Author Topic: My personal ideas for a “safe” NEW WinMx file transfer system (Read 33055 times)

achilles · « **Reply #60 on:** September 17, 2011, 07:23:50 pm »

I have an English version of perfect dark, but I don't like the GUI and it would never connect. If the source code was available though it could be of some help.

achilles · « **Reply #61 on:** September 17, 2011, 07:26:29 pm »

Hans, I checked out the GNU project, and it sounds real promising. I'm going to try it out when I get home. Thanks for the info!

White Stripes · « **Reply #62 on:** September 17, 2011, 07:38:38 pm »

Quote from: achilles on September 17, 2011, 07:23:50 pm

I have an English version of perfect dark, but I don't like the GUI and it would never connect. If the source code was available though it could be of some help.

you need a really really big pipe for it to work.... wikipedia explains how it works... hans' idea just sounded a lot like perfect dark to me...

achilles · « **Reply #63 on:** September 17, 2011, 07:53:46 pm »

If you are referring to my bandwidth capability then mine is pretty big. I still couldn't get it to work. Can you Stripes? If your just joking about an actual pipe as in an object then I would have to say maybe if there was something in that pipe then maybe the user would think it's working when indeed it's not lol

White Stripes · « **Reply #64 on:** September 17, 2011, 08:17:05 pm »

Quote from: achilles on September 17, 2011, 07:53:46 pm

If you are referring to my bandwidth capability then mine is pretty big. I still couldn't get it to work. Can you Stripes? If your just joking about an actual pipe as in an object then I would have to say maybe if there was something in that pipe then maybe the user would think it's working when indeed it's not lol

gigabit big?

using 'pipe' as a joke yes due to a senator in the us referring to the internet as a 'series of tubes' cant remember the senator but 'pipe' and 'tube' references on the web have become common due to him...

btw, since im on dial theres no way i could use it...

...as an aside i never could get ants to work either... or gnunet... maybe gnunet might work now but i kinda doubt it.... torrent on the other paw... heh...

achilles · « **Reply #65 on:** September 17, 2011, 08:26:34 pm »

I get 50mbs down and about 8mbs up. My ISP throttles P2P traffic so I never reach above 1.5mbs down when using P2P clients. I'm thinking about seeing if I can get my service changed to something like 33mbs down and 25mbs up.

White Stripes · « **Reply #66 on:** September 17, 2011, 08:38:04 pm »

Quote from: achilles on September 17, 2011, 08:26:34 pm

I get 50mbs down and about 8mbs up. My ISP throttles P2P traffic so I never reach above 1.5mbs down when using P2P clients. I'm thinking about seeing if I can get my service changed to something like 33mbs down and 25mbs up.

well... it was made by the japanese for the japanese (and their insane internet connect speeds) so with that in mind along with that throttle.... you probably are constantly timing out...

...i think i found why gnunet (and similar like ants) dont work for me too...

Quote from: gnunet website

All peers act as routers and use link-encrypted connections with stable bandwidth utilization to communicate with each other.

a cyclist on the shoulder on the 'information super highway' cant help ferry the load of a mack truck traveling at 90mph..... ....if the future of mx drops support for the low-bandwidth secondary connects that would be the end of that too...

achilles · « **Reply #67 on:** September 17, 2011, 08:57:22 pm »

I feel bad for those that are still on dial-up! I would hate to have to live in an area that only has dial-up! I would have thought by now the only people that would have dial-up service is running around without cloths on with spears in there hands lol

White Stripes · « **Reply #68 on:** September 17, 2011, 09:21:01 pm »

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IP_over_Avian_Carriers
http://www.switched.com/2009/09/11/pigeon-beats-isp-in-60-mile-race-to-deliver-data/

maybe i should get some pigeons

Nickster2132 · « **Reply #69 on:** September 17, 2011, 09:41:50 pm »

achilles do you think you could give me a link to that English version of perfect dark or pm me with a way to get it

achilles · « **Reply #70 on:** September 17, 2011, 09:47:07 pm »

Nickster, when I get back home I will send you the link.

Nickster2132 · « **Reply #71 on:** September 17, 2011, 09:58:36 pm »

thank you much appreciated

Hans-Linux · « **Reply #72 on:** September 18, 2011, 02:22:14 am »

Quote from: Silver Stripes on September 17, 2011, 07:09:35 pm

@hans ... take a peek at a p2p system called 'perfect dark' .... might be in for a surprise...

I will try to install and run it under Wine.

Hans-Linux · « **Reply #73 on:** September 18, 2011, 02:51:45 am »

Quote from: achilles on September 17, 2011, 04:00:14 pm

Hans, I don't understand what you mean by having an vuze directory service plugin integrated into the client to eliminate the need to search, and download torrents. Could you elaborate a little more on that? The last thing we need is another torrent client. Utorrent is my choice of torrent clients because it's so light and doesn't come with any garbage bundled with it. The thing is there are already so many of them, and i believe we would like to have our own WinMx like network independent of torrent trackers. If you could explain a little more about what the plugin is intended for I would like to do some of my own research. Thank you for your expertise Hans!

Azureus (Vize) has Plugin that provides anonymity through the i2p network. It still requires that you search and download torrent files from the usual sources. This EXISTS and does not have to be developed!

A Plugin proving what I call a "Directory Service" would add a facility, like WinMx has, to seach for and list the files matching the seach criteria of files available for download on Seeders that use the Directory Service Plugin. Once a file has been selected, The "Directory Service" would provide the information that is usually provided by the torrent file. The tracker would be hosted on the Seeder or Peer.

UTorrent is closed and copy righted source without anonymity and can't be used and adapted for the intended purpose. Azureus isd open source and can be adapted to have WinMX like interface and stripped down to the bare bones by a competent Java coder..

Hans

Hans-Linux · « **Reply #74 on:** September 18, 2011, 11:36:34 am »

Quote from: Hans-Linux on September 18, 2011, 02:22:14 am

Quote from: Silver Stripes on September 17, 2011, 07:09:35 pm
@hans ... take a peek at a p2p system called 'perfect dark' .... might be in for a surprise...

I will try to install and run it under Wine.

I downloaded and installed Perfect Dark but could not get it to work. No English installation and user instructions. Closed Code. Has not been updated since considerable time and will wither away if "Kaicho" gets steel bracelets. Thus can easily happen in Japan.

Close examination showed that it appears to be a "Freenet" application like "Frost". See http://jtcfrost.sourceforge.net/ and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freenet.

The good or bad? about it is that Perfect Dark and FreeNet encrypts and stores uploaded files in caches on user machines. This means they are still available after the original up-loader has left the network. When I installed Perfect Dark, it created a 50 Gigabyte cache! That was 50% of the available space on the partition!

Something like Perfect Dark could be a good replacement for WinMx if open source and used on top of Freenet or I2p Network.

Perfect Dark is useless without English installation, configuration and usage instrutions.
Hans

Bluey_412 · « **Reply #75 on:** September 18, 2011, 01:27:52 pm »

So we come to needing translators again, but the other way, this time

English to Japanese/Japanese to English seems to be a problem

Bluey_412 · « **Reply #76 on:** September 18, 2011, 01:32:41 pm »

Quote from: achilles on September 17, 2011, 08:57:22 pm

I feel bad for those that are still on dial-up! I would hate to have to live in an area that only has dial-up! I would have thought by now the only people that would have dial-up service is running around without cloths on with spears in there hands lol

We have some of those here, but they still get broadband if desired, via satellite, courtesy of Aussie Govt subsidy programs, and the NBN, coming soon to a town (Or bush community) near you

achilles · « **Reply #77 on:** September 18, 2011, 01:47:01 pm »

Hans, my GUI was in English, but I don't remember much about the installation itself. Maybe I need to send you the installer i have. I honestly did not like Perfect Dark because of several different reasons. One which you already sited. The huge cache it creates. I Don't care much for the GUI either. If the source code was available, and one stripped away the GUI then maybe the transfer mechanisms could be useful. They may be useless to without actually getting to see them. I installed the GNUNET client you mentioned on w7 Ultimate and I kept getting error messages, and I difnt have time to trouble shoot last night. I will give it another try tonight. I think the GNUNET client is the best route to go at this point if it proves workable. I just think it will have to be over simplified for less experienced users. Well.. I hace to go. Im on My iPhone at work. Later WinMxers.

Hans-Linux · « **Reply #78 on:** September 18, 2011, 03:14:32 pm »

Perfect Dark is the followup replacement for WinMx in Japan. 56k dial up should work if it is appropriately configured.
I found a Japanese fellow who will translate the manual to help me get it installed on his PC so he can download Japanese Samurai Pxxn.

At this stage I believe the best is to either go with the command line version of GNUNET adding a WinMx style user interface. Or something simple that runs on FreeNet or I2P. I somehow like the FreeNet cache. This would replace my "upload directory". Currently at about 60GB. I also like Azureus. It installs with configuration setting "Beginner" and can be changed to "Intermediate" and "Advance" configuration options. This is a great help if you have problems with Firewalls, Routers and NAT.

Hans

achilles · « **Reply #79 on:** September 18, 2011, 04:31:07 pm »

Hans, is there any way to modify GNUNET so that users can connect as a secondary if they don't have much bandwidth to share due to still being back in the stone age with their dial-up service? Also can C++ coders work with you on this project? I'm not a coder, but since C++ is based off C I thought maybe some parts of the client could be coded in C++. Is this possible? You already mentioned Java could be used to create a plugin for the client.