How Did the Pie Info Team Get It So Wrong ?

[Max™]

Quick question,
some people still use the old fx1.3.9 and 1.3.10betta with the hosts file to connect,
this is not impacting floods on the wpn is it?
after all tey are only connecting their server

[Joshua203]

would you rather get a risky operation for a problem to completely cure/save yourself but could potentially kill you instantly on the table? or would you rather slowly bleed to death?

...honest question to all...

if i m not mistaking Stripes you ve stopped using winmx a long time ago, i can imagine why you don t care too much one way or the other

i m really wondering what it is we are offering this pie team?:

-i asume we offer them free use of the blocking and filtering patch? (especially because Eagle made it free too use in good faith for everyone!)
-i asume we offer them their own mainbar?
-free use of the peercaches that are now in use ans so well guarded that nody can even see them without being screened and voted about?
-a fair place and voice at the debate tables about winmx and it's future?

etc etc


oooh and who is gonna recode everything that will be broken when we are going down this road of cleaving this network in two?
who has the knowledge AND is still willing to do this? most of all because they re all quiters (like i read somewhere ... these are not my words!!!)

 Leo you know as well as i do and maybe even more that most of these users are not from the digital  age (to put it as nice as possible), they just don t understand and don t want to worry about it, they might even mistake in thinking ..the bigger the search result ..the better winmx is operating (thought WRONG sure but they just want to chat and download), geez if i remember correct you where a supporter yourself attacking us here at a certain point in time, did you forget your own attitude at that time towards filtering and blocking? i m sure you remember how intelligent the average user was that you helped connect

maybe it still is just the user and their team members we should try to convince if we can t convince Sabre and Raps



just ventilating some brainwaves here
Sorry if i offended anyone, that is not my intention but i think there is no lie in the above

[Blitzen]

Is there some evidence of what is going on via mxpie.info primaries, maybe some screen shots just so people reading this can see what is going on maybe ?

How about having a pre difined message made for people to send to everyone in their queues about updating their patch, surely with enough people sending out the same message with a link to the patch that will cover a large portion of the userbase if enough people participate

[White Stripes]

if i m not mistaking Stripes you ve stopped using winmx a long time ago, i can imagine why you don t care too much one way or the other

stopped out of frustration... blasted thing wouldnt work or work right... using community i was getting search 'results' for rare files from users that just plain didnt exsist... these users were just a few... like from 2 to around 5 or 6 users... this wasnt the massive 'yep its definitly a fake' results... ping in winmx itself showed a '?' traceroute on another machine (linux) from the de-hashed ip ...and i always double checked my dehashing to make sure i did it right... had 'no route to host' regular ping had 100% traffic loss and nslookup said that the host didnt exsist... yet these 'phantom' users ... sometimes the same usernames.. sometimes different... would still show in searches.... community patch didnt say it had blocked anything.... the numbers always stayed at '0' ..... only time those users didnt show was when i used kms retro 'dll lockin' patch but using that got harder and harder as the number of those users was waining as well...

started out as a puzzling ghost hunt and ended up with frustration saying 'screw it'.... im sure noone here wants about 20 0byte files that never find sources that work on their hdds....

so my wish for the split? well if the dll lockin patch which was technically splitting the network didnt show these 'ghosts' then hopefully dumping the pie.info will stop the cruft as well.... or put another way... make winmx useable again without making it harder for chat server hosts to operate.... (fxs possibly excepted... dunno why fxs wouldnt work with the current ws2_32.dll file tho)

[Joshua203]

Evidence  would be better then just "someone told us" i agree on that but messaging just any user?? how would you know if you were sending your message to a pie user? you got to be carefull not to bug people so much ..they could get annoyed and leave the network for a new reason ...lol

@ SilverStripes ... i know .. i followed your troubes on this board and if i thought i had something that would change things for you i would have said so, i m not on the cummunity either but i don t think what i'm using  had a locking system active, must admit i would n t know in what version that was hidden
but you got to realise you are one of the few having these troubles and therefor most will not be jumping for taking big chances on loosing users or loosing winmx completely, i m not a big time user anymore but i still love winmx verry much

someone said in this thread .. more questions to come.... but  where are the answers???? LOLLLLL

[wonderer]

@Joshua
To set this straight, my unwillingnes until about 4 years ago to trust the dll-patch was based on the fact who coded that patch.
Untill that time the hosts was the only methode that could be trusted 100% in my view.
I have been fighting in the mxpie info team to educate the helpteam not only to help to connect but also and mainly help to set up the proper protection. This has all been in vain and made me not exactly a favorite in the team.
The blocking of unwanted traffic never has had and never will have a high priority.
 
When I was offered a chance to look into the code of eagles patch and found it safe and sound, I have been shielded off from any contact to Sabre by the info team. That has been the point I decided to leave the info team like anyone else will find Sabre shielded off by the current info team. Those people are either too stupid or too ignorant to understand what is going on and simply refuse to  see how wrong they are doing.

For the info team I'm an outcast and I'm happy for that.

You have been asking for evidence, well, I've seen some clear screenshots in this thread, but maybe you don't understand them and don't see them as such. Look again, maybe you shoulld ask when something is unclear to you.

If you might be concerned about the thrd party programs that won't work without a modified hosts, well, the hosts contains IP addresses of the caches to connect to, remember?

[White Stripes]

ugh... i did it again.... apologies for the rant...

[Savage Blades]

Quick question,
some people still use the old fx1.3.9 and 1.3.10betta with the hosts file to connect,
this is not impacting floods on the wpn is it?
after all tey are only connecting their server

there is also an Eagle patched version of FX in the archives .

EDIT: And I have helped users who thought the only way to continue using FX was to maintain a hosts file patch (ie Pie 3.6), convert to the "Community Patch"

[Savage Blades]

Maybe someone wants to reply to this ???
About the Block List
https://forum.mxpie.info/mxpiehelptopic4503.html

[White Stripes]

that thread is.... confusing at best o.O

btw, reran winmx.... first time since dec 2009.... havent seen any of the phatom users but the blocklist has been improved since then.... so... *shrugs*

[Joshua203]

@ Wonderer

as i said i did not mean to offend you (or anyone else) i just wanted to remind you to the past where i m sure you must have noticed  these pie followers  are innoscent believers (maybe not the brightest in the bunch because of age or whatever but verry innoscent) we might want to disconnect  (at a point where we need every user that wants to be on winmx, don t forget we re being outnumbered by users we can t even read the filenames of and are hacking the shit outoff winmx)

I apologise in advance to people who are not the brightest that read this ....LOL

ooh righht yes i do remember the host file, i can still dream it, but if we re gonna block by changing a handshake or whatever the hostfile would n t work right?? maybe i m just worrying too much about this, maybe i m right ...or just a bit of both .. i dunnow.. i m not the brightest either ..

[Joshua203]

forgot to mention .. i ve seen that screen shot working live in the past and it does not tell verry much does it? it shows searches (to me anyway) yes there will be search bots mixed in there alongside the normal user searches.. in my opinion or to me it does not tell much especially if it s just  a screenshot standing stil

[Savage Blades]

If these say 'long time' winmx users suddenly had problems,
does anyone feel they woud go looking for answers ?  or just give up ??
Could answers be available for them if they went looking ?
Would they know where to look ?
How could some be informed BEFORE major change, that change WAS coming ?

[Savage Blades]

Joshua, who needs screen shots, if you are a community patch user,
Do a test search first
then close mx, rename your .dll or move it out..
get a "Hosts" patch and try for yourself, or anyone else, look carefully, make your own opinion on what your own eyes see...
There is never a need to 'listen' to someones else dribble, when you can see for yourself

But if you do this, please share your experience with others !

[Joshua203]

i don t have to Savage, i know exactly when my(KM's!!) modified patch aint filtering ..one search tells it all in most cases.. and i m not the one in doubt either..the avarage hostfile(pie)user is ..i guess  

Edit: some typo's

[wonderer]

@joshua
the most simple way would be, are you dll? welcome, not? go away. This both on cache as client and that could be seen as handshaking in which case the hosts solution to our caches will not work. But, the are you? could contain more then "dll" alone.

[Bluey_412]

hmm, even a moni/leechhammer type tool that could sort uploaders by their installed patch would be nifty too

the more transfers fail, the more they look for help...

[GhostShip]

Sorry for not being around a lot over the last day or so I,m a bit ill atm folks so my apologies for any delay in answering some of your queries.

One a good note I have worked out a technical solution to the data harvesting concern, thats of course good news, unfortunately it comes with bad news, it will require a new community pach release and the associated annoyance for all in swapping over to a new version  

Blitzen: I would prefer to not post "evidence" in this public place and reveal our detection capabilities to the attackers but feel free to post your room name here and I,ll pass by to show you some screenshots of the problem.

On the other note of "who is around to update items" that may be rendered "broken" ,as with times before I have issued many "fixes" for such programs but you,ll all be pleased to learn none of them will be affected by the "fix" I have in mind and thus nothing should change for the majority of WPN users including pie info ones.

I hope to bring you better news soon but for now I,m off back to my sick bed, catch you all soon.


[Update]
I have been over to pie info and replied to the thread where an anti-wmw poster makes bold claims with little in the way of real facts, faced with such ignorant people its hard to discuss things rationaly but I have made the attempt.

[Update 2] The operator of the pie info site has childishly blocked my IP from their site I suspect this likely means they may attempt edit my post but  of course I have made an archived copy as per standard when dealing with serial topic hiders so I,ll rely on the rest of you to keep me abreast of any strange words reportedly being said by me on another site

[Bluey_412]

Noted and well done!

[Joshua203]

well i don t know what to say anymore without getting rude or ungratefull, it might be best for me to pull out of this discussion and wait and see what happens and who will be able to do this (and how etc etc), a new forced update (again) shees .. i still don t think it s smart is all i can say (because it s guaranteed we ll loose some users ..again)

i don t want to be called dumb again or hear i have trouble with my english ....lol
been thinking of posting some sarcastic "evidence" and i think it would be funny but you all might be offended so i ld better not even do that

i hope you do the smartest thing, i hope old dll users will still connect .. goodluck with  your desisions guys maybe i just think it all sounds too easy ..i dunnow, i ll shut up now and wait and see.

hope you get well soon Ghost