an NIC using just one port but you add two or three ports to the figure and a couple computers on different net connections and youve got yourself a potential crisis for a user.

GhostShip · « **Reply #16 on:** September 25, 2009, 11:43:05 pm »

I,m all for progress Pri but I balance that in my own mind with responsibility, it may be "progress" to create many tools that I know Josh and others can create but at what cost to the network ?

Sure we all want to see new things for everyone but if the mis-usage outweighs the good usage then I,m afraid my view is not one of "its not my problem stuff evryone else" I can only see this as something we wont agree on and also if you feel my having and voicing an opinion is "censorship" then I think there are many more issues we will disagree on.

Pri · « **Reply #17 on:** September 26, 2009, 01:28:43 am »

So are you saying this tool should not exist full stop. Because that is what I asked in my pervious post.

GhostShip · « **Reply #18 on:** September 26, 2009, 07:46:46 am »

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So you don't think this tool by Josh should exist regardless?

Tbh I thought this was a rhetorical question. The fact is the tool does exist and in a few forms and thus I dont see the question leading anywhere but I will clarify just so we are clear on what my concern was, the extra function you suggested would "improve" the funtionality that Josh then made clear was never going to be included in the script.

I hope that clears up any ambiguities.

Mr.Snicky · « **Reply #19 on:** November 01, 2009, 07:36:51 pm »

WinMX won't progress with all this downing the developers, and the people wanting to boost it.

It doesn't really matter what you think of someone's work dealing with WinMX - You use the program for whatever use you see fit. Whether it be a 3rd party application, or WinMx itself, or the network.

As this is supposed to be a "decentralized" network anyway, there should be no limitation on who has information either. So with having tools to "convert a hash to IP" (which it's an IP regardless) makes no difference if it's there or not, what matters is it's there for people who like to use it.

There will always be abuse on the network - I don't see it ever stopping. And there's nothing anyone can do about it either. Stop what is obvious and let the little fish swim.

Anywho, good job on the program, Josh.