How Did the Pie Info Team Get It So Wrong ?

[Savage Blades]

Joshua203
why stop now ?
this is "think tank".....
we ALL want to hear other's views not matter what..
Twisted, straight, spot on, completely wrong, or even, out of this world, opinions or views are needed !

They inspire new ideas, thoughts and opinions...
even if that thought is of a  " sarcastic " nature....
 
Agree ? Disagree ? Can't decide ?
I think they call this debating.

LOL..edit.edit.edit "who knows something you may have to say, may change another's "set in stone opinion" by making them think about things in a completely "new light" ??

[Joshua203]

i dunnow Blades, i m just upsetting myself here i guess and most are just gonna hip hooray here i think .. i thought those people where in the pie team  

you did however put a smile on my face again thanks

maybe i m too suspicious atm for various reasons i dunnow, it all sounds a little too honkeydorey to me.. i may be dutch but i m not wearing wooden shoes...and i am still pro dll and even probably pro WMW, i ll be following this thread for a while ..just wait and see..it's better , for me anyway
anduh there's just a few in this world that understand my sarcasm, the rest always thinks i m serious when there's only a sharp undertone (is that good english???? LOL)

thanks blades, it did do me alotta good reading your reply

EDIT!: typo's and a oneliner added  

[Max™]

Hey Joshua,
dont worry about how good or bad your English is, im English and i cant spell/type, i make so many typo's you could write a book,
as for pulling out of here, dont... believe it or not, you help alot pf ppl, you have good advise, good ideas & you dont beat around the bush,
so what if you may or may not offend someone? i've done that too, we all say things we think we shouldn't afterwards, but that is life,

[GhostShip]

My thanks to Max and Blades here for their rather fine words of support to Joshua, as long as we can all openly discuss topics together we need have no fear or uncertainty as regards the future, well done the pair of you  


Whats troubling you Joshua ? Be blunt and simply ask for what you would like to see and I,ll do my best to deliver up the goods I cant say any better than that, if your question involves something I would prefer not to have published in public we can still chat in your room or in PM here on the site, we have no secrets from long time WinMX users but we have to trade this in some way with not helping our enemies any further that necessary, I hope you see I,m simply trying to strike  a balance here but if this is the sort of information you seek the scales will always fall in your favour.    

All are welcome to post here and as long as their is no unnecessary foul-mouthing all posts will stay, so please ask whatever you like, we cannot operate without your support and thus your all very important people and have a right to speak your mind, please do so,  thank you all  

[wonderer]

Well, according to a post of raps in  the thread at mxpie.info all problems are solved if we just all install peerblock with bluetacks lvl 1 blocklist and use the piepatch 3.6.

So what is all the fuzz about? (note the sarcastic tone)

I once more adviced this blindfolded info.team to at least come and hear what is going on on the peer. Sadly I don't have high hopes it will ever happen that they will see the light.
If I keep my eyes closed I can't see you so you can't see me. Good policy or not?

[GhostShip]

Its pretty clear they seem not to want to discuss the issue  in any detail atm, I will continue making posts over on their site whilst able (thankfully my isp swaps the IP every 24 hours so for the moment I,m unblocked) and I hope we can get past the name calling stage and actually get the attention of someone who cares for the winmx network as we do and who will discuss the problem with us rationally.

[Savage Blades]

I am very optimistic that 'something' is happening here

https://forum.mxpie.info/mxpiehelptopic4503-30.html

I have made quite a few posts on there and it still exists !
I have never seen such a thread last this long without being deleted
please no-one get on this thread if you have not been involved already
but is worth a read

[Joshua203]

thanks to y ou too from here too Max

i have a feeling i m walking around in circles, what's troubling me?? loosing too many users that will not update because they don t want to or even not know how, why  and where, how many users did we loose on the last DNS dance (forced update?) ?? i can only wonder, don t forget that even a pie user is a user.. smart or not .. and we need as many as possible (i m quite sure you are aware of that)
in my book it s like:
split the network = split userbase and loose alot of them
force an update = loose the less informed or stubborn users

i start having doubts on "Doom and destruction will come if we do n t act now" , it does however create some nice traffic on a slowly dying site did the chatroom fill up again too? nice gossip on winmx ..man it s freaking alive again we attrackt attention do n't we? LOL sorry these thoughts cross my mind sometimes

lets face it if you don t want to be watched by big brother ..pull your internet plugg because you will be logged anywhere you go
sure trying to reduce the risc is a good thing! but they are smarter than we are and find new ways if needed, after all the ones logging us have a whiole lot of monney to spend to hire people for investigations, coding  and such
on the other side (our side) ..our coders quit, run away  (kicking and screaming sometimes).. one can only wonder why!, are "we" too demanding? setting too much limmits? or just rude to them all the time?

some stuff just don t add upo in all this.. like.. on may 8th you say i got a solution ..a day later on the other forum you say you don t ??? now what is it??? one or the other?

i know i am on the trusted userlist or i would not have some extra acces on here, i must be trusted to not post some info on other sites or blab about (and i won't), i m still gratefull for that especially because this info is really over my head (but still intresting sometimes)

damn i hate to be in discussions like this .. i even hate reading them heheheh

[Joshua203]

ooh and PS ..in all the time i was ever on here not a single post of mine was deleted.. so i m not so worried about staying within some limmits 

[GhostShip]

What I have said Joshua is simply that I have a solution at this time that exists only in theory until i can get a hold of eagle to turn it into a practical item, I hope that clears that up for you.

Also I am still working hard in one form or another to get pie info to come to the discussion table to at least discuss this problem, making a change in how community patch users are able to use the network will affect both them and pie info users at some level and I keep stating to anyone who will listen that this will only be done as a last resort so whilst I will ask Eagle to work on a new patch I,m hoping we wont have to use it due to the cost in potential lost users on both sides of this.

I,m disappointed that you sometimes feel this is all a game and that anyone here would make stuff up to gather more traffic, what good will more traffic do for this site when we are already the biggest winmx site and we don't have any adverts that require us to generate such traffic, think about that please.

If pie info will not come to the table to talk then a new patch will have to be issued and will contain an incompatibility with the existing network, there is after all no reason anyone should be spied on by illegal data harvesters, but put simply without the help of mxpie info in blocking access to the network attackers such data mining will continue unless we take action.

Unlike in your claim above  Joshua the attackers are not smarter than us they are just capable of throwing more money at more folks, when your talking about a file sharing network and the protocol it uses between each client they like ourselves can only make usage of the types of packet the network allows, they have no magicians that can alter history and add packets into the winmx client that dont exist already so in that respect they are like us stuck with using what they can to attack and for nearly 5 years now we have been holding them off not the other way around, I think that demonstrates just who the smart ones are.  

[Savage Blades]

Well I do not feel so optimistic about feedback from p info team anymore..

Jake, you are right users of winmx MUST have some form of IP blocking... filtering is a huge bonus too !!

Please, consider this, one Patch "ensures" blocking AND filtering takes place..
The other, blocking is optional,
although always strongly suggested by this team.

You only need to look at the help threads on this forum to see..
Users are unwittingly connecting winmx on primary, to the network, with NO blocking what so ever..

This debate has never been about which people are better or worse...
I am sure you guys are great !
I would love to even catch up and have a beer with some of you one time  If distance permitted..

We all love winmx !!!!
Otherwise why would we make sites like this, devote our time and resources, with only payment of a smile..

But it is about what is best for winmx..

Jake's response

I see the flaw now in that if a user just downloads mxpie.info patch but even though advised does not install a third party blocking program and connects primary they are then allowing attackers onto the network and thus allowing those attackers to go about their business unimpeaded by connecting as a secondary user to the unprotected primary user.

i guess both parties need to talk and see if a common ground can be reached if for nothing else for the satfey of the users, egos must be put aside if you truely care about the winmx network

While my post seemed to have awakened "Jakes" thoughts on the diifference between different connection methods,
it has done little to promote response from the P info team..
But in my mind yet another effort has been made, with little more than a "yawn" from them in response.
Yet my heart holds onto hope, that the thread still exists, is the ice breaking ?

[Joshua203]

What I have said Joshua is simply that I have a solution at this time that exists only in theory until i can get a hold of eagle to turn it into a practical item, I hope that clears that up for you.

that even answers two questions, it even answers the WHO question lol.. GREAT

i like simple, short answers as you allready know i hope

Also I am still working hard in one form or another to get pie info to come to the discussion table to at least discuss this problem, making a change in how community patch users are able to use the network will affect both them and pie info users at some level and I keep stating to anyone who will listen that this will only be done as a last resort so whilst I will ask Eagle to work on a new patch I,m hoping we wont have to use it due to the cost in potential lost users on both sides of this.

another great answer.. i m happy things are not thought of too lightly making us jump in wrong directions in some sort of panic

I,m disappointed that you sometimes feel this is all a game and that anyone here would make stuff up to gather more traffic, what good will more traffic do for this site when we are already the biggest winmx site and we don't have any adverts that require us to generate such traffic, think about that please.

sorry i tend to have that watching political debates containing unclear stuff.. and lets be honest the site was not moving much anymore.. but yes i know i can be somewhat overly suspicious sometimes.. what good would it do?? perhaps getting more people to switch to the right patch (and i still agree it IS the right patch no matter if it s Eagles work or KM's ..Eagles is just a different aproach of doing almost the same..allmost because 3.1b6 had some extra's ..we all know that i guess)

I too am affraid pie will never give in and wise up... i m still hoping like you are but chances are slim

and finally about our attackers well i did say they had cash to throw didn t i? they can buy their smarts, but we do have a hard time understanding how they jump in.. in some way we are guessing as much as they are but they re likely to have a longer breath and more cash/smarts
we have been smart i guess/know thanks to mostly KM but Eagle proved to be valuable to us too

i just hope we make wise moves if we move at all thats it

Edits! : typing cleanups again

[Joshua203]

While my post seemed to have awakened "Jakes" thoughts on the diifference between different connection methods,
it has done little to promote response from the P info team..
But in my mind yet another effort has been made, with little more than a "yawn" from them in response.
Yet my heart holds onto hope, that the thread still exists, is the ice breaking ?

i posted in some other thread there i thought this Jake is actually someone else, am i the only one again having a suspicious feeling? LOL he s a freaking guest there defending over and over ....hmmm it must be me again LMAO

[Savage Blades]

Ah Joshua, my friend,
Jake's response is possibly what I referred to earlier ....
" change another's "set in stone opinion" by making them think about things in a completely "new light" ?? "
He can now see the wisdom in "Built in IP blocking Patch" vs. "Nothing Patch"..

Yet, I still feel he needs to see the value in "filtering"

[Joshua203]

lol...true and to the point..lets hope it sinks in at last

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Whilst it is all pretty gallant to try to resolve this situation all long term users here know what the outcome will be ... more bullshit more accusations thrown about and basically more of the same from the last 5 years .... jeezz they cant even sit down to discuss in a rational manner after all this time on something so important.

There has never been a better chance of survival by cutting out the dead wood than now and rebuilding winmx with the advent of the digital economy bill & various other guises of the same in other country's being considered in present times & the users of torrents and file hosts (who don't know a way round this)  getting jittery over the actions taking place.
All these people are not gonna suddenly give up file sharing over night and will be looking for a safer place to go and where better than winmx to go to especially with all the dead wood cut out, yes some users will be lost but in the main these will be made up of the ones who are causing the problems in the first place by there ignorance to do the right thing & those to stubborn to get over there egos to do the right thing.

The rest of the users will have the common sense to find out whats wrong and switch over anyway using the safe method of connection.... living and clinging on to things from the past & trusting in ego maniacs is what has got us into this situation now.. do we want more of the same for the next 5 years or do we need a fresh start at a time when millions of users out there are becoming scared of other file sharing methods & are there ripe to tempt back to a stable more secure winmx?

That said i can now go back to my sick bed .... bloody sure ghost must be spreading germs via the forum as i have had a severe case of man flu for over a week now ( thats what the other half tells me i have who has the tamer version of it atm as well) 

[GhostShip]

OI !!

[Savage Blades]

Now Joshua here's another, to make you smile
Talk about an "opinion set in stone"
Fortunately for winmx people like this haven't been a part of the recent threadS over on P.info.
A fresh take, a fresh voice, and patient, optimistic, unbiased words all help..

Whilst it is all pretty gallant to try to resolve this situation all long term users here know what the outcome will be ... more bullshit more accusations thrown about and basically more of the same from the last 5 years .... jeezz they cant even sit down to discuss in a rational manner after all this time on something so important.

If we all felt this way, no-one, would try...sad by true.. I asked early in this thread for someone. to reply to the thread titled Winmxworld blocklist useless

Sadly, no-one did, I had stepped back and waited, giving maybe someone with stronger knowledge and chance, but.. no-one did..

So yeah, like the brave "gallant', hell, even ignorant knight, I boldly stepped forward into the abyss...
I was given an opportunity to discuss this topic with not a P.info team member, but a 3rd party, on 'their' forum
and here's todays news !

Beat_Doctor  MXPie Team  

Sorry but I've been away from WinMX for some time, due to personal problems, but I remember the old fights between the WmW and Pie...

Anyhow I do like to get this meeting with the dudes from WmW... And I do acknowledge that the PeerGuardian or PeerBlock is optional and won't be the best solution at every occasion, as some will never install it... sad but true...

I have no problems with what's been written in this thread either and I look forward to find a solution that will help the users stay safe...

Again I ask that those not already in these threadS on P.info, step back, put you hands up and hang on for a roller coaster ride,
by far it is not over, but it is progress.
please visit the thread, and keep the counter rising !! Winmxworld blocklist useless https://forum.mxpie.info/mxpiehelptopic4503-45.html

[GhostShip]

Its good to see that reasonable words will often reach reasonable ears, I,m assured there other members of the Info team who want to ask some questions and gather some information and we here of course will do our best to show just what the problem is for those who may not know and what the solution options are, we all use this network and most of us know each other in one way or another so it does after all make sense that we can take some time to do what the users expect us to do, resolve problems together and not create them.

Lets hope others join with the Doc in wishing for a meeting, even if one lone ear has been reached its a victory for common sense and no one can deny that is worth some effort, my thanks for your support in this Blades, every voice of reason is appreciated. 

[Savage Blades]

All host files users need to unable to connect and be faced with a urgent update message,
They can not be trusted, to simply click the update as optional,
lack of network connection, however will give them the push they all need.

Now to do this, would require caches referenced in all released HOSTS file “fixes” ever released to be unavailable.

Right or wrong ???

EDIT: can text in an Update bar be made to flash ??