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WINMX WORLD VS VLADD44
« on: June 01, 2006, 09:31:32 am »
Hello everyone my name is Quick_Slide as you can see. For many months now i have been ready as many topics that are posted here as i can, the reason for this is so that i can understand what is going off in the WinMX Society. One thing that i have noticed is that there is alot of bickering from both WinMXWorld and Vladd44's sites and forums. If you will allow me i would like to go back before the crash of WinMX.

WinMX as far as users like me could see was working just fine, as we all know WinMX for whatever reason shutdown. Many people made the effort to get WinMX back for users like me. I have tried the Hosts Patch (Pie Patch) and i have tried Dll patch (WinMX Group Patch) and the dll patch works better for me, this is not because i favour anyone its because i noticed that the Pie Patch used up alot of resources on my PC.

Now all of the bickering that is going on is deluding everyone from the truth and the truth is WinMX is back now. I do not care who did what and why let the users decide on what patch they use. If Vladdd or any of his companians stir shit as you have stated many time now let them, but as WinMX world you should not stoop down and bicker over the matter.

I as a WinMX user when looking at both Vladd44's forum and winmx world's forum i am sickend by all of the comotion. We all know what should be done and that is to work together. I know this is not a easy subject to either bring up or sort out but please please please, Don't bicker be adult like as much as you can no matter what your age is.

This post is not a Flaming Post or a Biast post its a post of someone who is looking at matters from both sides. It is also a post of the way i see it as a WinMX user

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Re: WINMX WORLD VS VLADD44
« Reply #1 on: June 01, 2006, 10:00:10 am »
I suspect it wasn't that Pie patch used resources on your PC, more that flooders did, something that could have been addressed more effectively much earlier, had less bickering taken place.
There's nothing inherently wrong with pie patch ITSELF, other than needing to manually keep it updated... (currently it tries to address 2 caches with changed IP addresses & needs updating), the problem is it does NOTHING to address fake flooding, currently one of the major problems on winmx, & sufficiently an issue it tends to put new users off, something particularly important to avoid, given the reduced user-base & therefore greatly reduced number of GENUINE files to search..
The use of additional software to help with this IS now being encouraged, but I fear it's too little too late, the flooders have been allowed back on in force, connecting through unprotected primaries.

I think this is a fair account of what has taken place, it's certainly not intended as a flame, or to be antagonistic.. just as my view of what has passed.
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Re: WINMX WORLD VS VLADD44
« Reply #2 on: June 01, 2006, 05:14:16 pm »
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I as a WinMX user when looking at both Vladd44's forum and winmx world's forum i am sickend by all of the comotion. ***

ok, you win.  http://www.vladd44.com/ is offline.

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Re: WINMX WORLD VS VLADD44
« Reply #3 on: June 01, 2006, 05:43:18 pm »
I,m getting nothing from the link above  :?

Has anyone contacted anyone who knows whats going on over there, Vladds room is the place to ask I suppose but I,m not very welcome in there.

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Re: WINMX WORLD VS VLADD44
« Reply #4 on: June 01, 2006, 05:51:19 pm »
i would have asked, however upon saying something i was immediately muted, on attempting to get unmuted i was banned... you know that room everyone is welcome in etc...

from what i can see the site appears to have moved to a new IP Address - the old IP no longer hosts the site, hence an error - once the DNS cache expires you'll use the new IP. The new IP Address seems reachable from only some locations - which is odd to say the least, mainly because 2 systems on the exact same ISP (but different IP Addresses) both get data as far as the host then one gets nothing from the server and the other gets a response... oh well

guess his host moved it to a different server, and forgot to check the new one worked first - lol

can't say i would be happy to see it restored quickly... take your time by all means... :-)

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Re: WINMX WORLD VS VLADD44
« Reply #5 on: June 01, 2006, 06:00:44 pm »
Well that answers that question then, I,m just a click and wait man,  mind you if it doesnt arrive on time I start looking for the anti p2p folks serving paper

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Re: WINMX WORLD VS VLADD44
« Reply #6 on: June 01, 2006, 06:06:06 pm »
  I hear he is trying to get a Work Permit  so he can move to the UK.Why does he want some thing he will never use?Is he going to0 stay with you KM or Gem?
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Re: WINMX WORLD VS VLADD44
« Reply #7 on: June 01, 2006, 06:09:22 pm »
perhaps he's afraid of the US police forced and a night with a large friend and wants to escape to the UK to be safe? lol

i hope he gets his night with a friend...

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Re: WINMX WORLD VS VLADD44
« Reply #8 on: June 02, 2006, 07:09:15 am »
15 min ago the site was working ok..  so the first error 'no page configured' was fixed

then.. poof..  as i was reading posts and tried to select a new thread.. I got:

"SUSPENDED

This Account Has Exceeded Its CPU Quota

Please contact this site's webmaster.

Wait a few minutes and use your browser's "Back" button or click here to try again.

If you are the webmaster, your account may have exceeded for one or more of the following reasons:

    * Your site has used more than 20% of the cpu.
    * Your account has too many processes running at the same time.
    * Your site was consuming too many resources. This happens on occassion to very busy sites that have inefficient scripts running.

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Re: WINMX WORLD VS VLADD44
« Reply #9 on: June 02, 2006, 07:16:44 am »
LOL, that's common enough there...
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Re: WINMX WORLD VS VLADD44
« Reply #10 on: June 02, 2006, 01:22:57 pm »
...it's back to normal then? :-P

seems to be allowing connections now, although yet again he didn't bother to adjust the TTL before changing IP Address so some people are still trying to access their old web server, which gives a standard cpanel "no site" error

a shame... i hoped it would take them longer to solve :-P

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Re: WINMX WORLD VS VLADD44
« Reply #11 on: June 05, 2006, 10:42:42 am »
good job the maggot site was down ...........pitty it restarted........ winmx and the community would be better served if it was shut permanantly...............

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Re: WINMX WORLD VS VLADD44
« Reply #12 on: June 08, 2006, 04:08:07 pm »
JIM-921 Said this on another forum: http://www.vladd44.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?t=7866

(it is also clear that by the use of built in countermeasures to flooding and fake files the WMW .dll patch WILL be challenged and WILL lose based on specific case law concerning the ability to manipulate the network for less than legal p2p reasons, thereby showing the ability to also use that manipulation to block illegal file trading.)


 Your logic is flawed. Just becouse you do not include the ability to block in the pie host file does not meen it can not be done. Just saying it it cant be done has been used by every P2P program that has came under the eye of the RIAA and MPAA and all have lost.
 And where is it said that blocking flooding and fake files is good for less than legal p2p reasons? Flooding and fake files have nothing to do with legal P2p use. If im wrong in this set me stright.
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Re: WINMX WORLD VS VLADD44
« Reply #13 on: June 08, 2006, 04:20:21 pm »
I ask only this of either Jim or Nobby, where is any pictures or proof to support your claims of flooding ?

Lets see the truth of the matter here and now and how far pie will go to distort a simple idea that was being tossed about and not for the first time.

The users are waiting...

[update]

I have spoken to Jim and he has said his reply was based on Nobbys "facts" so I hold him blameless.

I hope Nobby provides the proof of the allegation of flooding, a "paper" suggestion that Nobby took part in is not the same thing as actually doing something Nobby.


While I was in the Vladd room I was told of the death of a room member, I hope tempers are held in check at this upsetting time, I pass on this sites condolences.  :(

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Re: WINMX WORLD VS VLADD44
« Reply #14 on: June 08, 2006, 04:31:28 pm »
that entire thread is a joke, they are talking about all the flooding i am supposedly doing, yet you can bet your arse if i was flooding the very least they would do is post screen shots of it

Although i found Jim's comment even funnier, yes, because filtering search results is against which law again? i am pretty damn sure i have never seen any such law... and which "case law" is he talking about? i am not aware of ANY p2p related case EVER appearing in a UK court...

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« Reply #15 on: June 09, 2006, 02:10:29 am »
This is the reply from the site admins over at the other site, please note they chose to post there after banning those they speak about.

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As Ghost has asked for the post, here it is::

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07/06/2006 22:20:23 King Macro Nobby think love would have a problem with me firing up a few of my own flooders and flooding some search terms? i mean pie users can just use -user to filter out the macrovision flooders so she shouldn't, right?
07/06/2006 22:21:25 Nobby King Macro lol why on earth would u wanna do that?
07/06/2006 22:21:37 Nobby King Macro u wanna scare off some more users?
07/06/2006 22:22:00 King Macro Nobby why not? 3.0 users wouldn't see the "Filter fakes - https://www.winmxgroup.com" files, only those who need to update would
07/06/2006 22:22:57 Nobby King Macro and you could loose another couple of hundred users who dont know who the f**k you are or care, lol
07/06/2006 22:23:00 Nobby King Macro nice plan, not
07/06/2006 22:23:19 King Macro Nobby of course it wouldn't
07/06/2006 22:23:43 King Macro Nobby a few extra results on an already flooded list, they would either not notice or would read the instructions
07/06/2006 22:24:07 King Macro Nobby only people who would care are the idiots who have to admit that the only way to filter flooding properly is with my patch


07/06/2006 22:25:16 Nobby quartzdazzle km on msn now, doing his best to Wind me up/threaten
07/06/2006 22:25:23 Nobby quartzdazzle this is what im talking about
07/06/2006 22:25:37 Nobby quartzdazzle@ King Macro says: think love would have a problem with me firing up a few of my own flooders and flooding some search terms? i mean pie users can just use -user to filter out the macrovision flooders so she shouldn't, right?
07/06/2006 22:26:06 quartzdazzle Nobby yes he just asked me for search terms
07/06/2006 22:26:19 quartzdazzle Nobby not to hurt pie just to advertise the patch
07/06/2006 22:26:33 Nobby quartzdazzle great, so we have Winmxgroup actually adding to the flooding?
07/06/2006 22:26:39 Nobby quartzdazzle real helpful
07/06/2006 22:27:16 quartzdazzle Nobby one reply per search is all it needs nobby , and it does get the message out
07/06/2006 22:27:37 Nobby quartzdazzle doest change the fact its morally wrong
07/06/2006 22:28:08 quartzdazzle Nobby morally wrong is not using the pie be patient bar to tell folks to run pg 2
07/06/2006 22:28:57 Nobby quartzdazzle ahhh so 2 morally wrongs make a morally right?
07/06/2006 22:29:01 Nobby quartzdazzle i will remember that
07/06/2006 22:29:04 quartzdazzle Nobby no one will be injured , i told you withthe protocol anything is possible , thats the whole point of not publishing it
07/06/2006 22:29:40 quartzdazzle Nobby one line in a search result is not really bad news for most users
07/06/2006 22:29:45 Nobby quartzdazzle i will post a message on Pie quoting that, forget blocking flooders, no one will be injured so dont worry
07/06/2006 22:29:57 quartzdazzle Nobby your overeacting
07/06/2006 22:29:58 Nobby quartzdazzle perhaps i wil use that method to ad my new website?
07/06/2006 22:30:04 Nobby quartzdazzle nah thats not right, end of
07/06/2006 22:30:08 Nobby quartzdazzle laterz 


As i have already stated, if anyone thinks i am going to waste my time searching for a KM advert campaign, you are extremely misguided, if KM stopped short of actually carrying out this campaign, then its only because he has been shamed into re-thinking his approach. Kms comments and Ghosts supporting comments are more than enough for me to respond with the anger i have shown, to even consider adding to the flooding traffic is morally wrong, and any such action could even jeapodise any future legal action against the main stream flooders.

I am now sick to death of this whole senario, i have been doing my very best to talk to both teams and try to make a little common ground, stop hostilities and put forward workable solutions to reverse the current trends of userbase decline. Km's agenda is clear, destruction of Pie, thats his primary goal i have no doubt he will cause large loss to the user base with this goal, i fear power is going to his head, we have already seen a recent example of this.

Further to the above:

I have from this moment on decided to leave the Pie team, no big dramatic exit, just simply my goals are incompatable with those of Pie. I hope to continue to share the friendships made in channel and via the Pie team. I would however urge them to work to a goal of updating their stratagy in the very near future, its important to winmx that no 1 person has too much power, balance is the key to the future of winmx without balance it will become 1 mans play pen. The connection method remains valid and users enjoy the fact there is no hidden element to the solution.

Good luck.
 
   
 
So let me see Nobby has made the idea for advertising the new patch ( that he has spoken about with myself before and turned down on technical grounds last year ),
into a masssed attack on the WPN, as you can all see I have not said anything other than how it could be done if it was in fact carried out.
Neither myself or KM actually say we are doing as Nobby has claimed, this of course is backed up by the lack of any screenshots etc.

I respect Nobbys commitment to the WPN, if he had put that goal before one team or side as I have tried to then perhaps things would not have taken this turn.

 
This post followed from Bearded Bunder who is not a site admin there.

 
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Searching for it would indeed be wasting your time, since it's not there, if KM did run such a campaign, you wouldn't need to search specifically for it, the results would show up.
Just the same, I'm sorry to hear you appear to be giving up the struggle, I hope whoever takes your place is as dedicated to peacekeeping & the search for common ground, I've disagreed at times (just read up ), but I respect the efforts you've made & the obvious dedication to what you see as being right.


The next post is another site operator and pie team member who on two occasions today has been abusive, using foul language when asked about his post.

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hmmm.
nobby, first and foremost, i'm sorry for your recent decision concerning pie. you will be missed in those circles and i wish you would reconsider.

so, to the meat of the matter....

Quicksilver aka Ghostship aka aka aka aka... you storm into my room and demand an apology for my post in this thread, when you found i wasn't active in that channel you then chose to enter Vladd44 to also demand an apology. pretty foolish to expose yourself as the self righteous liar that you are. but as other folks from your camp said about nobby and i, liars are ALWAYS exposed aren't they? those pesky darned logs 

mxpie has always been about users choice, and in the matter of being sued by the anti p2p aggressors mxpie has chosen the high road legally, which is something that you would just never understand.

finally, yes the dll has some features in it that, if they were legally sound, would be ideal for the winmx environment. shame that case law has proven time and time again that if taken to task in a court of law mxpie stands on the grounds that we have provided a place for people to convene and employ free speech. these are basic rights. what the user does after that is up to them. whereas the .dll will certainly take a hard fall. who knows who will be implicated in that mess. not me.

one of two things will happen oh arrogant dll deployers, purveyors of fine features.

1: riaa sues all of us (mxpie and winmxworld) and shuts down .dll users and mxpie is left standing. in this scenario users will have to come to mxpie and we will gladly help you connect to the wpn.

or

2: riaa sues all of us (mxpie and winmxworld) and the network fails completely as a result of the fact that the .dll file was shown to be capable of filtering the transfer of illegal copyrighted content . in this scenario....we all lose.

so while the unequivocal ruler of winmx, KM, is waving his arrogance flag and belting out a hearty MWAHAHAHAHA from his mountain top, sun going down behind him, he is also plainly drawing attention to winmx for all the wrong reasons... good show m8. you are showing your age. while you are brilliant in matters of technical intelligence your maturity and demeanor are questionable.

in any event the petty bullshit continues. the bickering, the lying, and the deceitful nature of the way winmxworld does business employing demoralization tactics in the vladd44 help rooms and room crashing.

coming up on 9 months and the aggression continues

sigh
 

I hate to say this but it sounds as though Jim works for the RIAA publicity department, his grasp of UK law is poor to say the least, US laws such as the Grokster decision do not apply in the UK.
Also he clearly has no idea of what is or is not legal as regards blocking folks from your home PC,s, perhaps your firewalls and PG2 are illegal too in his eyes folks ?

I would also like to correct Jims misleading statement about giving folks a choice, no such choice exists on vladds site and links to winmxgroup patch are being removed even today months after vladd instituted an anti winmxworld campaign and banned many users from his site who spoke up in our defence as well as ourselves.

Jim has called me a liar above based on Nobbys statements, he seems unable to read in my opinion, as neither MSN conversation state we are carrying such an operation out.
I would not expect anything different from a team that attacks this site, the WPN and its users, and is run by a secret commitee.
I will not embaress Jim or Nobby with compromising MSN postings because I promised them both from day one that their messages where private, luckily for them I keep my word.

I hope we can all agree some folks will not see the truth even if its posted in front of them, prefering instead to see a bogey-man that does not exist.

KM, Me_Here and Myself are fully commited to restoring the network and we hope the sites, caches, and programs that have been made available over the past year show this commitment, this site operates on team work and a healthy love of helping others, I hope we can move on from this episode that has served only to show the venom and hate that exists in some peoples minds.

Anyone reading this post is free any day of the year to call me to account, I have nothing to hide and have always tried to respect the rights of those not sharing my outlook.
perhaps Nobby and Jim forgot that.




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Re: WINMX WORLD VS VLADD44
« Reply #16 on: June 09, 2006, 08:24:51 am »
The plan to ADD fakes to the network is there for all to see, if it took a rant from me to ensure it became public knowledge and prevent such stupid and imoral actions being taken then so be it.

And for the record, i wouldnt have posted private conversations either had it not been for the calls to publish these from those involved.

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Re: WINMX WORLD VS VLADD44
« Reply #17 on: June 09, 2006, 09:46:27 am »
ROFL   bit late for pie to be taking the morale high ground as pie have systematically sought to destroy winmx and what is wrong wiuth advertising the only true patch...........its hardlt flooding and certainly isnt a fake................realize this village idiot winmxworld does NOT answer to pie.....ever...........and we will do as we see fit if its in the best interests of winmx and the community..........your out of touch and out of time ..........pies days are numbered and the sooner the better

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« Reply #18 on: June 09, 2006, 12:02:11 pm »
ROFL   bit late for pie to be taking the morale high ground as pie have systematically sought to destroy winmx and what is wrong wiuth advertising the only true patch...........its hardlt flooding and certainly isnt a fake................realize this village idiot winmxworld does NOT answer to pie.....ever...........and we will do as we see fit if its in the best interests of winmx and the community..........your out of touch and out of time ..........pies days are numbered and the sooner the better

lol is it that time of the month again already? Time to roll out the IceTard, whats wrong tard, got bored hanging out under KMs desk?

Just remember IF KM ever gets total control you will have to suck down on him extra hard when he has a bad day in case he decides to take out his annoyance on winmx users, he already has thrown at least one wobbler, and once he gets in one of those moods i doubt even Ghost will be able to appeal for some reason, so even though you dont like Pie one bit, right now they are the best check and balance for Winmx, but i doubt you will understand any of that  :?

As for the issue of flooding, there is a big difference between not blocking and actively flooding, a very big difference. My personal views on blocking is part of the reason i am no longer a pie member.

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Re: WINMX WORLD VS VLADD44
« Reply #19 on: June 09, 2006, 02:36:58 pm »
You know, It went nice withought all the fighting. I was actually getting my hopes up that there might be light at the end of the tunnel. I guess I was wrong.

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