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Offline GnarlySnarly

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Re: WINMX WORLD VS VLADD44
« Reply #100 on: June 14, 2006, 05:30:21 pm »
Nobby If you wish to post insults at least add something to the discussion or do you have another agenda ?

Ice has put his case perhaps over strongly but he is thinking of the network in his posts, perhaps you could follow his lead ?

If by ICE, you mean the 'anonymous' bughunter as implied.  I do not agree.  And following his 'lead' would be detrimental to WPN.

If he really had the best interests of WPN at heart, he would stop with the lies and false claims, that tend to draw embarrassing factual refutes.  Giving tacit approval to his claims and tactics, making no attempt to correct his lies, does not speak well for the project.  If you really have WPN interests at heart, you have to stand up to and smack down those making exaggerated claims and unwarranted attacks.    If you are to gain respect and trust for making an effort to be objective, you have to speak out against and correct such deception and misinformation.  Leaving such tasks to the likes of me is not the best course here.  Set the tone.  Set the example.

You do not build respect for a product or program by making false, exaggerated claims for it, and less for unwarranted trashing of 'competitive' products.  I have no problem with making VALID comparisons, but extreme care should be used not to make overbroad false claims that WILL be challenged.  Would it not be better to understate the perceived value of a product or program, in terms that are far less likely to be challenged, and then let the community exclaim "it works even better than advertised"?  iow, positive advertising should be preferred over negative advertising.


Weren't some of the pay 'winmx' sites recently taken to task, not for p2p/piracy issues, but for 'false advertising'?

IMO, if the v3 DLL patch was being sold instead of being freely given away as it is, the claims consistently and intentionally being made by the core group, who I see as me_here, ghostship and KM, some governments could bring charges of false, misleading and deceptive advertising.  Only the fact that the DLL is not being marketed as a commercial, pay-for product shields it from government intervention at that level.

If you are in a position of responsibility here, you should take more care than usual in choosing your words.  If you want to be on the moral/ethical highground, honesty is most critical.  be very careful not to use the brush of generalities to paint and vilify entire groups or exceptions.  Whenever UNQUALIFIED assertions of absolutes such as 'all', 'best', '100%', 'every', 'total' etc are used, one thing is certain-- it is often false [under some circumstances/conditions].  Many who have taken a test or exam [in USA] are likely to know such terms are used in 'trick' questions.



Offline Bearded Blunder

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Re: WINMX WORLD VS VLADD44
« Reply #101 on: June 14, 2006, 06:45:43 pm »
Well try it this way, the DLL blocks flooders & flooded results 100% the vast majority of the time & a few escape during the detection process ONLY

Something that can't be claimed for PG & the -user search filter, PG leaves LONG windows for flooders to connect & -user leaves MANY fakes unblocked.  PG also BY DEFAULT blocks many legitimate ip addresses needlessly, & while these things are PARTIALLY effective at protecting the network they are a GREAT DEAL LESS EFFECTIVE, & in my opinion should be avoided as a solution & used as a last resort only.

the DLL does NOT "trash" the hosts file, it does however remove entries referring to cache servers  legitimately at runtime as these would interfere with it's operation, as i pointed out in a previous post, subsequently uninstalling leaves your winmx unpatched, in the same way as installing msn7 over msn 5 & then uninstalling msn leaves you without msn, not with msn5.. this is perfectly normal & expected behaviour, the patch being in my opinion an UPGRADE to your patching system.
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Faithless_Sniper

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Re: WINMX WORLD VS VLADD44
« Reply #102 on: June 14, 2006, 08:46:21 pm »
I am glad to see that people are posting replies relating to the topic and not to other things. I am also glad to see that KM as improved the patch so it blocks Fake flooders, this will help in many ways one being that if a user used the dll patch they will not see fake files and another being that the Cache Server will not be under as much traffic pressure not that KM would worry about that.

Offline GnarlySnarly

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Re: WINMX WORLD VS VLADD44
« Reply #103 on: June 14, 2006, 10:21:58 pm »
I am glad to see that people are posting replies relating to the topic and not to other things. I am also glad to see that KM as improved the patch so it blocks Fake flooders, this will help in many ways one being that if a user used the dll patch they will not see fake files and another being that the Cache Server will not be under as much traffic pressure not that KM would worry about that.

What topic do you see?!!!!!!???

I'm seeing "WINMX WORLD VS VLADD44"  and almost everything posted has been on on-topic pissing match.  That topic is the problem.  With that topic it is hard to have an objective pro-con technical discussion on the merits of the 'patches' themselves.


Well try it this way, the DLL blocks flooders & flooded results 100% the vast majority of the time & a few escape during the detection process ONLY

Something that can't be claimed for PG & the -user search filter, PG leaves LONG windows for flooders to connect & -user leaves MANY fakes unblocked.  PG also BY DEFAULT blocks many legitimate ip addresses needlessly, & while these things are PARTIALLY effective at protecting the network they are a GREAT DEAL LESS EFFECTIVE, & in my opinion should be avoided as a solution & used as a last resort only.

the DLL does NOT "trash" the hosts file, it does however remove entries referring to cache servers  legitimately at runtime as these would interfere with it's operation, as i pointed out in a previous post, subsequently uninstalling leaves your winmx unpatched, in the same way as installing msn7 over msn 5 & then uninstalling msn leaves you without msn, not with msn5.. this is perfectly normal & expected behaviour, the patch being in my opinion an UPGRADE to your patching system.

As to PG.. maybe there are other blocklist managers that could be configured to update more often.  I just checked the PG pages.. the piblic CVS hasn't been ipdated in over 10 months, and IIRC, even then it was just for a very minor change.  I am informed that it is still being actively deveoped, but that the aithor has chosen not to ipdate the CVS source code until he is ready to release a new version.  When that might be I don't know.

It is still not clear the actual significance of blocklist updating daily or more frequently.  I agree, more frequently would seem to be better, but quantitatively, how much?  Until that information is known, flying flags about the claimed significance of the difference is unconvincing.

As to the hosts file being modified, I don't think it really needs to be done for connectivity.  When I set the read only flag on my hosts file, then installed the v3 DLL, it left the hosts file intact and merely made an exact copy "hosts2" for some reason.  Leaving the hosts file unmodified did not seem to have any effect on my winmx connectivity.  If their is some reason it modifies unprotected hosts files, I suppose they can best answer that.

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Re: WINMX WORLD VS VLADD44
« Reply #104 on: June 14, 2006, 10:23:57 pm »
quote from nobby ........i do agree that what goes with the hosts file is the important issue, a host file method bundled with a fast updating IP blocker running from the WmW blocklist would be very effective, and a good option to the .dll.
absolute rubbish.............and just when i thought you nobby were starting to get with the programme...........
that WONT WORK as its no different to pg2 and as has been proved pg2 coupled with a hosts file does very little...........
and as usuall it all revolves around winmxworlds block ist which no pie maggot contributes too, as usuall pie contribute nothing but want all the work done for them.........well how good would your ip blocker be if winmxworld withdrew there block list, as we are under no obligaqtion to make that avalable to anyone.......i seriously doubt pie would even know where to start to compile there own and is blantanly obvious there all to fucking lazy to get off there asses and do it...........because if they could they already would.........
i agree with you nobby that VIABLE options need to be explored but a hosts file regardless of how its bundelled is simply not acceptable or viable option, end of story...........
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Offline Bearded Blunder

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Re: WINMX WORLD VS VLADD44
« Reply #105 on: June 14, 2006, 10:40:19 pm »
Quote
It is still not clear the actual significance of blocklist updating daily or more frequently.  I agree, more frequently would seem to be better, but quantitatively, how much?  Until that information is known, flying flags about the claimed significance of the difference is unconvincing.
the significance is, 23 hrs59 minutes flooding by the one your update just missed, plus the others that came on in meantime... something that shouldn't need explaining to a schoolboy, never mind someone who claims to understand these things...   

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bughunter

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Re: WINMX WORLD VS VLADD44
« Reply #106 on: June 14, 2006, 11:45:38 pm »
quote from nobby.........If he really had the best interests of WPN at heart, he would stop with the lies and false claims, that tend to draw embarrassing factual refutes.  Giving tacit approval to his claims and tactics, making no attempt to correct his lies.......
show me one just one lie..........nothing i have ever posted regarding pie has been incorrect,,,,,,,,,as no pie maggot has ever shown or demonstrated anything that i or any winmxworld person has ever posted.....was wrong..........
fact pies hosts file is a disaster........no argument
fact vladd has nothing but his own personnal financial interests at heart.......
fact pie have contributed nothing to winmx since the crash...........
fact pie have deliberatly lied denied and decieved every pie user..........
fact you nobby have been at the forefront of this lie deny policy...........
fact only winmxworld has dealt with the fakes the flooding and the dos attacks by riaa
fact only winmxworld has brought the disastrous details of pie to the attention of the community
fact even now despite the over whelming evidence that pie is a absolute piece of shit you still go on promoting it and worse still dont tell users about blocking shame on you
fact pie hasnt done one thing to address the problem of riaa mpaa etc
fact by your continuall postings trying to make the case for a pie hosts file you are still lieing denying and decieving
fact you like gnarly just show your complete ignorance of networking and computing in generall by posting
fact you nobby are the village idiot,  ok gnarly is giving you a run for your money but you still hold the crown ......for now
fact pie vladd and yourselfs are now finished .thou  you have contributed nothing to winmx at least users are now aware of pies bullshit
wanna refute any of those facts nobby..........be interesting to see what crap you come up with...........



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Zepposircarressith

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Re: WINMX WORLD VS VLADD44
« Reply #107 on: June 15, 2006, 04:44:04 am »
          IM SORRY BUT THIS THREAD IS GETTING POINTLESS NOW YOU HAVE ALL STATED UR OPTION AND EVERYTHING WINMX PEEPS WONT GET ALONG WITH VLADD SIMPLE AS THAT YES THEY BOTH HAVE A WAY TO CONNECT TO WINMX THATS A GOOD THING AND YES WE ALL KNOW THE TRUTH BUT SOME PEEPS HAVE TO BACK UP THERE LIES THERES NO SENSE IN POSTING ANYMORE THIS WILL JUST KEEP GOING AND GOING AND NOONE IS GETTING KNOW WHERE AND I WILL STATE MY OPTION I HAVE USED THE PIE PATCH BEFORE I USED TO USE IT FOR AWHILE UNTIL I HAVE LOTS OF PROBLEMS WITH FLOODING AND UDP BOMING ETC ETC EVEN PEER GUADIAN DID NOT HELP ALOT AND AT THE TIME YOU GUYS DID NOT SUGEST USING PEER GUADIAN 2 AND OTHER APPS TO HELP PROTECT MYSELF FROM THIS....

         IT MADE MY CPU GO HIGH MY PG2 GO NUTS MY COMPUTER SLOW DOWN AND TOOK AWHILE TO CONNECT THATS IS MY HONEST OPTION AND IF I HAD SCREEN SHOTS I WOULD LET YOU SEE THEM BUT I DONT SO IM STATING THIS IS MY HONEST AND TRUE OPTION ON THIS THREAD AND NO LIES REASON WHY I SWITCHED TO THE WINMX PATCH CAUSE I HERE BETTER THINGS AND IT HAD A BLOCK LIST ON IT AND I STILL RAN PG2 ON IT AND I HAVE ONLY 1 ISSUE THAT YES I DID GET UDP FLOODED BUT THAT WAS ONLY PROBLEM I HAD AT((((( ONE POINT ))))) I APRECAITE KNOWING THERE ARE STILL TWO WAYS TO CONNECT YOU AS THE USER PICK WHAT U WANT TO CONNECT TO BUT I SUGEST WINMX GROUP PATCH I HAVE HAD NO ISSUES WITH IT I LOVE IT AND I FEEL MORE SAFE..    YES I POSTED MY OPTION AND YES NOW IM CONSIDERED ONE OF THE THEAD PEEPS ON THIS THREAD BUT THIS IS THE     FACT    NOT A LIE.... IF ANYONE LIKES I WILL START A STUDY FOR PIE PATCH USERS AND WINMX USERS ON THERE PATCHES TO SEE WHAT IS THE BEST AND MORE AFFECTED PATCH..

THIS THREAD UPSET ME KNOWING HOW MUCH HATE THERE IS AND YES I DO HATE VLADD PEEPS AND WHAT THEY ((ARENT)) DOING FOR THE NETWORK I FEEL THEY SHOULD PUT MORE EFFORT INTO MAKING ANOTHER PATCH AND HELPING USERS MORE

YOU AS THE WINMX USER DO WHAT YOU FEEL IS RIGHT
ME AS A WINMX USER I SUGEST WINMX PATCH

I AS THE USER WILL HELP ANYWAY I CAN TO TELL PEEPS ABOUT WINMXWORLD AND THE HELP AND THE HONEST GUYS FROM THIS SITE WHO HAD PUT SO MUCH TIME INTO THIS SITE THE PATCH THE USERS THE HELP THE THREADS THE DOWNLOADS EVERYTHING THEY HAVE PUT IN THIS PATCH MEANS ALOT AND IT CAME FROM THERE HEART THEY WANTED TO SEE WINMX COME BACK NOT BECAUSE THEY WANTED CREDIT BECAUSE THEY LIKED THE CLIENT AND LOVED THE NETWORK AND LOVED THE PEEPS FROM IT.. AND THEY WILL CONTINURE TO SUPRIZE US ALL WITH NEW PATCHS NEW FEATURES AND MORE HELP IN THE FURTURE...

BIG THANKS TO       KM   ME HERE  OMEGA  QUICKS  AND THE USERS WINMXWORLD.COM EVERYONE WHO MADE THIS POSSIBLE FOR YOU THE USERS THEY WOULD NOT WANT THIS ANY OTHER WAY SO KEEP DOWNLOADING AND KEEP WINMX ALIVE

PS: WHERE IS MY PUMPKIN IN A CAN????????????



Offline Scyre

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Re: WINMX WORLD VS VLADD44
« Reply #108 on: June 15, 2006, 04:53:19 am »
Ask and you shall receive!
I have your pumpkin in a can right here:                                       :lol:
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Offline chuck

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Re: WINMX WORLD VS VLADD44
« Reply #109 on: June 15, 2006, 04:57:49 am »
 Here is  a new lie being told by the Pie team.


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Offline GhostShip

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Re: WINMX WORLD VS VLADD44
« Reply #110 on: June 15, 2006, 05:17:56 am »
It is a fact we have missed opportunities to settle many of the issues raised in this thread by all becoming entrenched in our positions.

The difference here is our positions and abilities are changing and we are not seeing any help to the network from those operating the host file solution.
We have lost users who have become annoyed with fake files, poor connectivity and in general fighting over why some folks refuse block fake file flooders.

We have a great solution to hand, the old solutions can be packed away in case of emergencies and we can all go on enjoying the newly thriving network, and yes it is thriving once more, new users are reaching the help rooms and leaving satisfied.


I also call upon Sabre to allow user to make a choice of patches by posting a neutral thread telling users what the new patch does compared to the host file solution.

We are open and honest in what we do here and more important, open and accountable to every poster here, lets see the others who are being selfish by not informing users of this new breakthrough called to account for their actions or let them come and defend then, failure to do so will show who the network could do without.

I call upon Sabre who hosts the update bar used in the pie patch to inform users of the new patch and I call upon the vladd44 teams to be honest in giving out advice regarding patches, let the user have a choice, they have brains and no one has any right to mislead them.

For those that are unaware the pie team are in a quandry over having those using their patch hijacked by Sabre, this is the reason for not updating the patch recently even though it now means that the host file users are being given a shoddy deal in connecting, lets do the right thing people and bring this serious issue to the public notice.

Upgrade the patch and put the update bar under control of those who have the networks interest at heart or stop spreading a damaged solution.

For the record Sabre was asked about using the update bar recently but said he is not a memeber of pie and as Nobby showed is not someone the community has any faith in or he in the community, but the fact of the matter is the pie patch should be under pies control not Sabres, Sabre is free to launch his own patch if he wishes to be honest and open with the users.

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Re: WINMX WORLD VS VLADD44
« Reply #111 on: June 15, 2006, 05:52:22 am »
quote from nobby.........If he really had the best interests of WPN at heart, he would stop with the lies and false claims, that tend to draw embarrassing factual refutes.  Giving tacit approval to his claims and tactics, making no attempt to correct his lies.......
show me one just one lie..........nothing i have ever posted regarding pie has been incorrect,,,,,,,,,as no pie maggot has ever shown or demonstrated anything that i or any winmxworld person has ever posted.....was wrong..........
fact pies hosts file is a disaster........no argument
fact vladd has nothing but his own personnal financial interests at heart.......
fact pie have contributed nothing to winmx since the crash...........
fact pie have deliberatly lied denied and decieved every pie user..........
fact you nobby have been at the forefront of this lie deny policy...........
fact only winmxworld has dealt with the fakes the flooding and the dos attacks by riaa
fact only winmxworld has brought the disastrous details of pie to the attention of the community
fact even now despite the over whelming evidence that pie is a absolute piece of shit you still go on promoting it and worse still dont tell users about blocking shame on you
fact pie hasnt done one thing to address the problem of riaa mpaa etc
fact by your continuall postings trying to make the case for a pie hosts file you are still lieing denying and decieving
fact you like gnarly just show your complete ignorance of networking and computing in generall by posting
fact you nobby are the village idiot,  ok gnarly is giving you a run for your money but you still hold the crown ......for now
fact pie vladd and yourselfs are now finished .thou  you have contributed nothing to winmx at least users are now aware of pies bullshit
wanna refute any of those facts nobby..........be interesting to see what crap you come up with...........



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Bug, back to true form and as usual making an ass of yourself, please if your gonna try quoting me, at least differenciate between me and Gnarly, we are not the same person, and i didnt say what you claim i did..............idiot.

Offline GnarlySnarly

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Re: WINMX WORLD VS VLADD44
« Reply #112 on: June 15, 2006, 04:11:07 pm »
Ask and you shall receive!
I have your pumpkin in a can right here:                                       :lol:

erm... isn't that a pumpkin ON a can?


Offline Scyre

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Re: WINMX WORLD VS VLADD44
« Reply #113 on: June 15, 2006, 06:34:05 pm »
This is exactly why no one trusts Vladd or the pie team:

https://forum.winmxworld.com/index.php?topic=2590.0.html

Notice my post is missing here:
http://www.vladd44.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?t=7911
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Offline chuck

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Re: WINMX WORLD VS VLADD44
« Reply #114 on: June 15, 2006, 06:47:57 pm »
 Ive been saying that for years. Also he has told others to post under fake names to keep the forum moving so people will think the forum is more active. Its easy to answer a question when its your own question. Id bet  one third of the new members on his forum are old members to keep his member list up. Vladd  and his forum have become a nonplayer in the P2P world and such actions as this is the cause.
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bughunter

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Re: WINMX WORLD VS VLADD44
« Reply #115 on: June 16, 2006, 04:04:07 am »
typical of you nobby lie deny decieve ........standard pie maggot tactics when faced with the truth.........
you nobby have clearly forgotten your own postings in the cesspool and here..........
as usuall you refuse to accept your responsibilty in the single biggest attempt at destroying winmx that has ever occurred...........
and no i didnt get you and gnarly mixed up .....you still hold the crown for being the village idiot,just gnarly is giving you a run for your money..........
reality is now the community know what part you and pie have played in the fake files........udp flooding.........and ip harvesting going on in this network by riaa.........and just like your caches have fallen over   (surprise  surprise   and these morons think they can prop up winmx lmfao yea right ) your user base is dissappearing faster then a ice cube in the desert..........
have a nice day nobby.....................



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Re: WINMX WORLD VS VLADD44
« Reply #116 on: June 16, 2006, 09:53:22 am »
lol bug, you sound like a confused little boy.....

Mick832

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Re: WINMX WORLD VS VLADD44
« Reply #117 on: June 16, 2006, 12:31:09 pm »

I call upon Sabre who hosts the update bar used in the pie patch to inform users of the new patch and I call upon the vladd44 teams to be honest in giving out advice regarding patches, let the user have a choice, they have brains and no one has any right to mislead them.

For the record Sabre was asked about using the update bar recently but said he is not a memeber of pie and as Nobby showed is not someone the community has any faith in or he in the community, but the fact of the matter is the pie patch should be under pies control not Sabres, Sabre is free to launch his own patch if he wishes to be honest and open with the users.


Where it used to say "Please Be Patient" it is now saying "Recommended Pie Patch - Click here to Update!!!" on a friends WinMX.

Mick832

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Re: WINMX WORLD VS VLADD44
« Reply #118 on: June 16, 2006, 12:44:04 pm »
And I just checked on my wife's PC, which has not been used for 2 weeks, and where it used to say "Patch Operational" it directs her to get 3.0 patch here.


KM

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Re: WINMX WORLD VS VLADD44
« Reply #119 on: June 16, 2006, 01:05:03 pm »
"Patch Operational" means you have (to quote the pie maggots) "the right patch", if it says "Please Be Patient" it means you have (again quoting them) "the wrong patch", if it says anything else it means you are outdated, if it says anything except "Patch Operational" then you need to get the latest patch from https://www.winmxgroup.com/

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