More of Vladd's "Free Speech"

[FedUpWithDrama]

What the hell is this? Microsoft vs IBM? Fighting over users? With both sides wanting a monopoly and doing anything they can to win.

I got news for you, KM. You are not Microsoft and your software isn't Windows. Now get over it and stop fighting about who has a better patch. And stop trying to cram yours down people's throats.

Fact 1: this site supports the dll
Fact 2: Vladd's site supports PIE
Fact 3: People come to vladd's rooms and site looking for an answer and will get the one that vladd officially supports which is pie
Fact 4: people coming here will get what you support and not pie


and people from vladd's room should send all dll users to you so you can provide tech support for your product yourself, when they have problems with it (guess what. they do)

The crap you guys are pulling is equal to Mcafee spamming Norton forums advertising how "Mcafee got rid of my virus and you should go here and get it (url)"

Of course that would get deleted. it's spam.

Maybe you should buy a google ad and advertise on vladd's site if you have a need to advertise your product there so badly.

[GhostShip]

If you can provide evidence of "you guys" implying this site and its operators spamming vladds site please do so.

We await your links or screenshots supporting your allegation.

[KM]

Fact 3: People come to vladd's rooms and site looking for an answer and will get the one that vladd officially supports which is pie

no, they get an answer of "winmx is meant to be that crap, live with it or go fuck off to another p2p network" (although not in those exact words... that i've seen anyway)

and people from vladd's room should send all dll users to you so you can provide tech support for your product yourself, when they have problems with it (guess what. they do)

when was this? did i miss someone in vladds room accidentally sending someone for help? all I've ever seen are things like "your router isn't configured correctly? right, the fix is to remove the patch and start flooding the network, oh and then configure your router - and tell everyone how your helping to flood was the fix and not the router configuration bit which was a minor detail" (not exact words of course, they drag it out over 7 or 8 re-installs of winmx scratching their heads trying to figure out what could possibly cause uploads to fail before someone points out it was the same thing as the last person to go in there...)

The crap you guys are pulling is equal to Mcafee spamming Norton forums advertising how "Mcafee got rid of my virus and you should go here and get it (url)"

Of course that would get deleted. it's spam.

see ghosts post... the threads they are deleting are vladd users with things like "help it's not connecting" followed by "don't worry, i found a way to fix it" - the result? love deletes it and replaces it with "you lier, what you claimed is bullshit, the only way to use winmx is with a hosts file" (again not those exact words, that i've seen)

Maybe you should buy a google ad and advertise on vladd's site if you have a need to advertise your product there so badly.

did you not see it? oh, i forgot... it was censored, he can sure as hell remove a winmxgroup banner from his site pretty damn quickly when it's pointed out, yet he claims he can't do anything about the scam sites... oh right, of course... that's about as true as the rest of the claims...

[Scyre]

Another example of the censoring of posts!

This Developer was trying to get others to know his product would not help block flooders reliably...and look at the crap he had to go through to let the users know!

When he tried to refer people to winmxgroup.com as a more reliable means to block the fake files, HIS POSTS WERE ALSO REMOVED!

This is sad, considering he was trying to HELP the users....a word the pie junkies don't understand

[KM]

also trying to claim peer guardian as an effective solution...

[Neutron]

All they care about is that the users use their text file to connect and no other patch, no matter what the consequences are.
I don't really see why they have such a problem of letting their users know about the winmxgroup patch that simply does everything needed without all the extra cluttering. Those who already got the winmxgroup patch are told to downgrade to pie.

The only reason we want users on the winmxgroup patch is that the pie patch damages the network. No blocking, no filtering. it takes ages for users to connect, outdated patches don't connect at all. It makes users fed up with MX and they leave, just because the pie team won't let them know about the winmxgroup patch.
Well done pie team, you're doing such a great job at saving the network.
You are bringing your users into all this drama, we are simply giving them a working patch. And not only that, we are also giving them a patch that PROTECTS THE NETWORK...
I wish you did the same, and I'd be happy to see 2 teams working seperately on keeping the network alive. But the truth is that you are killing the network. Each unprotected user you let on the network damages the network. Each user you make leave MX because they aren't satisfied with your patch, and were never told the patch they really want exists, is a loss to the population of the WinMX network. The MX population decreases every day just because of you. I hope that you sooner or later will come up with a solution that is user friendly, stable and protects the network at the same time.

[..Ñøßߥ..]

also trying to claim peer guardian as an effective solution...

Peer Guardian is the MOST effective option for those not using your patch, and i will not recommend your patch and allow you to monopolise Winmx (for many reasons, not all derogitory of KM), i would rather see PG missing some of the flooders than you or anyone else taking total control. You had the chance to give me another option KM you chose not to, accept the result of this choice. In the meantime i will continue to search for a better option than PG or your monopoly.

[GhostShip]

Nobby please listen to what you have just posted.

Your blaming KM for providing a successful solution that is made up of many parts, connection, floooder blocking,fake filtering.

Can you or pie claim to have made any headway on any of theses issues ?

It has been a long time now and offers where made to the pie team to help and join in time and again, sincere offers that where thrown back into the faces of those making the offers and just plain ignored in some cases, you more than anyone know this is the truth of the matter.

Pie and yourself are best tasked to providing healthy balanced competition, if you have misgiving about KM,s then make a better solution, I went myself to vladds room to try to encourage pie members to get to work on some forward looking schemes I outlined, I shall post the log if you wish , I was abused and kicked multiple times, can you claim the same in a winmxworld controlled room ? Of course not .

If pie wish to continue offering a solution then perhaps now is the time to actually get one together.
KM is more than happy to continue improving his work and like him or not, its the best solution so far, vladd and yourself have both said " let the best patch win", I think you should stand by your own words.

[bughunter]

tell me again why it is we let morons like L.G. post here when nothing but sh**t comes spewing out of there mouths.........
you claim km is doing this and doing that..........where is the evidence, the killer blow..........oh thats right pie maggots have none...........
its easier to lie deny decieve then to produce one scrape of evidence to support there accusations........
oh thats right un like the pie maggot forum we dont delete posts like them.......even when clearly written by a no body who has not the slightest idea of what she is saying...........
there is a old saying L.G. that its better to say nothing and let people think your a fool ....then to actually open your mouth and confirm it.........
so run alot back to your maggot patch.........and let those that know what there doing get on with it...........

reality is you maggots were advised long ago about the ip changes  YOU CHOOSE TO IGNORE THEM.......or is loves post on the maggot forum a lie.................

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tell me again why it is we let morons like bughunter aka ice post here when nothing but sh**t comes spewing out of there mouths


see that, change a few words around and it suits you so well ice   try to keep on task instead of talkin s**t...it only makes you look as stupid as you are    

FYI bug aka ice - the topic here is Vladd's free speech, but this site is no better, considering KM edited a post of mine to tell a flat out lie

have a great day, this topic has been drilled into the ground

[Scyre]

Translation:

"I am grabbing at straws and since I can't really claim you guys censor anything, and I am powerless to hide anything here, I will make a big deal out of something KM told me he would do to my post, and he wrote all over the place he did do, and then try to act like it is just as bad as our quest to lie to the public on our own site. And since I am too dumb to really make any point anyway, I will just claim that it is of no importance to me and try to walk away with a little of my tattered dignity left."

[..Ñøßߥ..]

Nobby please listen to what you have just posted.

Your blaming KM for providing a successful solution that is made up of many parts, connection, floooder blocking,fake filtering.

Can you or pie claim to have made any headway on any of theses issues ?

It has been a long time now and offers where made to the pie team to help and join in time and again, sincere offers that where thrown back into the faces of those making the offers and just plain ignored in some cases, you more than anyone know this is the truth of the matter.

Pie and yourself are best tasked to providing healthy balanced competition, if you have misgiving about KM,s then make a better solution, I went myself to vladds room to try to encourage pie members to get to work on some forward looking schemes I outlined, I shall post the log if you wish , I was abused and kicked multiple times, can you claim the same in a winmxworld controlled room ? Of course not .

If pie wish to continue offering a solution then perhaps now is the time to actually get one together.
KM is more than happy to continue improving his work and like him or not, its the best solution so far, vladd and yourself have both said " let the best patch win", I think you should stand by your own words.

As you well know Ghost i am doing what i can, and i am frustrated at the current situation too, as for myself or Vladd saying "let the best patch win" thats not the full truth, what the quote acutally was, was "let the best open source patch win" i still have the log if you want it   You can make what claims you like for KMs patch, im sure its very good, but it does not change my opinion that a single method is not the best way for winmx.

[KM]

then provide something else as good, pie repeatedly state that people are obligated to do things like that, except you perhaps? i am obligated to do things for you rather than a case of i am donating my time and money freely... right... where is your donation of time to make a patch, or money to run it all?

[Scyre]

Nobby to be honest the only reason the pie patch is open source is because it is a couple of lines of a text file...

I am sure you can appreciate the fact that if the dll were open source right now that there would be a thousand people using it to really do some damage to the network. I mean really...think about how quickly we would see a rash of alternate dlls that actually WERE as damaging as everyone has been claiming about KM's...Those of us who know how hard he worked and everything going into making it a continually effective tool to block fakes and flooders know better than all that nonsense, but there are poeple who actually would take that opportunity and you know that's the truth..

Be Good,
Scyre

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I love the patch winmxgroup has I never leave home now without it!!!!  My CPU usage went from 80 - 90 % down to like  2 - 4 % with that new patch from winmxgroup!!!
Way ta go guys!!!!!!!!
Keep up the great work!!!!

[Neutron]

The pie patch is NOT open source. I have yet to see the source of the pie automatic installer, if you're going to claim the pie patch is open source, release the source code of the installer.. you can't say it's open source just because you have the manual hosts file there, the installer is not open source. An installer might be just as damaging as a dll, so that's just a sorry excuse to use the pie patch instead of the dll. For those who don't trust the dll, go with pie. But don't suggest pie for users who are already using the dll and have it working for them.

May I ask why the installer is 202KB, when the text lines are just a few bytes?

[GhostShip]

After reading a collection of half truths published by Gemini on vladds site I thought you would all like to see why Gem does not like us either.
The second pic features a confused winmx wannabe-user

[bughunter]

ROFL..............just another PIE scam to MAKE users PAY for winmx.............
and people wonder why we say all vladd and gem care about is there bank balance.............
websites masqurading as winmx help ,were there clear intention is to make money from users.........ARE A FUCKING DISGRACE..............
and pie would have users believe were the bad guys...............
todate winmxworld/group are the ONLY ones to address the serious issue of riaa and fakes on the network..........
only winmxworld has a blocklist that is above repute, even pie ( when they can get around to advising users) recommend winmxworlds blocklist for use with pg2...........
notice i have not inclueded anything that pie does that helps users and the network.........simple...........because pie do NOTHING for users or the network that is positive..........they do plenty that is destructive...........their half pied attempt at splittin the wpn backfired when thousands of innocent users were denied connection...........and then told it was all km,s fault..............hell lets just blame km for everything including global warming,................even love the site admin for vladd admitted she KNEW about km revoling ip,s and that WASNT a prob.........pie only fell off line because rock had to reinstall or fix his server leavin only lep to carry the load..........seems pie cant even get their lies right these days...............

winmx first.........

dirty money grabbing low lifes last..................( take note vladd and gem )

[..Ñøßߥ..]

The pie patch is NOT open source. I have yet to see the source of the pie automatic installer

And thats the important point, users have the choice to manually install if they wish.........thanks Neutron for helping me show that.

[chuck]

 The important point is that Pie  does not block fake files and for 3 days didn't work While the DILL blocks fake files and never went down.

 People want a program that works blocking fake files and is stable ( That connects when they want not haveing to wait 3 days for someone to change a few ip's in a host file).

 I and many others could care less if it has a manual install or not if its not stable.

 You have said that Pie and PeerGuardian can not block files as well as the DILL. And you were a pie team member at one time!

 RobinHood the maker of Sherwood fakefile flood blocker said,Using Sherwood[or PeerGuardian] to block the flooders and Windows host file [MxPie] to access the Winmx Network is no longer a viable option.
The corporate fakefile flooding continues to disrupt the the network worse than ever on Winmx. Fullproof protection from flooding and access to the the Winmx Network is available with the new winmxworld/winmxgroup patch.

 What more can be said? Nothing but OOOOOOOOOOOOOOo Km is a bad person or Pie can be manually installed.

 I have to ask are you and the pie team still useing Windows 98? You all seem to like holding on to things that are out dated.

 Its been 10 months since Winmx servers were taken off line and still the only reason you can come up with to not use the DILL is KM is a bad bad man. LOL thats so 3rd grade.

 10 months and the only patch that hasnt had any down time is the dill.

 10 months and the only patch that stops fake files is the DILL.

 10 months and when rock takes his server off line for updates Pie does not have servers to take up their own load?

 10 months and the only thing you can say good about pie is that you can manually install?

 Come on all this is stupid face it the DILL works better than pie thats what everyone is saying.

 I never thought all the Vladd and pie are pushing pie so hard becouse of how much money they make off google ad's was true. But why would someone push so hard for something that does so little?